Thread: Investigators fail to identify killers of foreign journalists

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

As they say: "Don't go away mad, just go away."

I also find it (as RS points out) more than just a little amusing that you fly into hissy fits when we point out your selective postings give away your claim at neutrality.

Selective postings? Such as? Evidence for such a claim?

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Well, one thing is for sure, there's no danger of you arguing for your intellectual superiority with such posts as the one above as evidence...

Now there you go -- pouting again. You better have that checked out - seriously, mate. Don't self-medicate, seek help from a peer. The American Psycholgical Association can help you find one.. check their Website (oh, you already know it)

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

As they say: "Don't go away mad, just go away."

I also find it (as RS points out) more than just a little amusing that you fly into hissy fits when we point out your selective postings give away your claim at neutrality.

Selective postings? Such as? Evidence for such a claim?

I thought you were out of the political debate and just sticking to cut and paste articles here SD?

Arr well... looks like its on again.
"You are what you say"... , Well sort of, that is unless you say what you dont really mean, if you catch my drift there old mate?

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Well, one thing is for sure, there's no danger of you arguing for your intellectual superiority with such posts as the one above as evidence...

Now there you go -- pouting again. You better have that checked out - seriously, mate. Don't self-medicate, seek help from a peer. The American Psycholgical Association can help you find one.. check their Website (oh, you already know it)

But our SD is a forensic psychologist and he can see into your mind with his superior training and intellect.
Ain't the Internet wonderful? You can be anything you want to be and remain completely anonymous at the same time.
BTW, I am actually an astro physicist pretending to be an ordinary person.

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

As they say: "Don't go away mad, just go away."

I also find it (as RS points out) more than just a little amusing that you fly into hissy fits when we point out your selective postings give away your claim at neutrality.

Selective postings? Such as? Evidence for such a claim?

I thought you were out of the political debate and just sticking to cut and paste articles here SD?

Arr well... looks like its on again.
"You are what you say"... , Well sort of, that is unless you say what you dont really mean, if you catch my drift there old mate?

Ummm, this is a political debate? You might want to check the definitions of those words panda.

It seems to me it is more a circle jerk for the red shirt fan club.

I think I predicted this in an earlier post of mine....!

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Well, one thing is for sure, there's no danger of you arguing for your intellectual superiority with such posts as the one above as evidence...

Now there you go -- pouting again. You better have that checked out - seriously, mate. Don't self-medicate, seek help from a peer. The American Psycholgical Association can help you find one.. check their Website (oh, you already know it)

But our SD is a forensic psychologist and he can see into your mind with his superior training and intellect.
Ain't the Internet wonderful? You can be anything you want to be and remain completely anonymous at the same time.
BTW, I am actually an astro physicist pretending to be an ordinary person.

Wow, it's just like being at school again....

Predicting the future too! Quite an achievement.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Well, one thing is for sure, there's no danger of you arguing for your intellectual superiority with such posts as the one above as evidence...

Now there you go -- pouting again. You better have that checked out - seriously, mate. Don't self-medicate, seek help from a peer. The American Psycholgical Association can help you find one.. check their Website (oh, you already know it)

But our SD is a forensic psychologist and he can see into your mind with his superior training and intellect.
Ain't the Internet wonderful? You can be anything you want to be and remain completely anonymous at the same time.
BTW, I am actually an astro physicist pretending to be an ordinary person.

Wow, it's just like being at school again....

What do you mean --"again".

This is so funny.. hook, line, sinker.

Originally Posted by Panda

Predicting the future too! Quite an achievement.

From my earlier post in this thread....

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I'm not going to go into a lengthy piece of prose, about why people exhibit bias, although a quick answer would be that bias exists as a result of opinions formed from experiences. Your bias (and taking a side means you are biased, surely you know that) affects every opinion you have. It is unavoidable. You will filter incoming stimulus as a consequence. Again, unavoidable. If the information/stimulus agrees with your preconceived notions, a positive response will ensue. If it is contrary to your opinion you will discard it, or react negatively. Depending upon the strength of the negative stimulus your response will vary. Several pieces of information coming at you over a period of time, that agree with your formed view, will strengthen your opinion and therefore your bias. Once this is set it is usually difficult to undo.

A significant failure in your belief system is required to alter your opinion. Depending upon the importance of the opinion to you personally, as in how much it emotionally affects you, or how much you have invested in it, the stimulus needed to change your mind will need to be of equal or greater size. People just don't change that easily. Several conflicting instances of contrary information may do so as well, but they need to be consistent and regular and over a lengthy period of time.

