Ukraine war mega thread

[Troy]

BS, Most in America have no clue about what is happening in Ukraine

I guess that includes you...

[bsnub]

That's why you will always remain Private Snubby...so full of war porn, you forget the larger picture.

You sound like sabang.

Who's next after Russia and Poland to give him the middle finger.

WTF are you blathering on about? You are you suffering from dementia?

I guess that includes you...

Utterly laughable. Have some war porn dumbass...



No valuable information in that.

SMH.

[bsnub]

The Black Sea fleet has been decapitated. Admiral Viktor Sokolov is smoked along with the commander of the group of Russian forces in the Zaporizhzhia direction, Alexander Romanchuk. The Chief of Staff, Lieutenant General Oleg Tsekov, is unconscious.

https://twitter.com/SythUK/status/1705305471316340999

As I said last week after Ukraine destroyed the S-400 complexes in that they were making Crimea untenable for the ruzzians. Now even more so.



But what do I know.

[bsnub]

The hits keep on coming...

[Norton]

Another source...
Budanov: 9 people killed in attack on Russia's Black Sea Fleet headquarters in Sevastopol | Ukrainska Pravda

[bsnub]

Another source...

It will all come out in the wash.

#Ukraine blew away 1.5yrs of Kremlin threats & Western fretting over ‘escalation’ in #Crimea this week. As Budanov put it: “Not everything is in (Russia’s) hands…& not everything is in the hands of other players on the world stage. A little depends on us”

https://twitter.com/berlin_bridge/st...88541529067731

[bsnub]

Ukrainian Forces have reportedly just broken through Russian defenses at Verbove, Zaporizhia. Morale on Russian mili channels right now is in the toilet.

https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status...00572097392766

According to TD's commanding general, the counteroffensive is already a failure. What do I know, I am just a private. Oh, also said that ATACMS was not coming.

[bsnub]

Bakhmut will fall soon. It is almost fully encircled by the AFU.

https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...00733117030714

[bsnub]

As I have been saying all along. The ruzzians in Zaporizhia have been heavily attrited and reconstituted many times, and this brigade is just another example of that...

The Ukrainian counteroffensive in western #Zaporizhia Oblast has likely destroyed the Russian 810th Naval Infantry Brigade (Black Sea Fleet). Elements of the brigade have reportedly been operating in the Zaporizhia direction since March 2023 and in w. Zaporizhia since June 2023.

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/st...86918787494245

A must-read...

Exclusive Interview With Ukraine’s Spy Boss From His D.C. Hotel Room

Exclusive Interview With Ukraine'''s Spy Boss From His D.C. Hotel Room

[OhOh]

Another source...
Budanov: 9 people killed in attack on Russia's Black Sea Fleet headquarters in Sevastopol | Ukrainska Pravda

Another, possible more knowledgeable, "source"

"About a hit on the building of Staff of Black Sea Fleet. Immediately for people who may have questions:

NOBODY IS in this building except for maintenance and guard crew.

During war time all C4 departments of the Staff operate out of ZKP (Запасной Командный Пункт--ЗКП)--a Reserve Command Post, which is underground and is very difficult to identify and attack. So, the attack is primarily for PR reasons, militarily it has a very low value, plus disruption of the civilian traffic in the area of Lenin's Street, Nakhimov's Square, Nakhimov's Ave and on the hill where the Staff and Rear Service of the Fleet are located."

Reminiscence of the Future... : ZKP.

It will all come out in the wash.

[Norton]

Another, possible more knowledgeable, "source"

Had a look at the site. Interesting collection of members. Snubs should join. Shake things up a bit.

[OhOh]

I dont suspect these, "knowledgeable" leaders, would last too long ther:

22.09.2023, 02:54


Zakharova: Ursula von der Leyen lied, blaming Russia for Hiroshima

"The way the President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, lies is disgusting and dangerous. This was stated by the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia Maria Zakharova, commenting on the speech of the head of the EC, who blamed the tragedy of Hiroshima on the Russian Federation.

During the presentation of the Atlantic Council award to Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, Ursula von der Leyen recalled that his family came from Hiroshima, and his relatives died there during the nuclear bombing.

"Not a word about the United States and the Washington executioners who dropped bombs on Japanese cities and civilians. But the person involved in the largest corruption scandals in the history of the EU went further - laid the tragedy of Hiroshima... to Russia," Maria Zakharova said.

The official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry quoted a statement by Ursula von der Leyen, in which it is claimed that Russia allegedly threatens to use nuclear weapons again. According to the EC Chairman, this is disgusting, dangerous and, in the context of Hiroshima, inexcusable.

"The way Ursula Von der Leyen lies is disgusting and dangerous," Maria Zakharova summed up.

Recall that Russian President Vladimir Putin noted that the United States is the only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons twice, destroying the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Thus, the United States, according to the head of state, has created a precedent.

"The United States is the only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons twice, destroying the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. By the way, we have set a precedent," Vladimir Putin said.

