Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

Oh look, a useful idiot posts up a video of another useful idiot calling for Ukraine to cede territory. Like most vatnik scumbags, he is a lying sack of shit.

Max Blumenthal

American journalist (not really), author and blogger who is the editor of The Grayzone website, which is known for spreading conspiracy theories and engaging in denial of atrocities committed by dictatorial regimes. He is a regular contributor to Russian state-owned Sputnik and RT, and has been accused of spreading Russian propaganda.

So more complete shit.

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Anyone that buys into the lies that Blumenthal spreads is nothing short of a complete moron.

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BAKHMUT AXIS /0100 UTC 1 JUL/ UKR has achieved several significant advances in the Bakhmut Area of Operations. It is reported that more than a hundred RU troops surrendered after a UKR penetration at Klischiivka on 30 JUN.

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ORIKHIV AXIS /2310 UTC 30 JUN/ A series of contacts south of the H-30 HWY indicate that UKR forces engaged and pursued a RU task element as many as 10 kilometers south into occupied territory. Developing.

[Hugh Cow]

The 16% governments have decided to prioritise military expenditure rather than their own citizens needs, not the Russian government.

There are those high up in the 16% that are looking at future employment in such companies.

Or maybe you are unaware of the established revolving doors?

And you are unaware of being a brainwashed fuking idiot. You no doubt would give the same argument when the Germans were invading the whole of europe. Are you even dimly aware that most european countries decreased their military spending at the end of the cold war? The lights on but there's nobody home. I do realise you cant fathom that buying military hardware does not win votes in many democracies as you are a blatant supporter of murderous dictators.

[Hugh Cow]

Am I ?

What is it that you have called me so often ?

For using my free speech, I am a "Putin Cum Guzzler".

Isn't that so ?

Well, I find your fascination with videos of dead and dying young men, worrying.

Your "war hobby" seems to have wandered off into obsession.


I have found it somewhat rude of you to ascertain that I ...guzzle Putins sperm....even at the quite significant distance between us , but can't remember that I ever got sad or unhappy by your childish rhetoric.

But seems that I got the Bullseye, when I asked if you wanked to your War Porn.

You really are perverted.

The problem is you use your right to free speech to support a murderous and corrupt dictator who has systematically killed and imprisoned people for using the thing that you apparently value so highly, free speech and what is more concerning is you apparently see no logical conflict.

[helge]

The problem is you use your right to free speech to support a murderous and corrupt dictator

Ah for fuck sake man.

You mean that by speaking my piece on a regime, that I despise for all it's "nationalism" and corruption. Ukraine !





And by using my, until further notice, free speech to address the faults and hidden agendas of the "west", I am supporting a dictator?

Is that directly or indirectly or just because it confuses gullible types like you, that not everybody closes ranks ?



I gave BSnuff exactly what he asked for.

He is a self-admitted shitposter and that you aren't in opposition to the perv is your problem.


So stick your logic and show me where I praised Putin

[OhOh]

And you are unaware of being a brainwashed fuking idiot

I am aware that some TD posters have different opinions to mine on this topic.

Some TD posters, that have different opinions to mine, may be considered to also be a "brainwashed fuking idiot".

Whether you or other TD posters, choose to or not, to express their opinions of other TD posters so childishly as you, I will leave it to them.

[bsnub]

You mean that by speaking my piece on a regime, that I despise for all it's "nationalism" and corruption. Ukraine !

That is because you are totally brainwashed by ruzzian propaganda. You post up a video of utterly laughable liars like Max Blumenthal and you are stupid enough to believe the crap he spews. He was full of shit back when sabang was posting his drivel, and he is full of shit now. You really look a fool when you regurgitate his talking points like the useful idiot you are.

free speech to address the faults and hidden agendas of the "west", I am supporting a dictator?

You are not addressing anything, mostly you are just regurgitating. Just about all of which are falsehoods.

He is a self-admitted shitposter and that you aren't in opposition to the perv is your problem.

You are really flexing your intellectual muscles with that one. What a clown.

So stick your logic and show me where I praised Putin

You are his useful idiot who pushes his propaganda, and that is clearly and undeniably showing praise vatnik.

