Thread: The 'Veil'

Operation Steel Curtain.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

That's right. Poor old Uday Hussein was a poor innocent victim.

Actually that one deserved a painful death. Americans were too easy on him. Dropping a bomb and killing innocent civilians wasn't the best thing to do. Cutting his head off on a public place would have been more effective IMHO.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by ceburat

Hell man, if they don't care about there own, why should we - BOMBS AWAY!

God, I just love those compassionate Christians. They must have been something really different under the Inquisition.

Truth is truth, not my fault you can't accept it.

^ Truth as you see it, which is hardly credible

War is Peace

Slavery is Freedom

1+1 = 3

The last 2 posts sum up this banter between 2 posters nicely - thanks.

Sort of stopped this thread, eh?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Uday Hussein had no military role in Saddam's regime so was, by definition, a civilian. He was killed by the US in a targeted attack. Sometimes civilians are targeted by both terrorists and the legal enactors of political violence: soveriegn states.

That's right. Poor old Uday Hussein was a poor innocent victim.

And those feelthy American peegs didn't even apologise.

Muslin women: Beneath the veil

Muslim women are some of the most knowledgeable and fashion-forward shoppers in the world. And under that shapeless, monochrome exterior, don't be surprised to find a daring and imaginative sense of style - not to mention a miniskirt or pink hot pants.

Amid all the recent controversy and hand-wringing over what Muslim women should and shouldn't wear in this country, I found myself wondering - perhaps in my capacity as a fashion editor, but mainly just as a woman - if there wasn't a more interesting question worth asking about Muslim women and their clothes. There is a tendency, in the Western world, to assume that if a Muslim woman is observant of her faith - and covering her body, with varying degrees of extremism, is symbolic of that observance - that she is automatically excluded from being fashionable; she is, in some way, "outside" of fashion. There is also is a tendency to lump traditional Muslim dress into one dull generic pile of black cloth and to assume that one size fits all.

But any time I have been in one of London's most immediately identifiable Muslim areas - Edgware Road at night; Brick Lane on Sundays; the Serpentine during the summer months - it starts to become clear that there is a whole other fashion lexicon at play among modern Muslim women. Sometimes it's in the eyes, other times it's in the tie of the robe or the texture of the cloth; and while those subtle nuances might not initially mean much to most Western eyes, it's obvious that something intriguing is definitely going on beneath those veils.

Independent Online Edition > This Britain

What a load of tosh.

Originally Posted by surasak

Did you know that veil can be rearranged to spell 'evil?'

or 'vile'

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Originally Posted by surasak

Did you know that veil can be rearranged to spell 'evil?'

or 'vile'

An Ex All Black called Mark Ellis (And he is a funny bastard..told his co-host called Lanna (Premium spunk too).."what is your name spelt backwards"....He also said the he was so hot one day trhat he was "sweating like a rapist"..all on live TV.Nice......

The irony of this discussion is how this is an issue because a couple of muslim
women complain about having their "civil rights" impugned because they are required to show their faces when testifying in court and when getting an ID or driver license.
Would these same women be accorded rights to drive or appear in court in Islamic society?
Do they issue drivers licenses to veiled women in Dubai?
Do women in Islamic courts have any rights at all?
Has anyone pondered these questions?

What does any of that have to do with the UK or the US?

Originally Posted by surasak

What does any of that have to do with the UK or the US?

Why should it?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

The irony of this discussion is how this is an issue because a couple of muslim
women complain about having their "civil rights" impugned because they are required to show their faces when testifying in court and when getting an ID or driver license.
Would these same women be accorded rights to drive or appear in court in Islamic society?
Do they issue drivers licenses to veiled women in Dubai?
Do women in Islamic courts have any rights at all?
Has anyone pondered these questions?

Please, Mr. Earl, don't put the PS's (progressive secularists) to task on this subject. Infringes upon the way they perceive the world should be...

Originally Posted by surasak

Isn't that the reason why people join the military? "To die for your country."

No - You join the military to SERVE your country. I am surprised that no one else has pointed this out.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

The irony of this discussion is how this is an issue because a couple of muslim
women complain about having their "civil rights" impugned because they are required to show their faces when testifying in court and when getting an ID or driver license.
Would these same women be accorded rights to drive or appear in court in Islamic society?
Do they issue drivers licenses to veiled women in Dubai?
Do women in Islamic courts have any rights at all?
Has anyone pondered these questions?

A very good point which should merit some answers, however I dont think we have any members that could answer that with regards to the ME.
But surely the wearing of a heavy veil could be classed as a safety hazard as it limits the sight of a driver.

Originally Posted by Propagator

Originally Posted by surasak

Isn't that the reason why people join the military? "To die for your country."

No - You join the military to SERVE your country. I am surprised that no one else has pointed this out.

What exactly does the 'serve your country' mean?

Does it originate from servant? Meaning to volunteer to be a slave? Subservient? Meaning someone will always be telling you what to do, when to do it, and how to do it?

To be of use? Does that imply the rest of us are 'useless?'

To wait on the rest of us? Can I get ketchup with those fries, Captain?

Taking part in labor which produces no tangible commodity and which contributes nothing to the national wealth?

No, you join the military to be a pawn in someone else's chess game. And if you're really lucky you don't lose a limb, get a brain injury, or come home in a box.

Originally Posted by surasak

Originally Posted by Propagator

Originally Posted by surasak

Isn't that the reason why people join the military? "To die for your country."

No - You join the military to SERVE your country. I am surprised that no one else has pointed this out.

No, you join the military to be a pawn in someone else's chess game. And if you're really lucky you don't lose a limb, get a brain injury, or come home in a box.

friend of mine joined the army to get educated and to fight......

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Support your troops.

Damn right!
They're the only ones who are holding back the savage hordes.

Originally Posted by surasak

What does any of that have to do with the UK or the US?

Because mr "genius" the so called violations of civil rights of these Muslim women occurred in the UK and the US.
Wouldn't you like to know whether or not they are accorded these rights or privileges in the oppressive countries they come from?
Come on "genius" aren't you slightly curious?

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Originally Posted by surasak

Originally Posted by Propagator

Originally Posted by surasak

Isn't that the reason why people join the military? "To die for your country."

No - You join the military to SERVE your country. I am surprised that no one else has pointed this out.

No, you join the military to be a pawn in someone else's chess game. And if you're really lucky you don't lose a limb, get a brain injury, or come home in a box.

friend of mine joined the army to get educated and to fight......

And lo and behold when little Johnny is expected to fight people actually sue the military because they were expecting a free education without any risk.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by surasak

What does any of that have to do with the UK or the US?

Because mr "genius" the so called violations of civil rights of these Muslim women occurred in the UK and the US.
Wouldn't you like to know whether or not they are accorded these rights or privileges in the oppressive countries they come from?
Come on "genius" aren't you slightly curious?

I fail to see what connection there is between how someone is treated in some other country when the discussion is about how we should be treating them in our own country.

What they do or don't do elsewhere is of no concern to me. What matters is are we going to respect religious beliefs (you know, that pesky thing called the First Amendment....at least we have something resembling a 'damned piece of paper') or are we just shoehorning our bigotry simply because they are Muslim?