Thread: Investigators fail to identify killers of foreign journalists

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Denial of what???????????

Your bias.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

"I'm a forum poster and I'm in denial of my bias".

Now there's a start.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I obviously need the help....

You say you are a shrink so you may only need a mirror.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Really, think about what you are writing, it is sooooooo bizarre!

What is so bizarre about commenting on your bias in what you write.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Why would I be in denial of my postings? Why??????????

Something you should ask yourself.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

For what possible reason?

Other then what you write, I don't know you from a bar of soap. I don't really care about the motives behind what you post.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Come on...humour me....

Why bother?

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by Butterfly

SD, why do you even bother talking to Red nutters who only interact with slagdogs and petty criminals

and vote BNP of course, what else

I'm interested in their mindset. I'm curious. I also like to dispel a few myths a long the way .

Ah the shrink shite again.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Just how do such people arrive at the conclusions they do?

You could start by reading what you are writing.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

It is an ongoing piece of research.

And again......

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Thus far the results are inconclusive, as it appears they are unaware of why they think the way they do....( I ask for credible rationalisations, I get name calling...).

I did not call you any name other then SD. I just called out your bias in posting, and took a guess at what colours are in your wardrobe. You don't have to be so defensive.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

^^ It happens in other 'democracies' too......

The Sun newspaper ( a Murdoch owned paper) famously credits itself with 'advising' its readership on who to vote for...they claim to have been a massive influence in the past, on who was elected in the UK. English politicians have also courted them for that very reason.

The various interested parties (read; religious groups) in the US elections also 'advise' (but it is in effect an order) their flock on who they should vote for.....Murdoch and his financial support of the republican party is also a well known example of how things work....he uses the media there too, to suggest, cajole, or tell others on how to behave.

People are sheep.

Ah, democracy...it is lovely isn't it...

Here it is blatant. In the west it is sophisticated. The result is the same.

No direct orders in the military are vastly different then listening to what is advised in a newspaper etc. With the advice in the newspapers or by other groups there is no consquences if you are found out voting the other way. You can totally disregard it. For most people who do not have a pre-determined voting patern, then they can take advice from other sources to form their own view on who to vote for. The sheep you speak of have only voted for one party in their lives and most likely it is the same for their parents. Their vote does not change with the environment around them.

Originally Posted by DroversDog

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by Butterfly

SD, why do you even bother talking to Red nutters who only interact with slagdogs and petty criminals

and vote BNP of course, what else

I'm interested in their mindset. I'm curious. I also like to dispel a few myths a long the way .

Ah the shrink shite again.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Just how do such people arrive at the conclusions they do?

You could start by reading what you are writing.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

It is an ongoing piece of research.

And again......

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Thus far the results are inconclusive, as it appears they are unaware of why they think the way they do....( I ask for credible rationalisations, I get name calling...).

I did not call you any name other then SD. I just called out your bias in posting, and took a guess at what colours are in your wardrobe. You don't have to be so defensive.

See, there ya go again, with that misinterpretation stuff.....

It's odd.

Trust me...it's odd.

I was just taking the piss....but you took it so seriously. I'm sure most people realise what I was doing. Well, some...

Chill out mate.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

See, there ya go again, with that misinterpretation stuff.....

misinterpretation ?

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

It's odd.

Trust me...it's odd.

Yes, bias is odd.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I was just taking the piss....but you took it so seriously. I'm sure most people realise what I was doing. Well, some...

Chill out mate.

Don't worry I don't take your posts seriously, you just made that assumption.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I'm interested in their mindset. I'm curious. I also like to dispel a few myths a long the way

there is nothing to analyze, they are dumb, as much as the silly cattle they support. They think in linear and binary terms, a very simple thought process model, found in 90% of the world population. Never forget we descend from monkeys and it's hard to tell some of us apart

So how is frog logic better?

Originally Posted by DroversDog

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

^^ It happens in other 'democracies' too......

