Ukraine war mega thread

[Neverna]

^

I bet that came as a surprise to many!

That was in reply to Helge's Kamala Harris video post.

[helge]

Covers the headline for the Sachs interview rather perfect also

[Norton]

Dementia seems to be contagious

Pick, pick, pick....Aside from the slip of putting the word "north" in there she was mostly right.

[OhOh]

The ruzzians are getting desperate for ammunition, which is why he is meeting with rocket man in Vladivostok.

An indication of escalation ability, if required, in Russia's east.

Japan, South Korea, Oz, Taiwan, Philippines Australia ..... may review their status as disposable NaGaStan proxies, a la Ukraine.

Many iffs and buts, but a folly to be dismissed?

The Transfer of a Russian ICBM to North Korea?

August 17, 2023, by Theodore Postol

Russia’s multi-warhead intercontinental ballistic missile Topol-M (SS-27 Mod 2) and North Korea’s recently test-fired “Hwasong-18” (right). (Russia MoD and KCNA)


"Key Findings:


North Korea’s Hwasong-18 ICBM and its July 12, 2023 successful launch is likely the result of technical cooperation sourced to Russia.

Unlike the North Korean liquid propellant ICBMs which North Korea has demonstrated over the past few years, the sudden appearance of a solid fueled ICBM occurred only months after a horizontal engine test. This test demonstrated that the Hwasong-18 can deliver substantial payloads to intercontinental ranges along with decoy canister countermeasures. The sudden appearance of these advanced capabilities is difficult to explain without cooperation from the Russian government and its scientists.

The reported physical dimensions and flight trajectory data of the Hwasong-18 is nearly identical to that of the Russian Topol-M ICBM (SS-27 Mod 2).

This missile is equipped to penetrate existing U.S. ballistic missile defenses with countermeasures and deliver multiple thermonuclear weapons to targets in the continental United States. A Hwasong-18 missile force will require the U.S. to consider additional concepts for missile defense including the use of airborne drone interceptors (“airborne patrol”).

A transfer of this ICBM or its related technology from Russia would violate an unwritten international protocol to both refrain from and prevent transferring nuclear strike capabilities to other parties.

The July 2023 visit by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to DPRK to attend the 70th anniversary of the Korean war armistice, and the personal audience with Kim Jong-un, is only the latest manifestation of growing Russian-DPRK ties that include the transfer of munitions in support of Russia’s war in Ukraine and Russian food and energy transfers to the North in return. This potential transfer of the Topol-M missile or its technology would take cooperation between Moscow and Pyongyang against the U.S. and Indo-Pacific allies to a new and more dangerous level.

The Hwasong-18 and the Topol-M ICBM

On July 25, 2023 Russia’s Defense Minister, Sergei Shoigu, landed in Pyongyang. He was met at his plane by his North Korean counterpart, Kang Sun Nam, and the next day, he met with North Korea’s leader Kim Jong-un.

The Russian Defense Ministry simultaneously announced that one purpose of Shoigu’s visit was to “help strengthen Russian-North Korean military ties … in the development of cooperation between the two countries.”

What has so far been unrecognized in the West, is that this meeting is only one indicator of how far beyond previously forbidden political boundaries Russia has gone with this new initiative.

The real issue is a radical departure from past political practice by Russia if it has chosen to transfer to North Korea an advanced 50-ton solid propellant ICBM, the Topol-M, also known as the SS-27.

The key concern is that unlike the North Korean liquid propellant ICBMs we have seen over the last few years, this particular ICBM could not possibly have come into the hands of the North Koreans without the full support and cooperation of the Russian government. In addition, North Korea could not maintain and operate Topol-M ICBMs without substantial cooperation and training from the Russian government and its scientists. As such, the sudden appearance of the Hwasong-18 in North Korea cannot be ignored as simply “business as usual.”

