Thread: Islam Ctr Planned Next to Ground Zero

^ Good stuff, Booners. Thanks.

Tell me, mr Fred, If the Muslims go ahead with this construction and build this building. Do you believe it will survive for a few years or be destroyed?

Originally Posted by mc2

Thanks for that, yes I took him for a right wing Christian of sorts.

How did you ever get that idea?

Originally Posted by mc2

I like his ideas although I don't agree with his approach...

So you like his ideas regarding Islam! But don't like his well spoken articulate approach.

Originally Posted by mc2

There is plenty of evidence 9-11 was an inside job..

Those moronic conspiracy theories were debunked some time ago.

Do try to keep up

Perhaps the biggest focus is the insensitivity this shows. There are plenty of other places to build a mosque in NYC.
"Terrorist" right-wing groups, Fred? Like whom? How about those nice muslims who slaughtered the medical team of ten who hiked to mountainous rural villages in A-stan to provide crucial eye care for the poor people? Sorry, with each brutal murder like that, the more people hate muslims. You made a good choice moving to Indo.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by mc2

There is plenty of evidence 9-11 was an inside job..

Those moronic conspiracy theories were debunked some time ago.

Do try to keep up

You should keep up.

Those "debunking" theories were written in 2007. Plus it looks like it is written by a 14 year old pimply teenager.

The 2nd youtube video I posted was in 2009 where 700 architects and engineers are saying it was exactly like a controlled demolition, and are demanding a more thorough investigation.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Sorry, with each brutal murder like that, the more people hate muslims.

America has a pretty high murder rate, a lot of them quite brutal. Do you hate Americans more because of it Jet?

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Sorry, with each brutal murder like that, the more people hate muslims.

America has a pretty high murder rate, a lot of them quite brutal. Do you hate Americans more because of it Jet?

It is interesting to note that the total (estimated) numbers dead in Afghanistan (19,180) and Iraq (890,501) since the invasions are countered by 16,137 murders in the US in 2004 alone.

Perhaps a Muslim nation should invade to sort out US domestic issues.

Nope, picks, Americans don't run around in groups shouting Jesus and then kill a bunch of people for carrying a koran. As I know.
Yep, you should ask obama why the crime rate is so high, fred. You got linkies for your data? Hmm, what's America's pop? Split it down into ethnic/racial killings, pls. Perhaps all gun laws should be reinstated so lawful Americans can protect themselves. Better solution. At least there is a law against using women as chattel.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Nope, picks, Americans don't run around in groups shouting Jesus and then kill a bunch of people for carrying a koran. As I know.
Yep, you should ask obama why the crime rate is so high, fred. You got linkies for your data? Hmm, what's America's pop? Split it down into ethnic/racial killings, pls. Perhaps all gun laws should be reinstated so lawful Americans can protect themselves. Better solution. At least there is a law against using women as chattel.

The links are there for anyone to see.
As for the figures and Obama, was he in office in 2004?

As long noted, it's not just about the so-called "sacred ground" of the Twin Towers that has the Right Wing denying Constitutional guarantees to Moslims, is religeous bigotry and hatred--and the political use of hatred and bigotry. Want an example? Read below. Want a link? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/us/08mosque.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

While a high-profile battle rages over a mosque near ground zero in Manhattan, heated confrontations have also broken out in communities across the country where mosques are proposed for far less hallowed locations.
Christopher Berkey/Associated Press


In Murfreesboro, Tenn., arguments broke out over a planned Muslim center.


In Murfreesboro, Tenn., Republican candidates have denounced plans for a large Muslim center proposed near a subdivision, and hundreds of protesters have turned out for a march and a county meeting.
In late June, in Temecula, Calif., members of a local Tea Party group took dogs and picket signs to Friday prayers at a mosque that is seeking to build a new worship center on a vacant lot nearby.
In Sheboygan, Wis., a few Christian ministers led a noisy fight against a Muslim group that sought permission to open a mosque in a former health food store bought by a Muslim doctor.
At one time, neighbors who did not want mosques in their backyards said their concerns were over traffic, parking and noise — the same reasons they might object to a church or a synagogue. But now the gloves are off.
In all of the recent conflicts, opponents have said their problem is Islam itself. They quote passages from the Koran and argue that even the most Americanized Muslim secretly wants to replace the Constitution with Islamic Shariah law.
These local skirmishes make clear that there is now widespread debate about whether the best way to uphold America’s democratic values is to allow Muslims the same religious freedom enjoyed by other Americans, or to pull away the welcome mat from a faith seen as a singular threat.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Nope, picks, Americans don't run around in groups shouting Jesus and then kill a bunch of people for carrying a koran. As I know.