The Sun newspaper ( a Murdoch owned paper) famously credits itself with 'advising' its readership on who to vote for...they claim to have been a massive influence in the past, on who was elected in the UK. English politicians have also courted them for that very reason.

The various interested parties (read; religious groups) in the US elections also 'advise' (but it is in effect an order) their flock on who they should vote for.....Murdoch and his financial support of the republican party is also a well known example of how things work....he uses the media there too, to suggest, cajole, or tell others on how to behave.

People are sheep.

Ah, democracy...it is lovely isn't it...

Here it is blatant. In the west it is sophisticated. The result is the same.

No direct orders in the military are vastly different then listening to what is advised in a newspaper etc. With the advice in the newspapers or by other groups there is no consquences if you are found out voting the other way. You can totally disregard it. For most people who do not have a pre-determined voting patern, then they can take advice from other sources to form their own view on who to vote for. The sheep you speak of have only voted for one party in their lives and most likely it is the same for their parents. Their vote does not change with the environment around them.

Like I said, one is blatant, one is sophisticated. The result is the same.

Most people don't change. It's like in America, the candidate who appeals to the ultra-conservative christian evangelical movement automatically counts on a substantial percentage of voters. They are in the bag and seldom deviate. They are a certain type of person....

Most people are sheep.

Here they tell them what to do....there they make sure they do what they want them to do...

The result is the same. Manipulation or coercion. The result is the same.

Originally Posted by DroversDog

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

See, there ya go again, with that misinterpretation stuff.....

misinterpretation ?

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

It's odd.

Trust me...it's odd.

Yes, bias is odd.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I was just taking the piss....but you took it so seriously. I'm sure most people realise what I was doing. Well, some...

Chill out mate.

Don't worry I don't take your posts seriously, you just made that assumption.

Misinterpretation....yes, you took a guess at my colours and you also posted I was being defensive.....

Both are equally wrong.

You are still to supply any evidence that I'm biased, other than your own opinion (which of course can be very wrong...).

Still waiting.

What are my reasons for claiming to be unbiased, when you and others are so sure I am biased.....?

Can I have an answer?

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Misinterpretation....yes, you took a guess at my colours and you also posted I was being defensive.....

Both are equally wrong.

You are defensive. Every time somebody questions your bias, you keep posting until you get the last post in.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

You are still to supply any evidence that I'm biased, other than your own opinion (which of course can be very wrong...).

Ok, lets start here......

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

And will the myopic red shirt crowd fess up and admit to being wrong....

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

And will any lessons be learnt by the red shirts...?

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

And will paranoid delusions of a persecutory nature be continued to be vomited forth by the same red shirt fans...?

Where is the balance?

LOL

The balance my friend is that I will attack the reds, yellows, government, Thaksin and anyone else i can think who is deserving of such treatment. I take no side. All are game.

No faction here is worthy of support, except the common folk who have to endure this farce...and are victims of it. At this point, there isn't anyone who has the best interests of the Thai people at heart amongst the warring political factions, all are after one thing....power and the trappings that go with it.

Like I said earlier, it is your perception that is at fault....

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The balance my friend is that I will attack the reds, yellows, government, Thaksin and anyone else i can think who is deserving of such treatment. I take no side. All are game.

As has been pointed out to you that is where you are way off the mark with your self perception.

You critisise the government and the PAD, true and has been acknowledged by everybody.
But in stark contrast to that you attack and ridicule the Red and those who support them every time you get half a chance.

Self reflection is an awkward thing as it forces you to verify your own action and that can sometimes hurt. You should try it anyway. You feel better afterwards, I promise.

LOL

True to form takeovers....

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The balance my friend is that I will attack the reds, yellows, government, Thaksin and anyone else i can think who is deserving of such treatment. I take no side. All are game.

Your attacks on yellows and the Dems are few and far between. Rather more a confused slap rather then an attack. Noted you do attack Newin's mob, but certainly not the Dems.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

No faction here is worthy of support, except the common folk who have to endure this farce...and are victims of it.