The Topol-M can deliver multiple thermonuclear bombs to the continental United States, and since North Korea has demonstrated in nuclear underground tests that it has thermonuclear weapons, it now has the ability to deliver these thermonuclear bombs to the continental United States. Further, its new ICBM, called the Hwasong-18 by North Korea, is fully capable of carrying and deploying multiple bombs and decoy countermeasures that will defeat any missile defenses currently being operated and modernized by the United States.

What is also likely, but not yet known for sure, is whether the guidance system on the Hwasong-18 also provides it with sufficient accuracy, perhaps a few thousand feet (roughly 300 to 400 meters) to allow North Korea to target U.S. cities with sufficient accuracy to assure the destruction of city centers .........

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At this time, we do not yet have any special insights into the wide-ranging, unpredictable and complex political implications of this singular but deeply disturbing development. This should be a matter of greatest concern to the U.S. national security establishment."

Continues at:

The Transfer of a Russian ICBM to North Korea? - Beyond Parallel

[OhOh]

Some interesting options for Russia:

"Sources tell me that Russia has significant problems .....


1. They are currently overwhelmed with Iranian drones.... who keep clogging their supply lines...


2. They are currently overwhelmed with volunteers... fully trained by the Chechens... fully clogging their manpower rotations.


3. They have too many precision loitering birds... individual units are fighting for the chance to kill specific tanks to claim the reward.


4. They are overwhelmed by Ukie solders seeking to surrender... they simply don't have enough manpower to process them.

5. They have too much food, ammo, supplies... they can't store it all!


Bloody obnoxious Russians, they really don't want to fight or win this war. That is their prerogative, but resource wastage is a sin. The prisoners can all be shipped to gulags which they will construct themselves, guarded by the excess Chechen trained forces. Just weld the prisoners into railwagons and send them to Siberia. The prisoners can piss and shit through holes in the railwagon floors onto the train tracks and get fed and watered once a day. At the gulags the prisoners who survived the journey can be trained to make equipment of some type, there are lots of soldiers with one leg who can train them, Russia has a shortage of artisans right now. Those prisoners who don't want to comply can be fed to the bears and wolves, the Chechen trained volunteers won't have a problem with that.

Since the Ukies are using kids in the armed forces now, so can the Russians. But the Russian kids should be there to use up the excess drones.

Give a group of teenage chaps say 2000 drones and tell them to use them up during the next 24 hours destroying anything behind enemy lines they want.

Pretty soon the teenagers would be requiring 10000 drones a day. These days with lidar and ground penetrating radar anything beneath trees can easily be mapped out and modeled.

The teenagers could be assigned the task of hitting a series of trench lines with thousands of drones in a 24 hour period, assuming the Russians want to occupy those trench lines that is."

[bsnub]

^

You have to be a fucking idiot to believe any of that fantasy. You really are a massive clown, OhDoh. The reality...

[Troy]

^^ made me chuckle...

[OhOh]

Oh Dear.



The Russian Armed Forces destroyed the second Challenger 2 tank in the SVO zone: how many of them are left

In the special operation zone, the Russian Armed Forces were able to destroy the second British Challenger 2 tank. Will Russia be able to pick up the damaged equipment and how many such vehicles are left in the APU?

Alexander Yeliseyev

September 8, 2023

"The Russian army destroyed the second British Challenger 2 tank in the Zaporozhye region as part of a special operation, acting head of the region Yevgeny Balitsky said. How many such combat vehicles do the Ukrainian Armed Forces still have?

Balitsky noted that in total, about seven British tanks of this model were counted in the region. The Russian Defense Ministry has not yet commented on this information.

"[Challenger 2 tanks] are about seven in number. Our "birds" see them. Four are now standing near Stepnogorsk, two in Orekhov. And two came out, they worked on them "Cornet", - said Balitsky.

According to him, the APU is most likely not able to recover the damaged tanks due to their large weight. The acting Governor of Zaporizhia region explained that the combat vehicles will be displayed in the museum. He also added that at present, British armored vehicles practically do not show themselves on the battlefield.