Earlier, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, addressing a message to all countries of the world in connection with the anniversary of the disaster in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, did not mention the United States, which dropped nuclear bombs on these Japanese cities.

Recalling the events of August 1945 and speaking about the modern nuclear threat, the text of the message did not touch on the topic of the culprit of the tragedy and the responsibility of the United States for the bombing."

Zakharova: Ursula von der Leyen lied, blaming Russia for Hiroshima - Pravda EN

[Troy]

^ Oh dear, that's really clutching at straws with deliberate misinterpretation.

The speech...



You can jump to around 6:45 to hear what she says.

[OhOh]

deliberate misinterpretation.

I'll pass on your opinion to the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry.



Moving on:

US Can’t Deal with Defeat

September 21, 2023

In the U.S., the strongest collective memory of America’s wars of choice is the desirability – and ease – of forgetting them. So it will be when we look at a ruined Ukraine in the rear-view mirror, writes Michael Brenner.

The United States is being defeated in Ukraine.

"One could say that it is facing defeat — or, more starkly, that it is staring defeat in the face. Neither formulation is appropriate, though. The U.S. doesn’t look reality squarely in the eye. It prefers to look at the world through the distorted lenses of its fantasies. It plunges forward on whatever path it’s chosen while averting its eyes from the topography it is trying to traverse. Its sole guiding light is the glow of a distant mirage. That is its lodestone.

It is not that America is a stranger to defeat. It is very well acquainted with it: Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria — in strategic terms if not always military terms. To this broad category, we might add Venezuela, Cuba and Niger. That rich experience in frustrated ambition has failed to liberate Washington from the deeply rooted habit of eliding defeat. Indeed, the U.S. has acquired a large inventory of methods for doing so.

Defining & Determining Defeat

Before examining them, let us specify what we mean by “defeat.” Simply put, defeat is a failure to meet objectives — at tolerable cost. The term also encompasses unintended, adverse second-order consequences.

No. 1. What were Washington’s objectives in sabotaging the Minsk peace plan and cold-shouldering subsequent Russian proposals, provoking Russia by crossing a clearly demarcated red line, pressing for Ukraine’s membership in NATO, installing missile batteries in Poland and Rumania, transforming the Ukrainian army into a potent military force deployed on the line-of-contact in the Donbass ready to invade or goad Moscow into preemptive action?

The aim was to either pin a humiliating defeat on the Russian army or, at least, to inflict such heavy costs as to cut the ground from under the Putin government.

The crucial, complementary dimension of the strategy was the imposition of economic sanctions so onerous as to implode a vulnerable Russian economy. Together, they would generate acute distress leading to the deposing of Russian President Vladimir Putin — whether by a cabal of opponents (disgruntled oligarchs as the spearhead) or by mass protest.

It was predicated on the fatally ill-informed supposition that Putin was an absolute dictator running a one-man show. The U.S. foresaw his replacement by a more pliable government ready to become a willing but marginal presence on the European stage and a non-player elsewhere. In the crude words of one Moscow official, “a tenant-farmer on Uncle Sam’s global plantation.”

No. 2. The taming and domestication of Russia was conceived as a vital step in the impending great confrontation with China — designated the systemic rival to U.S. hegemony. Theoretically, that objective could be achieved either by enticing Russia away from China (divide and subordinate) or totally neutralizing Russia as a world power by bringing down its stiff-backed leadership. The former approach never went beyond a few desultory, feeble gestures. All the chips were placed on the latter.

No. 3. Ancillary benefits for the United States from a war over Ukraine that would bring Russia low were a). to consolidate the Atlantic alliance under Washington’s control, expand NATO and open an unbridgeable abyss between Russia and the rest of Europe that would endure for the foreseeable future; b). to that end, the termination of the latter’s heavy reliance on energy resources from Russia; and c). thereby, substituting higher-priced LNG and petroleum from the United States that would seal the European partners’ status as dependent economic vassals. If the last were a drag on their industry, so be it.

The grandiose goals stated in No. 1 and No. 2 manifestly have proven unreachable — indeed, fanciful — a blunt truth not as yet absorbed by American elites. Those in No. 3 are consolation prizes of diminished value. This outcome was determined in good part, albeit not at all entirely, by the military failure in Ukraine.

We now are about to enter the final act. Kiev’s vaunted counter-offense has gone nowhere — at an enormous cost to the Ukrainian military. It has been bled white by massive losses of manpower, by the destruction of the greater part of its armor, by the ruin of vital infrastructure.

The Western-trained elite brigades have been mauled and there are no longer any reserves to throw into the battle. Moreover, the flow of weapons and ammunition from the West has slowed as U.S. and European stocks are running low (e.g. 155mm artillery shells).

The shortage is being aggravated by newfound inhibitions about sending Ukraine advanced weapons which have proven highly vulnerable to Russian fire. That holds especially for armor: German Leopards, British Challengers, French AMX-10-RC tanks as well as Combat Fighting Vehicles (CFV) like the American Bradleys and Strykers.