Ah now your heart goes out to reds? Or do you think the common folk drive Mercs and shop at Central World etc.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

At this point, there isn't anyone who has the best interests of the Thai people at heart amongst the warring political factions, all are after one thing....power and the trappings that go with it.

No there are actually several who have been fighting for democracy for years.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Like I said earlier, it is your perception that is at fault....

No, it is very clear.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The balance my friend is that I will attack the reds, yellows, government, Thaksin and anyone else i can think who is deserving of such treatment. I take no side. All are game.

As has been pointed out to you that is where you are way off the mark with your self perception.

You critisise the government and the PAD, true and has been acknowledged by everybody.
But in stark contrast to that you attack and ridicule the Red and those who support them every time you get half a chance.

Self reflection is an awkward thing as it forces you to verify your own action and that can sometimes hurt. You should try it anyway. You feel better afterwards, I promise.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

LOL

True to form takeovers....

Spot on takeovers......

Thai money offer slammed

Isabella Polenghi, sister of slain Italian photograher Fabio Polenghi, pays her last respects at his funeral at a temple in Bangkok. -- PHOTO: AFP


BANGKOK - THE sister of an Italian photographer killed in Bangkok during this year's anti-government protests accused Thai authorities of offering money to 'close our mouths', in a letter released on Friday.

Elisabetta Polenghi's brother Fabio was gunned down on May 19, the day of the bloody military crackdown in Bangkok that brought two months of 'Red Shirt' demonstrations to an end.

'Certainly, the institutions in Thailand have made offers of financial compensation as you well know,' Ms Polenghi said in the letter to Somsakdi Suriyawongse, Thailand's ambassador in Rome.

She described those offers as 'absolutely inappropriate' and said 'we believe it is an obvious attempt to close our mouths and pay back the dignity of our Fabio with a little money'.

Polenghi was killed while working as a freelance photographer covering the protest, in which thousands of Reds brought Bangkok's retail heart to a standstill for two months with demands for snap elections.

Days of street battles between armed troops and protesters during the April and May unrest left over 90 people dead and nearly 1,900 injured, mainly civilians. -- AFP

Originally Posted by DroversDog

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The balance my friend is that I will attack the reds, yellows, government, Thaksin and anyone else i can think who is deserving of such treatment. I take no side. All are game.

Your attacks on yellows and the Dems are few and far between. Rather more a confused slap rather then an attack. Noted you do attack Newin's mob, but certainly not the Dems.

Oh dear, you really need to read more....

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ad-for-pm.html

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...er-2010-a.html (Red shirt rally, 19th of November 2010 - 6 months since the slaughter)

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...-disunity.html (Thai government bans goods that "cause disunity"; will jail violators for 2 years)

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...pers-pm-s.html (Vendor arrested for selling slippers with PM’s picture)

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...tice-bill.html

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...egitimacy.html

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...igns-army.html (Is Prayuth the best choice amid signs of Army rivalry?)

And on and on and on.....so many more....

Why is it that I post so many threads openly critical of this government....

I have also been a very vocal critic of this government about the May murders (note my wording of the thread above...I used "slaughter" for a reason).

Originally Posted by DroversDog

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

No faction here is worthy of support, except the common folk who have to endure this farce...and are victims of it.

Ah now your heart goes out to reds? Or do you think the common folk drive Mercs and shop at Central World etc.

No, which is why I post and update threads on a range of issues that relate to the normal people of Thailand, such as land rights, medical malpractice, minimum wage, education, human rights, social security etc....

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...re-system.html

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...defenders.html (Law unfair to poor in land cases : defenders)

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ppearance.html

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...-normalcy.html (Divided Thailand seeks elusive 'normalcy')

What is it that you do again? Ah yes, sweet fuck all.....

Originally Posted by DroversDog

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

At this point, there isn't anyone who has the best interests of the Thai people at heart amongst the warring political factions, all are after one thing....power and the trappings that go with it.