If you understand this, you'll grasp a lot about why people do the things they do.

People are also effectively sheep. They herd together, form gangs, by doing so they feel some justification (strength in numbers!). Look around you at society, such things as football, religion and politics prove it. You can witness this on a very small scale (down the pub) right up to global movements. It exists on this forum. I wonder if you know where and how it manifests...?

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

This is so funny.. hook, line, sinker.

Hook, line and sinker, as in you've completely failed to answer your point that you made about my so called selective posting?

I'm still waiting for the evidence....

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I'm still waiting for the evidence....

Yes sir Mr Judge.

Who the fcuk do you think you are there SD? The rest of the world doesnt serve you mate. If you want to get involved in these debates you got to put your own case up for examination rather than just demanding others to prove theirs. So far you aint been doing so well there.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by Panda

Predicting the future too! Quite an achievement.

From my earlier post in this thread....

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I'm not going to go into a lengthy piece of prose, about why people exhibit bias, although a quick answer would be that bias exists as a result of opinions formed from experiences. Your bias (and taking a side means you are biased, surely you know that) affects every opinion you have. It is unavoidable. You will filter incoming stimulus as a consequence. Again, unavoidable. If the information/stimulus agrees with your preconceived notions, a positive response will ensue. If it is contrary to your opinion you will discard it, or react negatively. Depending upon the strength of the negative stimulus your response will vary. Several pieces of information coming at you over a period of time, that agree with your formed view, will strengthen your opinion and therefore your bias. Once this is set it is usually difficult to undo.

A significant failure in your belief system is required to alter your opinion. Depending upon the importance of the opinion to you personally, as in how much it emotionally affects you, or how much you have invested in it, the stimulus needed to change your mind will need to be of equal or greater size. People just don't change that easily. Several conflicting instances of contrary information may do so as well, but they need to be consistent and regular and over a lengthy period of time.

If you understand this, you'll grasp a lot about why people do the things they do.

People are also effectively sheep. They herd together, form gangs, by doing so they feel some justification (strength in numbers!). Look around you at society, such things as football, religion and politics prove it. You can witness this on a very small scale (down the pub) right up to global movements. It exists on this forum. I wonder if you know where and how it manifests...?

Hmmm.. some very impressive thoughts there SD. Pity they dont relate much to the discussion here. Though I am sure it all makes perfect sense to you.

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Well, one thing is for sure, there's no danger of you arguing for your intellectual superiority with such posts as the one above as evidence...

Now there you go -- pouting again. You better have that checked out - seriously, mate. Don't self-medicate, seek help from a peer. The American Psycholgical Association can help you find one.. check their Website (oh, you already know it)

But our SD is a forensic psychologist and he can see into your mind with his superior training and intellect.
Ain't the Internet wonderful? You can be anything you want to be and remain completely anonymous at the same time.
BTW, I am actually an astro physicist pretending to be an ordinary person.

This interesting reference towards the discipline of forensic psychology and how such a pertinent Occidental model could in any way be used to analyze and project theories toward cultures of a set antithesis. It doesn't mix....

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I'm still waiting for the evidence....

Yes sir Mr Judge.

Who the fcuk do you think you are there SD? The rest of the world doesnt serve you mate. If you want to get involved in these debates you got to put your own case up for examination rather than just demanding others to prove theirs. So far you aint been doing so well there.

I've stated my case quite clearly, perhaps it is a fault of yours that you are incapable of reading between the lines. Hardly surprising, seeing as you're not exactly the sharpest tool in the box...

I post a huge amount of material that is aligned to your stated position.

You have apparently failed to grasp why that is.

Quite frankly I'm rather surprised you are anserine as you appear to be....But it appears you are in fine company

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by Panda

Predicting the future too! Quite an achievement.

From my earlier post in this thread....

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I'm not going to go into a lengthy piece of prose, about why people exhibit bias, although a quick answer would be that bias exists as a result of opinions formed from experiences. Your bias (and taking a side means you are biased, surely you know that) affects every opinion you have. It is unavoidable. You will filter incoming stimulus as a consequence. Again, unavoidable. If the information/stimulus agrees with your preconceived notions, a positive response will ensue. If it is contrary to your opinion you will discard it, or react negatively. Depending upon the strength of the negative stimulus your response will vary. Several pieces of information coming at you over a period of time, that agree with your formed view, will strengthen your opinion and therefore your bias. Once this is set it is usually difficult to undo.