So you're only opposed to brutal murders when they are done by a Muslim?
You have failed to get my point once again. Are ALL Muslims doing that Jet? Are ALL Americans brutal murderers?

Originally Posted by mc2

The 2nd youtube video I posted was in 2009 where 700 architects and engineers are saying it was exactly like a controlled demolition, and are demanding a more thorough investigation.

You probably should have posted the second vid first.
If indeed there is evidence of this "nano thermite" then they would be able to trace it as it's only made for defense contracts.
And they would have a lot of it and would have involved quite a few people in setting up the event.

^ You made a valid point? You've scewed your argument once again and now are saying ALL Americans and ALL mozzies. Your logic fails, once again, because you change the premises.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by mc2

The 2nd youtube video I posted was in 2009 where 700 architects and engineers are saying it was exactly like a controlled demolition, and are demanding a more thorough investigation.

You probably should have posted the second vid first.
If indeed there is evidence of this "nano thermite" then they would be able to trace it as it's only made for defense contracts.
And they would have a lot of it and would have involved quite a few people in setting up the event.

G. Bushes brother, Marvin was on the board of directors from 1993-2000 for Securacom, the security company for these buildings.
Marvin P. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by mc2

G. Bushes brother, Marvin was on the board of directors from 1993-2000 for Securacom, the security company for these buildings.
Marvin P. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Right! Which means absolutely nothing without hard evidence. So where's the evidence of nano thermite?
It would be a fairly simple matter to trace such a material and find out who procured the material. Seems like a plot of this magnitude would difficult to keep quiet.
Also the calculated evil that such a plot mandates literally defies comprehension.

So where's the hard evidence? Without which you're simply whistling Dixie out of your......

Plenty of evidence from samples taken on the ground. Plus if you watch the videos of the building that was not hit by a plane, it goes down in freefall, that is, without any resistance whatsoever from underneath. Office fires (the official explanation) doesn't cause this, only a controlled demolition would break the structure in such a way to allow this to happen.

They need to do a public investigation into the security firms that had access to the buildings. Thats where they should start looking.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

If indeed there is evidence of this "nano thermite" then they would be able to trace it as it's only made for defense contracts.

They won't trace it because they have done their "enquiry" and "case-closed."
They need to reopen it with a public investigation.

^phooey!

Where did the money come from for the purchase of the old Burlington Building?The guy who bought it for 4.8 million was a waiter 4 years ago. I guess he was making really good tips.

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Nope, picks, Americans don't run around in groups shouting Jesus and then kill a bunch of people for carrying a koran. As I know.

So you're only opposed to brutal murders when they are done by a Muslim?
You have failed to get my point once again. Are ALL Muslims doing that Jet? Are ALL Americans brutal murderers?

All Americans don't follow a prophet who was a murderer, only Muslim Americans.

All Christian Americans follow ones that are murderers too.

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

1)If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Those horrible Christian fundamentalists have always been bad outlaws-

Psalm 58:10,11 "The godly shall rejoice in the triumph"

Zechariah 9:15 "They will taste victory and shout with triumph."



Seriously, religious nutters be they christian, muslims, hindus, sikhs whatever are the cause of more deaths in human history than anything else, and religion should be eradicated from official society, and left purely as a private matter within the four walls of your own home if you so desire, outside your own home any demands on special recognition of your private lunacy should be dismissed outright.

And if you and your fellow nutters want to build a clubhouse, you pay yourself no tax-deductions nothing and they have to be placed out of the way on the outskirts of city's preferably near major psychiatric hospitals, no advertising anywhere and no signs as it is dangerous for your mental health, and Children must be protected from the bad influence so no admittance in such clubs under the age of 21. ect ect.

The World has to rid itself of this plague preying on humanity.