You are jut too stupid to realize it.

[bsnub]

If some of the names in this article are familiar to some, these are the same bozo's that Sabang used to quote.

During the Cold War, the Soviets would place defectors from the West under house arrest as soon as they arrived in Russia. The assumption was that, as soon as they realized what a dump the USSR was, they would try to sneak back home. And they were probably right. Still, it’s a credit to the Soviet propaganda machine that they showed up in the first place.

Back then, Russia did a great job of marketing itself. They paid top dollar to seduce high-ranking scientists and intelligence officials, while young radicals lined up to do the Kremlin’s bidding. Their disinformation was second to none.

And today? Well, put it this way. Last week, Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said that Ukraine’s Jewish president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is a Nazi. “Wise Jewish people say that the most ardent antisemites are usually Jews,” Lavrov explained. Vladimir Putin then had to take a break from his invasion of Ukraine to call Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett and apologize for his minister’s insensitive remarks.

This is one aspect of the Putin regime that isn’t talked about nearly enough: its unbelievably bad propaganda machine. For a major world power, Russia is uniquely bad at managing its self-image.

For instance, the Kremlin is extremely invested in the idea that Ukraine is teeming with neo-Nazis. It’s not just Lavrov. Putin also used his Victory Day speech to draw parallels between the Soviets’ war against the Third Reich and his own “special military operation.” And if you read Russian state media, you’ll hear all about the Azov Battalion, a 900-man division of the Ukrainian national guard that’s allegedly poised to take over the whole country.

If it sounds absurd, that’s because it is.

What’s funny is that even Russia’s allies don’t bother toeing that line. As soon as Russian tanks crossed the border, countries like Cuba, North Korea, and Iran blamed the United States for provoking Moscow. None of them mentioned Azov.

And yet, if you check out the Kremlin’s shills in the West, all they can talk about is this “Zelenskyy is Hitler” meme. Are those the orders that came down from Moscow? Or are they just bad at their jobs?

Either way, they’re definitely bad at their jobs.

Take Graham Phillips, the British civil servant-turned-Kremlin flak. He’s currently touring Ukraine as an honored guest of the Russian army. Members of the British government have accused him of war crimes for “interviewing” (interrogating) an Anglo-Ukrainian prisoner of war. Mr. Phillips is a small, strange-looking, and unpleasant — just about the worst possible profile given that he calls himself “the most honest journalist in the world,” though even his mother can’t possibly believe that.

And what about Gonzalo Lira? The Dartmouth alum got his start as a minor celebrity in the manosphere, marketing himself as a pickup artist. He was already living in Ukraine when Russia invaded and gained a wider audience by offering pro-Russia commentary on his YouTube channel “Coach Red Pill.” A spokesman for the Russian foreign ministry recently referred to Mr. Lira as a “famous film director,” though everyone who isn’t on the Kremlin’s payroll would probably prefer “obscure, Very Online weirdo.”

Or take Scott Ritter, the former U.N. weapons inspector who became a fixture of the anti-war movement. Mr. Ritter’s career bottomed out in 2011, when he was caught exposing himself to a police officer posing as a fifteen-year-old girl online. Mr. Ritter had never been an A-lister, but after going to jail for trying to sext a child, his career was basically over. So, of course, that made him a prime recruit for Russia Today, the Kremlin’s mouthpiece in Western media. Mr. Ritter also uses his platform to parrot Kremlin talking points about Ukrainian Nazis.

My favorite, though, is Russell Bonner Bentley III, a.k.a. Comrade Texas. A former pot dealer from the Lone Star State, Mr. Bentley moved to Donetsk in 2014, and has been working to make the Donbas part of Russia ever since. A video of Comrade Texas (which is still surprisingly obscure) shows him standing in front of a line of Russian tanks dressed in a leather jacket and Mao cap.

“It’s Texas on the front line with the de-Nazifiers and liberators of Ukraine,” he announces, before promising, “These guys are going to save and liberate all the good people of Ukraine. And the bad people? Boom! Kick their ass.”

