Thread: Islam Ctr Planned Next to Ground Zero

Barack Obama backtracks over Ground Zero mosque support

President Barack Obama has backtracked over his enthusiastic support for the building of a mosque near Ground Zero in New York, saying he was "not commenting on the wisdom of making the decision".

The decision to build an 15-storey Islamic centre in Manhattan, including a mosque, two blocks from the Ground Zero site of the September 11th terrorist attacks has incensed many Americans, with polls indicating that more than two-thirds oppose it.

Speaking at an iftar dinner held at the White House on Friday to mark the breaking of the Ramadan fast, Mr Obama abandoned his administration's previous stance that there would be no comment on the "local" issue.

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country," he said. "And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community centre on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances."

These comments heartened many on the Left, though they drew a sharp rebuke from centrist Democrats fighting uphill battles to retain seats in the November mid-term elections.

"I would prefer the president be a little more of a politician and a little less of a college professor," wrote Martin Frost, a former Texas congressman, in an article for the news website Politico. "While a defensible position, it will not play well in the parts of the country where Democrats need the most help."

The comments also prompted an outpouring of indignation from the Right and among victims groups. Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House and a possible 2012 presidential candidate, accused him of "pandering to radical Islam", while Peter King, a New York congressman, said he had "caved in to political correctness".

Within 24 hours, Mr Obama was insisting that he had not meant to indicate that he supported the building of the community centre, but was simply making a legal point.

"I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there," he said. "I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding."

The clarification did little to blunt the conservative criticism of Mr Obama, while Glenn Greenwald, a lawyer and liberal blogger, summed up the frustration of those on the Left in a by tweeting on the microblogging website Twitter: "Well, it was nice spending a day thinking Obama did something courageous."

Barack Obama backtracks over Ground Zero mosque support - Telegraph

...Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House and a possible 2012 presidential candidate, accused him of "pandering to radical Islam"...

Should be no surprise that he's pandering to radical Islam, and not the first time either, with his, er, um, close ties to that dysfunctional belief system.

He's managed to con the people time and again, with a little help from his cronies, which has boosted his ego and made him more bold and cocky than ever. Let's hope common sense soon prevails to have him democratically relegated as just another crap US president.

Carter must be enjoying every moment leading to his promotion to 2nd worst American president.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by MrG

Hate sells, especially when combined with its evil twin; fear.

Add ignorance and you've got the unholy Trinity.

They've been working on that one for a along time.

Originally Posted by keda

The clarification did little to blunt the conservative criticism of Mr Obama, while Glenn Greenwald, a lawyer and liberal blogger, summed up the frustration of those on the Left in a by tweeting on the microblogging website Twitter: "Well, it was nice spending a day thinking Obama did something courageous."

Yep. Why backtrack? Didn't please anyone.

Seems he pleased only those that are pleased with him anyway, and displeased at least some that were on the fence...a minus-sum effort.

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by MrG

Hate sells, especially when combined with its evil twin; fear.

Add ignorance and you've got the unholy Trinity.

They've been working on that one for a along time.

You don't build a theme park (or mega mosque) next to Auswitz or at some Civil War battlesite either...

Originally Posted by keda

Seems he pleased only those that are pleased with him anyway, and displeased at least some that were on the fence...a minus-sum effort.

Quite an impressive overall deficit me thinks.

If he keeps this up his chances at reelection are rather slim.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

You don't build a theme park (or mega mosque) next to Auswitz or at some Civil War battlesite either...

What did I hear about a casino next to Gettysburg?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by keda

Seems he pleased only those that are pleased with him anyway, and displeased at least some that were on the fence...a minus-sum effort.

Quite an impressive overall deficit me thinks.

If he keeps this up his chances at reelection are rather slim.

Never mind reelection, his best result will be not to steal Carter's title of Worst American President.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Adds insult to injury IMHO, but what do you boys think? The Imam says it will be a "cultural" centre open to all but the building now standing is already being used as a muslim prayer space.

Thanks for posting this, Jet. Both the muslims on the vid seem eminently reasonable, but I think most non-Muslims would see this as an affront to the dead of 911. We are constantly urged to be "sensitive" to Islamic beliefs but seldom is the favor returned.

^ I really don't want to be anti-muslim, but I'm just so PO-ed that we are supposed to put everyone else before us. Fek. I came home and I'm less of a citizen than I was overseas it seems. Disagree with an ethnic person and I'm racist. Just give us respect for what we created.

A mosque at Ground Zero is like placing ”a statue of McVeigh at the Murrah building.

Which is a very apt analogy...

