Thread: The 'Veil'

Originally Posted by surasak

What's thick skinned about it? Thick skinned would be ignoring millions of attacks and deaths and calling it 'no big deal.'

Thick skinned is being presented with facts and dismissing them without any sort of debate regarding the validity or conclusion drawn by those facts because one's prejudice is so overwhelming and complete as to stifle any sort of intellectual process capable of discussing ways to dismiss one's paranoia.

We're talking about 50 Americans a year. To call Islam or any Muslim a threat to my person or my life is really beyond comprehension. We started a war in another nation over a threat so small it cannot be measured. The risk factor to me as an American is so low we're talking about 10 decimal places to the right of the decimal. I likely stand a greater chance of being impaled by a piece of blue ice flushed out of an airplane overhead than ever being attacked or killed by a Muslim. I don't worry about that so why should I concern myself with something that is so remote of a possibliy that the chances of it happening are less than winning the Powerball jackpot? (1:146,000,000)

Precisely, it seems the scourge is in no way a direct threat to your life or lifestyle, which affords you the complacency you seem so want to cherish. Good for you.

Well, Americans aside that leaves possibly 3,000 victims among 6.1 billion people (assuming all remaining non-Iraqi terrorist victims were killed by Muslims worldwide).

That is a risk factor of 4.9180327868852459016393442622951e-7:1

Or, in simpler terms: 1 in 2,000,000

To put things in perspective: a person stands more of a chance being killed by a gun carrying Englishman than being killed by a Muslim.

If you are suggesting Muslims are inherently dangerous maybe we ought to all run away from England first because the death rate is more than double.

Precisely, it seems the scourge is in no way a direct threat to your life or lifestyle, which affords you the complacency you seem so want to cherish. Good for you.

Good for you; having proven the dangers of living in the USA, you now demonstrate conclusively that the scourge is less of a danger than the local English gentry, which can only mean we're soon going to learn you've taken up residency in the safety of some Arab/Muslim lands?

Originally Posted by keda

...we're soon going to learn you've taken up residency in the safety of some Arab/Muslim lands?

Thailand, actually: roughly 94% Buddhist, 5% Muslim (mostly in the south) and 1% don't know/Christian/Other (?).

Originally Posted by keda

Precisely, it seems the scourge is in no way a direct threat to your life or lifestyle, which affords you the complacency you seem so want to cherish. Good for you.

Good for you; having proven the dangers of living in the USA, you now demonstrate conclusively that the scourge is less of a danger than the local English gentry, which can only mean we're soon going to learn you've taken up residency in the safety of some Arab/Muslim lands?

If my job or career took me there so be it. I wouldn't need to cringe in fear. In reality it would likely be safer that most major U.S. cities as I've already pointed out.

I just don't understand where all the hatred and fear comes from. It must be horrible to live such a life being paranoid and worrying about things over which the chances of them happening are so remote as to be literally be non-existent.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I think a veil will look preety stupid on her!

With the hard look on her face I dont think so.


The question is 'Is she a Muslim?'

More trouble here. It is the few that are really bringing a bad name to the Muslims in this country. Note the highlighted words. Why hide faces in a demonstration, that if peaceful, would be allowed? The freedom that they have in this country and most other Non Muslim countries allows them to do this. Would I be allowed to do it in a Muslim country? I very much doubt, more likely arrested and deported, or something much worse.


Muslims arrested in Old Bailey demo


By Duncan Gardham

Last Updated: 2:17am GMT 02/11/2006





Four Muslims were arrested outside the Old Bailey yesterday during angry protests against the trial of a man allegedly involved in protests against Danish cartoons.
Anjem Choudary, who helped organise the anti-Danish protests, was once more involved as was Abu Izzadeen, who confronted John Reid, the Home Secretary, on a recent visit to East London.
Mr Choudary said afterwards: "We should not be surprised at people doing something like 7/7. How else do you expect Muslims to express themselves?


"We are a community under siege. It's going to blow up one day in everyone's faces."
Male demonstrators, most wearing scarves across their faces, held placards reading 'Cartoonist free at large, protesters criminalised', 'Freedom to insult Mohammed, no freedom to defend his honour', and 'Biased government, biased CPS, biased police, biased judges'. Female protesters, in a separate enclosure from the men and wearing full veils, held placards reading: "Shariah — the only option for the UK."
Speaking through a megaphone, Mr Choudary told supporters: "Islam is the fastest growing belief in the UK, the fastest growing belief in Europe and the fastest growing belief around the world."
The demonstration was being directed away from the Central Criminal Court by police when one of the men allegedly assaulted a cameraman. The three others were arrested when they tried to help their friend. City police said a number of officers sustained minor injuries.
The protesters were objecting to the arrest of Mizanur Rahman, 23, a web designer from Edmonton, North London, whose trial began yesterday for allegedly soliciting murder and using threatening, abusive or insulting words to stir up racial hatred during a demonstration. Rahman is said to have called for "another 9/11" in Europe.

Originally Posted by surasak

Originally Posted by Propagator

Originally Posted by surasak

Isn't that the reason why people join the military? "To die for your country."

No - You join the military to SERVE your country. I am surprised that no one else has pointed this out.

What exactly does the 'serve your country' mean?

Does it originate from servant? Meaning to volunteer to be a slave? Subservient? Meaning someone will always be telling you what to do, when to do it, and how to do it?

To be of use? Does that imply the rest of us are 'useless?'

To wait on the rest of us? Can I get ketchup with those fries, Captain?

Taking part in labor which produces no tangible commodity and which contributes nothing to the national wealth?

No, you join the military to be a pawn in someone else's chess game. And if you're really lucky you don't lose a limb, get a brain injury, or come home in a box.

(quote underlined by me)

The US Navy keeps the shipping lanes open. The US military kept the Soviets from walking into Europe. Both forces allow for trade to continue and flourish. Our own commerce and world commerce benefits from US military existence.