What real value could any of these people possibly have for the Russian government? In terms of exporting Putin’s ideology, they’re useless. Actually, they’re worse than useless. Almost all of Russia’s American shills, like Max Blumenthal, use “right-wing” as a swear word.

Speaking of Russia Today, you would think Putin’s mouthpiece in the West would be… well, Putinist. In fact, the opposite is true. Its journalists are your typical American thirty-somethings. They’re all skinny and soft and vaguely left-wing, like Blumenthal. RT has always aligned itself with trendy social-justice movements like Occupy Wall Street, Wikileaks, and Black Lives Matter.
The Kremlin’s logic here is pretty obvious. They want to sow divisions in American society by highlighting government corruption, economic inequality, and civil strife. But if CNN can’t do the job, what makes RT think they stand a chance?

Russia Today might have done its masters some good had they positioned themselves a little to the right of Fox News. A traditionalist, nationalist, masculinist network would have done well in this media market. Instead, the Kremlin put all its eggs in the I’m-progressive-but-I-hate-America-so-much-I-actually-love-Putin basket.

The only question is, why? Why has Putin showed no interest in spreading his ideology? Why has the Kremlin basically ignored its natural allies, like paleocons and Orthobros? Why is its propaganda machine in overdrive with this stupid, pointless story about Ukraine becoming the Fourth Reich?

The answer, I think, is that Putin really has no interest in making friends abroad. He’s a pure nationalist. Russian power is his ideology.

The Zelenskyy-as-Hitler meme is really only supposed to galvanize the Russian base. (If you want to get the Russkies ginned up, tell them they’re fighting Nazis.) They don’t care if foreigners believe it or not.

Freelance shills like Phillips, Lira, Ritter, and Blumenthal aren’t there to spread Russian disinformation in the West. They only exist to make it seem like “independent” Western journalists are corroborating the Russian government’s lies.

Actually, Moscow probably thinks that exporting Putinism would help the United States. That’s why they won’t even try. They have no interest in strengthening their geopolitical rivals. That would be contrary to everything Putin believes in. That’s also why outlets like RT lean left. The Kremlin thinks progressive politics will hurt America.

What’s amazing is that Moscow really seems to believe that its methods will work. They believe future historians will talk about Putin’s ingenious campaign to bring down the American government from within via clever investments in digital media. Personally, I don’t see it working out. But what do I know? I get my news from The Spectator.

https://thespectator.com/topic/why-a...at-their-jobs/

Here are some more links to an article that into more depth about Blumenthal and some of the other useful idiots...

https://ms.detector.media/trendi/post/30269/2022-09-16-dossier-in-the-grey-zone-how-did-an-american-journalist-turn-into-a-pro-russian-propagandist/

https://www.thebulwark.com/the-redpi...-gonzalo-lira/

https://alhamra.medium.com/did-maxbl...y-9c78a7881eb4

[Takeovers]

You mean that by speaking my piece on a regime, that I despise for all it's "nationalism" and corruption. Ukraine !

True that Ukraine has not yet shed all the garbage from Soviet/Russian controlled times. But they are well on the way. Some corrupt judges were fired and immediately some people started whining, violation of independent judiciary. EU must intervene.

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True that Ukraine has not yet shed all the garbage from Soviet/Russian controlled times.

Keep in mind that helga is just spewing the propaganda from the Blumenthal video he posted on the last page. He is intellectually lazy and is not interested in the truth and reality as to how far Ukraine has come in regard to its corruption. That said, helga uses that as a reason for "hating" Ukraine, however she refuses to point out that the country she shills for is far, far more corrupt than Ukraine. The hypocrisy of these vatnik retards in mind-numbing.

[helge]

True that Ukraine has not yet shed all the garbage from Soviet/Russian controlled times. But they are well on the way. Some corrupt judges were fired and immediately some people started whining, violation of independent judiciary. EU must intervene

Keep calm, Fritz

Nobody is threatning your position as leading TD fool

You post up a video of utterly laughable liars like Max Blumenthal and you are stupid enough to believe the crap he spews. He was full of shit back when sabang was posting his drivel, and he is full of shit now. You really look a fool when you regurgitate his talking points like the useful idiot you are.

Haven't watched it myself

Not that good, eh ?

