Thread: Islam Ctr Planned Next to Ground Zero

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ What happened to the towers then?

David Copperfield

Originally Posted by mc2

Plenty of evidence from samples taken on the ground.

Where is it?
Evidence of thermite would be very compelling.

Plus if you watch the videos of the building that was not hit by a plane, it goes down in freefall, that is, without any resistance whatsoever from underneath. Office fires (the official explanation) doesn't cause this, only a controlled demolition would break the structure in such a way to allow this to happen.

That video only shows the last 7 seconds of the WTC7 collapse. It doesn't show how the collapse of the east penthouse which caused the internal supports to collapse causing the building to fold into itself.
Also your video omits any views of the south side of the building which sustained the heavy damage from the debris of WTC1. All the firefighters on the the scene reported massive damage to the building and raging out of control fires.
So there is indeed plenty of evidence to support the "official" story and precious little evidence to support any conspiracy ideas.
You just whistling dixie laddie!

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

So there is indeed plenty of evidence to support the "official" story and precious little evidence to support any conspiracy ideas.
You just whistling dixie laddie!

Ok , so office fires and debris caused the building to collapse, in free-fall, directly into its own footprint. And you actually believe this ?

I don't, 700 architects and engineers don't, anyone with half a brain realises that this official story doesn't add up, but hey if you want to swallow any old bs they spoon feed you, go ahead be my guest

Oh, the mods deleted the post between Mr Earl's and mine; very naughty for not deleting my post and making it look as if I was commenting on Earl's.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by mc2

The 2nd youtube video I posted was in 2009 where 700 architects and engineers are saying it was exactly like a controlled demolition, and are demanding a more thorough investigation.

You probably should have posted the second vid first.
If indeed there is evidence of this "nano thermite" then they would be able to trace it as it's only made for defense contracts.
And they would have a lot of it and would have involved quite a few people in setting up the event.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ You made a valid point? You've scewed your argument once again and now are saying ALL Americans and ALL mozzies. Your logic fails, once again, because you change the premises.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

Better than average chance the towers did collapse as a direct result of the strike but I can't see how, given the massive damage to one side, they didn't fall to one side instead of straight down.

As I read, the engineers built the towers that way so if one fell, it would not damage surrounding bldgs. You ever see them blow up bldgs? They implode and go straight down.

So, news out today that the mozzie group does NOT own the whole bldg - it leases part from Con-Ed. How many more lies should we expect? Still, Con-Ed can't alter the contract, unless these jerks default.

Con Ed Will Not Block the Ground Zero Mosque, Despite Reports - DNAinfo.com

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Originally Posted by pickel

The Christian Right are some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet and are far from having any VALUES.

Ah! So you admit there are Christian lefties? Are they better than the Christian righties?

Originally Posted by sccrhound

Using Gettsburg is an insult to the memory of those who died there. Over 50,000 men died in that battle.

But they were soldiers who died at Gettysburg. The people killed on 9/11 were civilians. Three of my family fought at Gettysburg and I say it's OK to use the parallel for 9/11. I'm still waiting for reparation from the blacks my fam saved.

Reparations from enslaved blacks. You are quite a piece of work. The civil war was as much about power and control. 1860 was the tipping point where the north for the first time had a greater population and therefore would have more influence in Washington.

Originally Posted by mc2

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by mc2

G. Bushes brother, Marvin was on the board of directors from 1993-2000 for Securacom, the security company for these buildings.
Marvin P. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Right! Which means absolutely nothing without hard evidence. So where's the evidence of nano thermite?
It would be a fairly simple matter to trace such a material and find out who procured the material. Seems like a plot of this magnitude would difficult to keep quiet.
Also the calculated evil that such a plot mandates literally defies comprehension.

So where's the hard evidence? Without which you're simply whistling Dixie out of your......

Plenty of evidence from samples taken on the ground. Plus if you watch the videos of the building that was not hit by a plane, it goes down in freefall, that is, without any resistance whatsoever from underneath. Office fires (the official explanation) doesn't cause this, only a controlled demolition would break the structure in such a way to allow this to happen.

They need to do a public investigation into the security firms that had access to the buildings. Thats where they should start looking.

Please quote backup to this bullshit.

The holocaust didn't happen. Men never landed on the moon.....keep it up

Originally Posted by pickel

All Christian Americans follow ones that are murderers too.

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

1)If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Aren't you quoting the old testament?

Originally Posted by sccrhound

Originally Posted by mc2

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by mc2

G. Bushes brother, Marvin was on the board of directors from 1993-2000 for Securacom, the security company for these buildings.
Marvin P. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Right! Which means absolutely nothing without hard evidence. So where's the evidence of nano thermite?
It would be a fairly simple matter to trace such a material and find out who procured the material. Seems like a plot of this magnitude would difficult to keep quiet.
Also the calculated evil that such a plot mandates literally defies comprehension.

