Thread: Islam Ctr Planned Next to Ground Zero

Not that it makes any difference because the GZM won't get built at that location, but is anyone seriously suggesting that this project will not include a mosque?

No, I mean seriously.

One of the many signs at the anti Victory Mega Mosque protest the other day in NYC:



For a lot more go here

It seems to me the Muslims shouldn't build the mosque there, whether they have the right to or not, as it will obviously upset a lot of people.
They should be sensitive to the people who will be offended by it.

What is the significance of the place indeed? It is a shabby building in a shabby side street, not visible from the WTC at all, 2.5 blocks away from the closest street edge of the glitzy WTC/ World Financial Center complex. It suffered minor damage from 911, as did many buildings. Does that make them shrines?

It was sold as a largely abandoned building for redevelopment, the buyers were the Cordoba Foundation.

So why, considering the fact that so many are opposed and will be upset by the building of a mosque here, do they insist on this location?

Originally Posted by Dug

So why, considering the fact that so many are opposed and will be upset by the building of a mosque here, do they insist on this location?

Because Islam demands that we prove our tolerance. Only, there would be no need to prove anything if Islam stopped stretching our very tolerance that allows it to foment.

Anyway, why should we have to prove anything? The simple fact that the abhorrent ideology of Islam still exists and has not been pulverised, is proof enough that we are excessively tolerant.

^^^
Are you saying half a million dead children aren't innocent civilians????

Originally Posted by keda

Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance?

Like every major religion, it contains everything from the most ignorant bigotry and xenophobia to the utmost altruism. So Yes and No- like every other religion. I spent some time studying them out of a sense of obligation, and soon found they bored me.

This Victory Mega Mosque is called the Cordoba House because of the Mosque built in Cordoba Spain. All that talk about Cordoba being a city where all religions lived together in peace and understanding is B.S. It's nothing but a Trojan Horse...

Originally Posted by pickel

^^^
Are you saying half a million dead children aren't innocent civilians????

That's exactly what I'm saying.

I can't see what 10, a half million or ten million dead has to do with it. But to use your number, half a million dead children or otherwise, are not innocent, if they are not Muslim.

It is important to grasp the Islamic concept of innocence. If you are not a Muslim then you reject the faith and are therefore not innocent. If you were not born a Muslim you still have the opportunity to convert; if you refuse to convert, you cannot be innocent. If your parents are guilty of rejecting Allah, then their shame passes to you as the child, and you cannot be innocent. Only Muslims are innocent in the eyes of Allah.

This is why I have the tiniest respect for Anjem Choudary. He makes no secret of the fact that while he will be first in line to condemn the slaughter of innocents in line with Islamic doctrine, according to the same doctrine no non-Muslim can be innocent.

Other Islamic leaders are not so honest, preferring to work their charms on those that need to believe the spoken words without knowing what they actually mean.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

This Victory Mega Mosque is called the Cordoba House because of the Mosque built in Cordoba Spain. All that talk about Cordoba being a city where all religions lived together in peace and understanding is B.S. It's nothing but a Trojan Horse...

Are you sure? I seem to remember learning that it did actually work well for a couple of centuries.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by keda

link please,

Enjoy- Pamela Geller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You really are capable of believing any rubbish, aren't you, sabang?

The "Atlas says that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child" charge has gone viral among leftards and lizards. The only problem with it is that it is false. I am not the author of this post, and I posted it because the writer did a spectacular job documenting Obama's many connections with the Far Left. The Malcolm X claim is one minor part of this story, and was of interest to me principally as part of the writer's documentation that Stanley Ann Dunham could not have been where the Obama camp says she was at various times. I do not believe that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child, and never did -- but there remain many, many unanswered questions about his early life and upbringing."

HOW COULD STANLEY ANN DUNHAM HAVE DELIVERED BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA JR. IN AUGUST OF 1961 IN HONOLULU, WHEN OFFICIAL UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON RECORDS SHOW HER 2680 MILES AWAY IN SEATTLE ATTENDING CLASSES THAT SAME MONTH? - Atlas Shrugs

Politico's Pammiecakes Propaganda - Atlas Shrugs

You may even discover more here that you would rather not know. But of course nothing on this site can possibly be true because it isn't one of your favoured sources.

Btw sabang, your Wiki sleaze has been edited, and I have sent a note to admin with the above and other links, pointing out it's previous condition of dishonesty.

One thing puzzles me. Is it just a coincidence that prior to my edit of your Wiki link, it was only recently that the previous edit was made that falsely accused Pamela Geller of making the statement you attributed to her? Sure, just a coincidence.

Originally Posted by Pol the Pot

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

This Victory Mega Mosque is called the Cordoba House because of the Mosque built in Cordoba Spain. All that talk about Cordoba being a city where all religions lived together in peace and understanding is B.S. It's nothing but a Trojan Horse...

Are you sure? I seem to remember learning that it did actually work well for a couple of centuries.

I was reading an article the other day re the Muslim domination of Spain where the spin today is it was all mutual cooperation and harmony. That apparently wasn't the case. I'll see if I can find the piece...