How and when was the first Challenger 2 destroyed in the SVO zone


On September 5, the Russian Armed Forces destroyed a British-made Challenger 2 tank for the first time during a special operation in Ukraine. According to the Telegram channel "Military Chronicle", the car was in service with the 82nd separate airborne assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It was reported that the Challenger 2 was hit by Russian artillery in clashes near Rabochino in the Zaporozhye direction. The Russian Defense Ministry did not comment on this information.

British Defense Minister Grant Shapps confirmed on September 6 that the Russian Armed Forces destroyed the first Challenger 2. According to him, London is not going to transfer a new tank to replace the destroyed one to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Journalists of The Guardian wrote that since the release of the first Challenger 2 tank, not a single unit of this equipment has been lost in battles with the enemy. A partial exception was the case that occurred in Iraq in 2003, when a car was hit by friendly fire. According to experts of the publication, this is due to the fact that there are only a small number of such armored vehicles in the world.

How many Challenger 2 tanks are left in the Ukrainian Armed Forces
Military expert Alexey Leonkov in an interview with NEWS.ru I noticed that the main vulnerability of the British tank is the side projection. According to him, the Russian Armed Forces know exactly where to strike.

"There are no invulnerable tanks. Everyone has zones where they need to shoot, and they know about it. The most famous area is the side projection. Despite the fact that additional protection can be installed there, there are tandem ammunition that work on this protection and burn through the armor with a charge, an explosion occurs. 14 tanks were sent, minus two, there are 12 left, " he said.

Leonkov stressed that the first Challenger 2 was hit by an anti-tank rocket from the Kornet installation. The expert added that these tanks were distinguished by the fact that no one seriously opposed them before the servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces."

https://news-ru.turbopages.org/news....ko-ih-ostalos/

[helge]

Pick, pick, pick....Aside from the slip of putting the word "north" in there she was mostly right.

Yes
Just a one word slip.

But in this instance pretty much comparable to you saying "no" at the alter.

"Just a word "

[helge]

made me chuckle..

I might read it then

[OhOh]

Some movement ?

Military operation in Ukraine , 08 Sep, 17: 16 19 490

Bild learned about the" secret letter " of the UN Secretary-General to Lavrov on the grain deal

Bild: UN agrees to Russia's terms for grain deal

"The proposals for the resumption of the grain deal, which the UN Secretary-General sent to the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, take into account the requirements of Russia, writes Bild with reference to the document. Among them is the creation of a subsidiary of Rosselkhozbank to circumvent EU sanctions

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres wrote a "secret letter" to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, in which he proposed an action plan for resuming the grain deal. About it with reference to the document writes Bild.

In the letter, Guterres suggests that Lavrov conclude an agreement between the UN Secretariat and the Russian Federation based on the "four cornerstone principles" that will help restore the Black Sea Initiative — an agreement on the safe export of Ukrainian grain from the ports of Odessa, Chernomorsk and Yuzhny. According to the newspaper, these principles meet all the requirements previously put forward by Russia.

So, according to Bild, Guterres proposed the following four steps::

Create a subsidiary in Luxembourg for the sanctioned Russian Agricultural Bank called RSHB Capital SA, which can be used to make payments via SWIFT. Bild writes that the responsible body of the European Commission confirmed to the publication its readiness to take this step and allow transactions to the "daughter" of the Russian state bank.

Establish a separate insurance company that will cover the risks of ships transporting Russian food and fertilizers, and thus insure them against attacks from Ukraine in the Azov and Black Seas. According to the newspaper, an insurance company that can, among other things, take risks for damage to third parties, can be created with the participation of the UN itself and the insurer Lloyd's. Lloyd's told the publication that they have no comments on this topic.