So where's the hard evidence? Without which you're simply whistling Dixie out of your......

Plenty of evidence from samples taken on the ground. Plus if you watch the videos of the building that was not hit by a plane, it goes down in freefall, that is, without any resistance whatsoever from underneath. Office fires (the official explanation) doesn't cause this, only a controlled demolition would break the structure in such a way to allow this to happen.

They need to do a public investigation into the security firms that had access to the buildings. Thats where they should start looking.

Please quote backup to this bullshit.

The holocaust didn't happen. Men never landed on the moon.....keep it up

No need to quote, use your common sense. You really think office fires caused that building to collapse ?
You got no idea about engineering do you, you just swallow any old crap they spoon-feed you eh ?

I suppose we were in the middle ages instead of 2010, and someone showed good evidence that the world was round, you'd be one of those screaming and shouting that the world was flat.

AE911Truth.org

Originally Posted by mc2

No need to quote, use your common sense. You really think office fires caused that building to collapse ?
You got no idea about engineering do you, you just swallow any old crap they spoon-feed you eh ?

I suppose we were in the middle ages instead of 2010, and someone showed good evidence that the world was round, you'd be one of those screaming and shouting that the world was flat.

AE911Truth.org

Nice try at deflecting your bullshit. If you are saying it was planned the post real documented proof

Originally Posted by sccrhound

Nice try at deflecting your bullshit. If you are saying it was planned the post real documented proof

The proof is that office fires don't make a modern building to collapse like that. Engineers know this. That's why there are 700+ engineers and architects calling for a public investigation. I already posted the link.

If we were living in the middle ages, not 2010, and a scientist said the world was round, you would probably be one of those to throw up your hands and point to the horizon and say "but, but..... look, its flat !"

Dunno, would you want a mosque next door to your home? I always got a hotel as far away from mosques when I was in Malaysia, mostly so I wasn't rudely awakened by the imam screeching over a scratchy loud speaker to announce prayer time.
Also, the possibility of violence. Wonder what they do to local property prices.
Anyhow, a bit of news:

FOXNews.com - Ground Zero Controversy Fueled Attacks on Texas Mosque, Islamic Center President Says

sccr hound, you are partly correct in that the Civil War started because Abe wanted the South to follow his rules over social and economic issues. The South told him to FO. Actually, Abe was a pretty sh*tty prez when you know more about him.

^

Nice one!!!

OMG! You mean standing up for anything other than ethnic and illegal people's rights are allowed now?

Check this out. Can the current US govt get any worse? Wait til this gets coverage today. Yikes.

WASHINGTON– State Department officials on Monday confirmed Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam of the so-called Ground Zero Mosque, will soon be going on a trip of the Middle East and the U.S. government will be picking up the tab.

Read more: US State Dept Sends Mosque Imam to Mideast

U'mm, right:-

“He is a distinguished Muslim cleric,” said State Department Spokesman P.J. Crowley. “We do have a program whereby, through our Educational and Cultural Affairs Bureau here at the State Department, we send people from Muslim communities here in this country around the world to help people overseas understand our society and the role of religion within our society.”

So the State Department sends some moderate Muslim clerics on trips to Muslim countries- whats so bad about that? For that matter, whos to say this is a policy unique to the Obama administration, the Fox article says nothing of the sort.

It certainly reinforces Rauf's credentials as a moderate, however.

^ Actually, I just heard that he was first sent over under the Bush govt. However, the man's views have shifted to a more radical stance, which underscores my belief that they put religion first, country second. Hate them more with each passing day.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

which underscores my belief that they put religion first, country second.

I would think if you asked any devoutly religious person, be they Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, or Scientoligist, their answer would always be religion first.

Fervent nationalism is as much of a scourge on humanity as is fundamentalism in religion. With both its very much the us vs them mentality, which is the perfect breeding ground for hate, war, etc. as evident by ^^

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

which underscores my belief that they put religion first, country second.

I would think if you asked any devoutly religious person, be they Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, or Scientoligist, their answer would always be religion first.

Oh, really? You have proof for that? ...Didn't think so.
I don't see the other religions bent on blowing up each other.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Actually, I just heard that he was first sent over under the Bush govt. However, the man's views have shifted to a more radical stance, which underscores my belief that they put religion first, country second. Hate them more with each passing day.

That is so interesting. I assume by that you are saying Muslims are natural traitors because they put the Almighty before country.

By that definition you have to extend that bullshit to the USMC.
Pretty much every reference I can find puts God before country.

One Marine's View: GOD-COUNTRY-CORPS I am a God

These are listed in order of priority for me

Military Christian News and Commentary

Serving God and country

May we now assume you hate the US marine corps?

Nope. Love the Marines. To the Marines I know, God and Country are one.