A significant failure in your belief system is required to alter your opinion. Depending upon the importance of the opinion to you personally, as in how much it emotionally affects you, or how much you have invested in it, the stimulus needed to change your mind will need to be of equal or greater size. People just don't change that easily. Several conflicting instances of contrary information may do so as well, but they need to be consistent and regular and over a lengthy period of time.

If you understand this, you'll grasp a lot about why people do the things they do.

People are also effectively sheep. They herd together, form gangs, by doing so they feel some justification (strength in numbers!). Look around you at society, such things as football, religion and politics prove it. You can witness this on a very small scale (down the pub) right up to global movements. It exists on this forum. I wonder if you know where and how it manifests...?

Hmmm.. some very impressive thoughts there SD. Pity they dont relate much to the discussion here. Though I am sure it all makes perfect sense to you.

And I answered your point with aplomb. Amusingly you failed to acknowledge that....

It's very funny panda. You like to state how you are one of the red faction, a supporter of high ideals, you want freedom and democracy for the downtrodden and those kind of wonderful things, but as a person you are really quite unpleasant. Somewhat of a contradiction in there somewhere....

I find it most interesting. Bitterness and resentment easily voiced, all the while espousing an ethical stance here and sympathy for those who have, through no fault of their own, been born into poverty and a lack of opportunity. Methinks you have some complex unresolved "issues" from your earlier days....you don't like authority or those who are in superior positions to your own.

There's a "split-off" element to you. Something you are unaware of.

You reveal this by your targeting of me. Nothing happens by accident. Actually you have no real reason for attacking me at this time, you just joined in the circle jerk (see my previous point).

Understand that I'm completely unbothered by what you or the others of the red shirt myopic brigade try to do. It appears you failed to learn this from previous run-ins with me.

I've done nothing wrong. I have nothing to answer for. I will continue doing what I do.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Seeing Your Defensive Character

ByDr. Peter James

The defensive barrier that you have built for your own protection is quite justified in some respects, especially if the barrier is quite new to you. Nevertheless, it will be of no real use if it is to protect your image from one or more people that have hurt you in your past and the chances are fairly high that most of these people in your past are probably only bad memories.

Now it is time for the barrier building to stop and you may well find that in some cases barriers can even be lowered; if the defensive stance that you are taking is old, then you will find that the barrier should no longer have a constructive role to play in your everyday life.

You are probably now at the stage in your life where you are being over defensive for no valid reason at all, so try your best and relax for a little while. The shock of being treated properly by other people may be hard to accept at this time and its effect on you can be quite a severe experience for you. However, as you learn to let go of past worries, do not be bothered about it too much, it is quite safe for you to believe that these acts of genuine kindness are happening to you at this time. So take the offer of friendship that is before you now and lower your guard a bit, you will find that you will not regret it, as you now deserve a better life and a fresh break from the past. (con't - follow the above link)

Keep it up TS.

Comedy gold.

^ Oh and btw, TS, do let me know when you find evidence of my "selective posting"

Still waiting...

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/poli...-red-shirt-ban

It's time to 'Man Up' over dispersal

• Published: 21/11/2010 at 12:00 AM
• Newspaper section: News

Six months on, the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) released autopsy results for 18 of the 89 people who lost their lives during the April and May uprising.

Twelve deaths were blamed on the red shirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD). The six people who died in Wat Pathum Wanaram? The DSI said something to the effect of: well, maybe, just maybe three of these deaths might have been the result of actions by security forces. But we don't know. We can't tell.

Yeah. Sure. As for the rest? Who knows.

But wait, everyone knows. Those of us who have seen video clips of security troops firing at the red shirt rebels know. Reporters on the ground and in the battles, amid the bullets, the rockets and the dead bodies know.

A number of the rebels died because, simply put, they were shot by security forces. But six months on, and the DSI is still skirting the truth and puts the blame only on one side, undoubtedly under the directive of the ''powers-that-be''.

Why doesn't the government simply ''man up''?

The calculated uprising and illegal occupation of Ratchaprasong was in disregard of the rule of law and democratic values. The open battles in the streets, the bombings and the shootings, the blood, the chaos and the anarchy were criminal acts that needed to be dealt with.

The UDD refused a peaceful and democratic compromise of a general election in November. They refused democracy. They instead chose anarchy.

It was a violent uprising. It was an open rebellion. In the eyes of the law in most countries, it would be considered criminal.