The UN is also ready to act as a mediator in the issue of returning assets frozen in EU countries to Moscow, Bild points out. To do this, Guterres asked Lavrov to provide a list of specific Russian accounts or assets, so that the organization could apply with this list to the EU authorities and the authorities of specific countries where these assets are located. The letter also says that Russian fertilizer companies should apply to the relevant EU national authorities "with appropriate exceptions," according to Bild.
Guterres also suggested that Russian ships carrying food and fertilizers should be allowed to access EU ports through obtaining operational port permits. According to him, the UN has already held talks on this issue with the European Commission, as well as with the authorities of a number of countries, including Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands and Spain.

The German Foreign Ministry told the newspaper that restrictive measures for Russian ships in the ports of this country remain in force, but noted that they are "making efforts" to renew the Black Sea grain Agreement and "maintain contacts" on this issue with the UN.

The European Commission told the newspaper that the current sanctions provide for exceptions that allow Russian ships to enter EU ports if it is necessary to buy, import or transport agricultural products and foodstuffs.

According to Bild, Russia is currently studying the UN proposals.

The UN did not respond to the newspaper's request for Guterres ' letter.

RBC sent a request to the Information and Press Department of the Russian Foreign Ministry and the press Secretary of the UN Secretary-General.

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/08/09/20...7947428421e364

[helge]

Create a subsidiary in Luxembourg for the sanctioned Russian Agricultural Bank called RSHB Capital SA, which can be used to make payments via SWIFT.

The UN is also ready to act as a mediator in the issue of returning assets frozen in EU countries to Moscow, Bild points out. To do this, Guterres asked Lavrov to provide a list of specific Russian accounts or assets, so that the organization could apply with this list to the EU authorities and the authorities of specific countries where these assets are located.

Even for Bild this sounds like some journo has been on the hash pipe.

And then again: What happens in the corridors, often isn't pretty

[Troy]

I might read it then

Nah, better just to skip past it.

[David48atTD]

Hello Elon C*nt ... apparently turned off his Starlink Internet capacity as it passed over the Crimea peninsula ... at the 13.55 min mark.

Disliked the prick before, hate him now.

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On the lighter side, check out the story at the 15.20 min mark ...

[bsnub]

The Russian Armed Forces destroyed the second Challenger 2

More of your bullshit. Only one was destroyed when it first hit a mine and then was finished off by a lancet. Keep posting your propaganda moron.

Disliked the prick before, hate him now.

He is scum and has the blood of civilians on his hands. Fortunately, he will not be able to do that again after the US government but the smack down on him. I posted a more detailed article in the other thread.

[bsnub]

Lots of shit going on on the battlefield. Ukraine is pressing hard south of Robotnye and things are especially bad outside the south of Bahkmut in Klishchiivka where the ruzzians have been decimated and were forced to retreat.

I want to make it clear, if ruzzia loses Tokmak in the coming weeks it has lost all of Zaporizhia oblast. Tokmak is an essential logistical hub, and it is under full artillery fire control of the AFU and word is that the ruzzians have started to loot the city, a clear indication that they intend to retreat as they did the same thing in Kherson.

Lastly, it looks like ATACMS are coming into the theater. When they arrive, Crimea will become untenable for the ruzzians. The Kerch Bridge and the Black Sea fleet will be annihilated.

[Troy]

The Russian army destroyed the second British Challenger 2 tank

Oryx was quite quick in confirming the first loss but hasn't confirmed a second being lost. The only site I found reporting a second loss was BNN, but I trust that as much as I trust Skiddy.

There are no invulnerable tanks.

Exactly, so it is no surprise that different tanks are being destroyed on the battlefield. However, I was surprised to see the video of it being struck in daylight on a road. I can only think that it had been rendered immobile by a mine and abandoned before being struck. This is in line with most of the reports I have read.

[Pragmatic]

I can only think that it had been rendered immobile by a mine and abandoned before being struck

Another possibility is that it broke down. The crew then abandoned it and gave the Ukrainian artillery it's GPS location and they destroyed it to prevent it falling into Russian hands.