No there are actually several who have been fighting for democracy for years.

I'm sure, but none of them are in a position of power or influence and arguing my above point will just make you look really stupid. You support the reds, their leaders are after the return of Thaksin and are closely aligned with Puea Thai. So, I'd think about your point again if I were you.

Originally Posted by DroversDog

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Like I said earlier, it is your perception that is at fault....

No, it is very clear.

As clear as mud it would appear. You have no idea.

It is your perception that is at fault.

^ Indeed, a much more strongly worded example of this news item exists which says as much, but it can't be posted here I think...

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by DroversDog

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The balance my friend is that I will attack the reds, yellows, government, Thaksin and anyone else i can think who is deserving of such treatment. I take no side. All are game.

Your attacks on yellows and the Dems are few and far between. Rather more a confused slap rather then an attack. Noted you do attack Newin's mob, but certainly not the Dems.

Oh dear, you really need to read more....

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ad-for-pm.html

Ok lets go through them 1 by 1. Above is the first one. Where is your stinging comments? Are we to believe your attacks on the Dems is just limited to posting an articles critical to the government? No points.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...er-2010-a.html (Red shirt rally, 19th of November 2010 - 6 months since the slaughter)

The second one. Yep again lots of reposting. Lots of pictures of reds. Very nice work, much appreciated, but still no comments other then you are not biased.

Do I need to go through the rest?

SD, I am not questioning bias about your reposts as they do contain information about both sides. This is good stuff. What is in question is when you actually comment in your own words. The words are not the same unbiased quality as your reposts.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Hilarious. Would you believe anyone else in such a position? He can say what he wants, with no responsibility, no one to challenge him, no consequences....it is the antithesis of all that is democratic

Carefull itchy, the watching PAD/yellows might just think you are describng the topman there.
Come to think of it you would be right for once.

Originally Posted by Thaihome

In past 4 years Thailand has had one general election and several by-elections which according to at least one International Election Monitoring organization is acknowledged to represent the will of the people.

Originally Posted by Thaihome

The successor to Thai Rak Thai, after failing to win control of Parliament in the next national election in late 2007, formed a coalition. Later, based on overwhelming evidence of the Deputy Party leaders attempt to bribe local government officials, an ad hoc court, consisting of judges hand-picked by the coup-makers, dissolved that party but allowed most MP’s to keep their seats. In the resulting political scramble a number of dissatisfied factions joined the Democrat Party in electing Abhisit Vejjajiva’s to the Prime Minister’s office. Subsequent by-elections to replace the party executive members of the successor party have resulted in increasing the majority of the Democrat led coalition.

So there we have the point of view of Party A, and the point of view of Party B.
nothing different in that.
But as you know the arbitor of the legitimacy of each view is currently at the discretion of the ad hoc military appointed judges, ie tampered judiciary.
They would go with party B, they are party B, they are the same people.
That is where it is undemocratic, I have told you that before, it is not where Amsterdam is aiming he knows he can never win there.
A view re-inforced by the slaying of innocent protestors on the streets of bangkok
Just look at the court decisions since the coup, impartial ??.
no, Amsterdam is setting up for the impartial democratic international court, where the view of Party B isn't loaded.

Originally Posted by Thaihome

The successor to the TRT did not win the election. They won the most seats in Parliament but did not win enough to control a majority. The formed a coalition with a number of smaller parties to control Parliment.

The winner of a national election is the party that wins the most seats. The leader of the winning party becomes Prime Minister elect, and gets the right to form the next government either outright or in coalition- but only one national election ever held in Thailand has returned an absolute majority for the winning party, being the re-election of Thaksin. Every other elected government has been a coalition.

^ Indeed, in a Parliamentary Democracy system the party with the most seats can appoint a PM and govern as a minority government, letting Parliamentary Democracy take its course.
Where TH loses it , is he cannot explain where military coup, "coup-issued law", and tampered judiciary sit in a Parliamentary Democracy.