^ How? I guess I must have missed that statues of the 911 Terrorists are to placed in this community centre, and of course there is also the small matter that Park Place is not 'at' GZ anyway.

^ Close enough and don't forget part of one plane landed on that bldg. Never mind body parts.
Oh! What a surprise! Harry Reid has come out against the mosque's location! Feeding frenzy for votes, I reckon. Poor bambutt; he's got himself into another dilemma with his big trap flapping.

The Associated Press: Reid: Build mosque elsewhere

I thought Harry Reid had already miraculously been assured of re-election by nutty Sharon Angle (obviously a Democrat plant). Still, gotta play safe I suppose, he's deep in flyover country.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

...Just give us respect for what we created.

We created what others want, which is why they risk their lives to enter and enjoy the benefits of the West. Only, many of those that fled their homeland for a better life, yearn to turn their new home into their homeland.

The world is mad and becoming proudly madder.

Tokyo is gunning (ha) to buy the USS Arizona Memorial and turn it into a floating sushi restaurant.

Originally Posted by sabang

^ How? I guess I must have missed that statues of the 911 Terrorists are to placed in this community centre, and of course there is also the small matter that Park Place is not 'at' GZ anyway.

Even the boldest Islamist could figure that the mere mention of placing a mosque at GZ would awaken most Americans, and then it might turn real ugly.

For now they know America is only asleep at the wheel, not quite brain dead, so it's better to keep humming sweet lullabies about peace and harmony as they polish the blade.

Originally Posted by Wallalai

A muslim spreading love and tolerance recently near ground zero, I'm asking USA to give them more freedom. They really deserve it.

Look at how the moderate muslim passer by disagree with him, that's reassuring for sure.

These nut jobs have been around NYC for a couple of decades, normally they make camp around 42nd street so all the tourists can see them. Normal people give them a stare and keep walking

Originally Posted by Norton

As is the practice of politicians worrying more about getting elected than protecting the rights of it's citizens no matter how small the minority.

I am breaking with normal practice and posting before reading everything.

You need to read up first.....He decided not to run for reelection after the questions of interference with an investigation of problems with an aide

Originally Posted by mc2

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by mc2

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The majority of Americans are against this mega mosque at Ground Zero

Doesn't reflect too well on Americans in general if they think the actions of a few represent all Muslims.

Back up. Placing a Muslim Mega Mosque at Ground Zero is, bottom line, a clear provocation...end of story.

Garbage. Plenty of Muslims working, living and passing through that area. They have a right to have a place of worship in their own design as much as anyone else.

Its the intolerant, arrogant and overly sensitive objectors that should be brought into question.

Ok you do know that there is almost no housing in that area. It is all businesses and offices and that most places are closed on the weekends. People would have to make a specific trip to get there.

If built, the Muslims should fully expect this fine new prayer center to be vandalized, firebombed and attacked.

They understand this paradigm. That's how they roll.

Indeed, the stated reason for the WTC attack was unwelcomed foreign influence, intolerance and a we-could-give-a-damn-about-you attitude.

Precisely the same arrogance and pretentious attitude being displayed here.

I hope the backlash is spectacular.

Thanks for posting this Boonme. It's a great example why Americans can't trust the US military and all those who have connections to it. Timothy M. was a a soldier in the US Army. Using rightwing nutter logic, we must conclude that the terrorist T.McVeigh came from the Army so all Army personnel are potential terrorists.



When McVeigh bombed the government building, the press first blamed Muslims. That is a fact. A short while later the real terrorist was identified. All Army personnel should keep a good distance from that area. You just can't trust them.

Tokyo Rose, you're right. I'd say that if they want to build it there well there's a good chance that American terrorists will attack it. Personally, I think they are stupid to do it and are doing it to make a statement. But the muslims building it are Americans so they have that shove-it-you-face arrogance that all Americans have. Why would they be any different that other Americans about fighting for what they believe in.

America is out of control. It's own laws are failing it and its people.


On a side note, I think Bloomberg might see freedom of speech and religion as something quite important since when you start taking these away you get groups like the Nazis going further. Save a Muslim is to save a Jew or to save yourself. First it's the Muslims, then it's the Jews, then it's...

Originally Posted by sabang

I thought Harry Reid had already miraculously been assured of re-election by nutty Sharon Angle (obviously a Democrat plant). Still, gotta play safe I suppose, he's deep in flyover country.

Ya, she ain't my first choice there. Nice if she did bump Reid tho. Can she screw up any worse than Reid?

Originally Posted by sccrhound

I am breaking with normal practice and posting before reading everything.

You need to read up first.....He decided not to run for reelection after the questions of interference with an investigation of problems with an aide

Harry Reid? That's who we're talking about.