[helge]

I can only think that it had been rendered immobile by a mine and abandoned before being struck. This is in line with most of the reports I have read.

Could very well be
Why not ?

Is it important ?

Another possibility is that it broke down.

It's british !

The crew then abandoned it and gave the Ukrainian artillery it's GPS location and they destroyed it to prevent it falling into Russian hands.

Also possible

I want to make it clear

Hello Elon C*nt ... apparently turned off his Starlink Internet capacity as it passed over the Crimea peninsula ... at the 13.55 min mark.

And if it isn't correct, you'll offer an apology ?

Disliked the prick before, hate him now.

Good for you, David

Let him suffer

[Troy]

Could very well be
Why not ?

Is it important ?

It's british !

No, that wasn't what I had in mind. I was more concerned how Ukraine were using the tanks than where they originated. We've seen how Russia has managed to lose a lot due to incorrect tactics and hope Ukraine were trained to use better tactics.

So, yes it is important how the tanks have been lost in that lessons can be learned.

[bsnub]

I can only think that it had been rendered immobile by a mine and abandoned before being struck.

That is exactly what happened, the crew survived. They struck a mine and then a lancet drone came along and finished it off. Unfortunate, but these things happen in war.

[helge]

Rumour has it that Ukraine is about to declare war

[bsnub]

In the eastern outskirts of Novoprokopivka, the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are like on a training ground. The operational space is without mines. The Russian 1430 regiment equipped with T-55 according to sources, is no longer on the planet. The Armed Forces are advancing

https://twitter.com/Neptune_Fella/st...28410433147262

It is only a matter of time before these heavily attrited ruzzian units collapse. Soon they will be fully rolled up on their eastern flank. The screws are tightening.

[Troy]

Continually underestimating Russia, as a fighting force, is starting to get very tiresome.

[OhOh]

12 Sep, 2023 11:08

HomeWorld News

We won’t let Ukrainian grain in – Polish PM


Mateusz Morawiecki has insisted Warsaw will reject any demand the product be sold in the country.

"Warsaw will not allow Ukrainian grain to “flood” the Polish market, Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki has vowed ahead of deliberations in the EU on whether to extend an existing trade restriction.

The government puts the interests of Polish farmers first and will not allow cheap Ukrainian products to disrupt the domestic agriculture industry again, Morawiecki declared in a video address posted on social media on Tuesday.

“The EU is now considering whether to maintain the embargo. I’ll tell you how it ends. Poland will not allow Ukrainian grain to flood us. Regardless of what the decision of Brussels officials will be, we will not open the border,” he declared.

The European Parliament is set to debate on Friday the expiration of the EU’s ban on importing Ukrainian grain into five Eastern European members of the bloc. The measure was imposed in May, de facto legitimizing national prohibitions by Poland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, and Slovakia.

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has stated that failure by the EU to lift the ban as Kiev was promised would be a betrayal of “European values.” In such a case, the Ukrainian government intends to seek arbitration in international organizations, he said last week.

Kiev has reportedly chosen the World Trade Organization (WTO) as the venue for any potential legal battle with Brussels. Polish Minister for EU Affairs Szymon Szynkowski vel Sek has described Kiev’s position as “a threat” that goes “beyond the certain boundaries of classical diplomacy.”

Brussels lifted quotas and tariffs from Ukrainian exports in the early weeks of Kiev’s armed conflict with Moscow in a bid to support the Zelensky government. The policy backfired on Eastern European nations, however, which faced mass protests by local farmers.

The EU’s ban had shut the markets of the five nations to Ukrainian wheat, corn, sunflower seeds and rapeseed, but allowed transit of the goods to continue. However transportation costs cut into the profits of the firms that own Ukrainian farms.

According to an Oakland Institute study released in February, Ukrainian farmlands are predominantly controlled by “foreign interests” either directly or through foreign-registered companies run by local oligarchs."

We won’t let Ukrainian grain in – Polish PM — RT World News