Mutual cooperation and relative harmony, considering it was an invasion, but only until the Muslims were well in control. That's a tried and proven formula. Then the oppressed were given the Koranic choice of conversion, dhimmitude, or slaughter, and the Muslims moved on France.

But in those days they did not have a fifth column; now they do.

Originally Posted by keda

The "Atlas says that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child"

We should be so lucky.

I posted it because the writer did a spectacular job documenting Obama's many connections with the Far Left.

He may have had connectins with the far left , but he's abandoned his base and I'd consider him center right .

Protests, Rhetoric Feed Jihadists' Fire - WSJ.com


By JONATHAN WEISMAN

Islamic radicals are seizing on protests against a planned Islamic community center near Manhattan's Ground Zero and anti-Muslim rhetoric elsewhere as a propaganda opportunity and are stepping up anti-U.S. chatter and threats on their websites.



One jihadist site vowed to conduct suicide bombings in Florida to avenge a threatened Koran burning, while others predicted an increase in terrorist recruits as a result of such actions.



"By Allah, the wars are heated and you Americans are the ones who…enflamed it," says one such posting. "By Allah you will be the first to taste its flames."
White House homeland security adviser John Brennan told reporters Friday that he had seen no evidence that the debate over the proposed Islamic center in Lower Manhattan, other mosque protests or the planned Koran burning had affected U.S. counterterrorism efforts.
Agence France Presse/Getty Images The proposal to build an Islamic community center, including a mosque, near Ground Zero brought out supporters, above, and opponents on Sunday.



Agence France Presse/Getty Images




A White House official on Sunday stressed that Mr. Brennan was addressing the narrow question of whether the debates in the U.S. over Islam were having an impact on U.S. counterterrorism efforts, and that Mr. Brennan specifically declined to address whether those debates were energizing the jihadists.



A U.S. official on Sunday said the administration was taking the upswing in anti-U.S. chatter seriously. "Terrorists like al-Qaeda and its violent allies are motivated already to try to attack the United States, but when it comes to propaganda, extremists are pure opportunists. They'll use whatever they can," the official said.
—Matthew White





Many opponents of the planned Muslim community center say they have no bias against Muslims but that putting the building so close to Ground Zero shows an insensitivity toward the victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Controversy over the community center, which will contain a mosque and other facilities, has helped fan anti-Muslim rhetoric in the U.S. far from Lower Manhattan in recent weeks.
Jarret Brachman, director of Cronus Global, a security consulting firm, and author of the book Global Jihadism, said al Qaeda and other groups have long used imagery from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to recruit new members. But the U.S. position has been that those wars are not against Islam and that the U.S. has Muslim allies in the fight.
Anti-Muslim rhetoric in the U.S is different, since jihadists can use Americans' words to make the case that the U.S. is indeed at war with Islam. The violent postings are not just on al Qaeda-linked websites but on prominent, mainstream Muslim chat forums, Mr. Brachman said.

"We are handing al Qaeda a propaganda coup, an absolute propaganda coup," with the Islamic-center controversy, said Evan Kohlmann, an independent terrorism consultant at Flashpoint Partners who monitors jihadist websites.


Critics of the proposed Islamic center said their right to speak out shouldn't be influenced by the possibility of jihadist threats. "We will never win a war when we are afraid to even name our enemies," former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said in an e-mail Sunday.


The most violent threats stem not from the debate over the Islamic center but more fringe issues, such as a declaration by Terry Jones, pastor at the Dove World Outreach Center, a mega-church in Gainesville, Fla., that Sept. 11 be an "International Burn a Koran Day."


Supporters and opponents of a proposed Muslim cultural center and mosque near the World Trade Center site staged competing rallies in downtown Manhattan. Video courtesy of Fox News.


In an interview Sunday, Mr. Jones said he planned to go ahead with the Koran burning on the evening of Sept. 11, despite the local fire department denying a permit for the event. He said the jihadist threats only confirmed his views of Muslims.
"I can understand that they would be offended. I think their reactions—violence, threats, murders terrorist attacks—that only reveals the true nature of Islam which needs to be revealed," he said.



Threats have been posted on Jihadist web sites in response to such planned actions as Mr. Jones's Koran burning. "Now, I wish to bomb myself in this church as revenge for the sake of Allah's talk. And here I register my name here that I want to be an intended-martyr," wrote a poster identifying himself as "Abu Dujanah."

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Pol the Pot

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

This Victory Mega Mosque is called the Cordoba House because of the Mosque built in Cordoba Spain. All that talk about Cordoba being a city where all religions lived together in peace and understanding is B.S. It's nothing but a Trojan Horse...

Are you sure? I seem to remember learning that it did actually work well for a couple of centuries.

I was reading an article the other day re the Muslim domination of Spain where the spin today is it was all mutual cooperation and harmony. That apparently wasn't the case. I'll see if I can find the piece...

Please do. The caliphate on the Iberian peninsula was a religiously tolerant place that encouraged the arts and sciences. Things started going pear shaped after the reconquista by the Christians.
At least that's the opinion of most scholars of that time.

Oh, and only after that Europe slid back into the dark ages...