Security forces went in to make arrests. The red shirts used force to resist them. Violence broke out. Open battle. People ended up dead, many of them shot by security forces. They reaped what they sowed, and I would say the same regardless of shirt colour.

It was sad. It was unfortunate. It was tragic. We all should sympathise and do what we can for the families of those who were killed _ innocent bystanders, security forces or red shirts, no matter which side they were on.

But here's the point I would like to express to Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban, DSI chief Tharit Pengdit and the army brass: ''You did it. Man up and own up to it.''
Stop the whitewashing and the half-baked stories. It's nauseating. Girl scouts have more conviction than the leaders of this country.

Man up and take the responsibility for it. Be accountable. Because guess what? What you did _ unfortunate and tragic as it may have been _ was the legal and right thing to do in preserving order and the rule of law.

The red shirts and their defenders in their hypocritical self-righteousness can whine and cry about it all they want. I don't expect much from them. But I expect much more from the government of this country.

And that expectation is nothing more than to simply ''man up'', be responsible and accountable. Have some conviction in what you do.

How can there be truth and reconciliation when the leaders are without conviction and without accountability? It's time for Prime Minister Abhisit to stand up in front of the people _ all 67.3 million of us _ and put the burden on his shoulders and carry the nation forward.

Let's change gears.

An emergency 873 million baht budget has been granted to eight provinces. The sum is to relieve the effects of the drought in June. Newin Chidchob's stronghold of Buri Ram will receive 486 million baht. That's 55% of the entire budget. Coming in at a distant second is Chiang Rai, with 107 million baht.

Coalition partners bickering? Of course, there are and will always be plenty of that. Coalition government falling apart? Yeah, right. Never, not so long as key partners are rolling in the money. Never, not so long as prominent individuals have been bought and paid for.

And it all comes at the taxpayers' expense. All to keep the Democrat-led government intact and in power.

Let's change gears.

It has been approved. In the southern stronghold of the Democrat Party, rubber plantations affected by flooding will be compensated at 17,007 baht per rai.

Meanwhile, the planned 2,000 baht to 4,000 baht per rai to compensate farmers in the North and Northeast _ both red shirt strongholds _ have not been approved. These provinces suffered from floods before those in the South.

Argument: The prime minister said that unlike rice and vegetables, rubber takes five-to-seven years to plant and harvest. Therefore the budget for the southern provinces must come first and be larger.

Counter argument: Fruit crops upcountry such as durian also take years to harvest, just like rubber.

Explanation: In actual fact, rubber plantations will be compensated at only 6,007 baht per rai. The rest comes from a funding scheme by the Office of the Rubber Replanting Aid Fund already in place to help rubber farmers.

Rebut: The funding scheme was set when rubber was 18 baht per kilogram. These days rubber is over 100 baht per kilogram. Why is the funding scheme still in place?
Double standard?

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, take those three stories to heart.

The Democrat-led government isn't interested in truth and reconciliation. The Democrat-led government doesn't care to tackle the double standards that exist in Thai society. The Democrat-led government isn't fulfilling its promise of cleaning up corruption in the country's politics.

The only thing the Democrat-led government is keen on is keeping the coalition intact and the power in its hands.

Die-hard fans of Prime Minister Abhisit will always argue that he's not responsible for everything. Die-hard fans don't know a thing about the responsibility of leadership. The prime minister is responsible and accountable for everything under his watch. That's why he's the prime minister. If he can't be responsible and accountable for all Thais, then let someone else do the job.

How will such deeds ever achieve reconciliation? How will such an attitude foster the democratic ideal of equality under the law? How will such behavior ever legitimise the mandate of the Democrat-led government as the rightful government of all Thais?

It won't. It won't. And it won't.

The world isn't full of roses, but that doesn't mean it should be full of lies.

Dear government: You promise to clean up corruption; do it. You promise to get rid of double standards; get rid of them. You forcefully put down a violent rebellion; admit to it.

Otherwise, step aside and let someone else do the job.

Contact Voranai Vanijaka by email via voranaiv[at]bangkokpost.co.th.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Why doesn't the government simply ''man up''?

too deep into the lie to back out without a HUGE loss of face .

"Dear government: You promise to clean up corruption; do it. You promise to get rid of double standards; get rid of them. You forcefully put down a violent rebellion; admit to it."

Says it all.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Voranai Vanijaka

This guy is a national treasure, because he is about the only honest reporter in the Bangkok media.
I'm actually surprised he still has a job. Is his daddy rich?

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Says it all.

well it could ,

IF

the government was actually running the country .