Graphic images of burnt-out hulks littering the Ukrainian steppe are not advertisements for either Western military technology or foreign sales. Hence, too, the slow-walking of deliveries to Kiev of the promised Abrams and F-16s lest they suffer the same fate.

Illusion of Eventual Success

The illusion of eventual success on the battlefield (with its envisaged wearing down of Russia’s will and capacity) is founded on a mistaken idea of how to measure winning and losing.

American leaders, military as well as civilian, are stuck to a model that emphasizes control of territory. Russian military thinking is different. Its emphasis is on the destruction of the enemy’s forces, by whatever strategy is suited to the prevailing conditions. Then, in command of the battlefield, they can work their will."

US Can’t Deal with Defeat

[OhOh]

The recent North Korean and Russian visits, leading to... ?

Fumio Kishida pledges that Japan will contribute $20M to help achieve a world without nuclear weapons.

Riyaz ul Khaliq |

20.09.2023 - Update : 20.09.2023

"Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida said Tuesday that he was ready to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un “at any time” as he sought to achieve a world without nuclear weapons.

Referring to Japan’s desire to resolve all issues with North Korea, including Pyongyang’s series of missile tests and its past abductions of Japanese civilians, Kishida told the ongoing UN General Assembly in New York City: “I would like to meet Kim Jong-un at any time without any conditions.”

Kishida said Japan wants to normalize relations with North Korea and added that he would "like to hold high-level talks under my direct supervision to realize a summit meeting at an early time."

Kishida, who hails from the atomic-bomb hit city of Hiroshima, said nuclear disarmament was his “life-long mission.”

Calling on nuclear weapons states to step up their engagement on nuclear disarmament, he announced that Japan will contribute 3 billion yen ($20 million) “to help achieve a world without nuclear weapons.”"

Kishida emphasized that engagement and dialogue with nuclear powered states on disarmament was key, saying “nuclear threats must be ended.”

The money will be spent on research and policymaking in disarmament, he said.

The world is at an historic inflection point, Kishida said, adding that the infringing of international law and changing of the status quo by force were “unacceptable” anywhere in the world.

“Aggression against Ukraine is yet to cease,” he said, urging Russia to respect its territorial integrity, which is a “fundamental principle for international law.”

Kishida said there is a “desperate desire for peace” and “we should work towards a world filled with peace and cooperation, not division.”

Backing strong and effective multilateralism, he stressed the need for a “world caring for human dignity…where (people) live in safety and security.”

In an increasingly divided world, “we need a common language,” he added.

“The international community can overcome divisions through human-centered international cooperation based on the concept of human security,” he said, calling for steps to avoid a food crisis.

On achieving net zero carbon emissions, Kishida said Asian nations remain key in this aspect.

Drawing lessons from COVID-19, he said the world “must be ready for the next infectious disease.”

Kishida said also that Japan would continue its efforts to reform the UN."

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacifi...ytime-/2996402

[OhOh]

[bsnub]

Had a look at the site. Interesting collection of members. Snubs should join. Shake things up a bit.

It is a clown car of vatnik useful idiots.

[bsnub]

Every day, the ruzzian moron continues to attrit itself, leaving defensive positions to be slaughtered.

Russian forces continue to expend significant combat power on counterattacking to hold their current positions and appear to be resisting the operationally sound course of action of falling back to prepared defensive positions further south.

Tonight's report covers a very dynamic situation in the ongoing UKR counteroffensive near Orikhiv in w. Zaporizhia. The tactical situation is likely changing rapidly & it's too soon to forecast if UKR will achieve an operational breakthrough in the sector

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/st...49185613959606

[helge]

Pickel will love this one:

(4035) standing ovation for nazi in canadian parliament - YouTube

The speaker of Canada’s House of Commons has apologised to Jewish communities after honouring a veteran who fought for a military unit under Nazi command during World War Two.Anthony Rota had invited his fellow MPs to give a standing ovation to Yaroslav Hunka, 98, following Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s address to Parliament on Friday.Mr Rota introduced Mr Hunka as a war hero who fought for “Ukrainian independence against the Russians”.

I'm sorry, Canada

Really

[helge]

^

The speaker of Canada’s House of Commons has apologised to Jewish communities after honouring a veteran who fought for a military unit under Nazi command during World War Two.Anthony Rota had invited his fellow MPs to give a standing ovation to Yaroslav Hunka, 98, following Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s address to Parliament on Friday.Mr Rota introduced Mr Hunka as a war hero who fought for “Ukrainian independence against the Russians”.

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[pickel]

^
You won't get any support from me for Trudeaus failures.

[bsnub]

Another source...

It will all come out in the wash.

[helge]

You won't get any support from me for Trudeaus failures.

Only taking the piss

Hardly your fault, that your parliament embarrassed itself. A lot

Kind of unbelievable, isn't it ?

[bsnub]

Kind of unbelievable, isn't it ?

Who cares. Just another dumb distraction from you, Helga.

[helge]

Who cares.

Want a guess...or two ?

It's kind of about Ukraine


Post some maps