You are not addressing anything, mostly you are just regurgitating.

I try, Mr Cut and Pasting Snuff Videos

You are really flexing your intellectual muscles with that one. What a clown.

I'm speechless

You are his useful idiot who pushes his propaganda, and that is clearly and undeniably showing praise vatnik.

You are jut too stupid to realize it.

I have one thing in common with Vladimir: I'm not at all impressed with Ukraine.

I also have a thingy together with Vlodomir:Not that fond of Putin.


Get it, Shitposter ?

[helge]

CIA Director secretly visits Ukraine, hears plans to liberate territories – the Washington Post






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Ukrainska Pravda
Sat, July 1, 2023 at 2:04 AM GMT+2·1 min read







During a secret visit to Ukraine by CIA Director William Burns earlier this month, Ukrainian authorities revealed a strategy to him to regain Russian-occupied territories and begin ceasefire talks with Moscow by the end of the year.
Source: The Washington Post, citing sources
Quote: "The trip by Burns, which has not been previously reported, included meetings with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Ukraine’s top intelligence officials."
Details: According to the newspaper's sources, the purpose of the visit was to reiterate the US administration's commitment to sharing intelligence that will help Ukraine defend itself.
Publicly, Ukrainian officials expressed disappointment at the criticism of the pace of the counteroffensive that has taken place so far.
But privately, sources say, military planners in Kyiv have conveyed to Burns and others strong confidence that their goal was to recapture significant territory by the autumn, move artillery and missile systems to the border with Russia-controlled Crimea, push further into the east of Ukraine, and then begin talks with Moscow for the first time since peace talks failed last March.
"Russia will only negotiate if it feels threatened," said a senior Ukrainian official.
The CIA declined to share Burns' assessment of the prospects for the Ukrainian offensive.

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Haven't watched it myself

So you posted up a video you didn't even watch and then went on to regurgitate talking points from said article. Riiiighht....

I try, Mr Cut and Pasting Snuff Videos

That really triggered you. It hurts to know that your side is losing the war.

I'm speechless

You are a disingenuous vatnik moron.

I have one thing in common with Vladimir: I'm not at all impressed with Ukraine.

I also have a thingy together with Vlodomir:Not that fond of Putin.

BS.

[baldrick]

Ukraine defend itself.

Yes .

[David48atTD]

Why are Putin’s propagandists so bad at their jobs?

Following on from snubby's theme ...

I can't find this clip as a stand alone, so forward to the 14.25 min for the some shitty propaganda, it's so bad it makes you (well, me anyway) smile

[Hugh Cow]

Ah for fuck sake man.

You mean that by speaking my piece on a regime, that I despise for all it's "nationalism" and corruption. Ukraine !







And by using my, until further notice, free speech to address the faults and hidden agendas of the "west", I am supporting a dictator?

Is that directly or indirectly or just because it confuses gullible types like you, that not everybody closes ranks ?



I gave BSnuff exactly what he asked for.

He is a self-admitted shitposter and that you aren't in opposition to the perv is your problem.


So stick your logic and show me where I praised Putin

I rest my case. Again you rail against Ukrainian nationalism and corruption that pales into insignificance when it is compared to nationalism and corruption in Russia which has been exported by them to many other parts of the world and yes before you start, the USA does not have clean hands, from Iraq to Allende. Regardless, Russia is on the wrong side of history and so are you. Your unbalanced view borders on unhinged.

[Stretchy]

^ A lot of the regular posters here have an unbalanced view of the war in Ukraine. Troy has the most balanced view in my opinion.

[Hugh Cow]

Back to the subject. I now believe This war will finish within the next 12 months. I am coming to the conclusion that Ukraine cannot take back all of the regions invaded by Russia let alone Ukraine. The lack of progress in the counter offensive combined with severe social and economic problems in the west will cause many western govts to run out of patience with Zelensky and force him to make territorial concessions as the west stops pouring millions into Ukraine. I believe he has 3 months to make significant territorial progress before the murmers start to become louder. I believe that is the sad truth. The best the west can do is to leave Russia with continuing major sanctions for years to come severely weakening its economy and curtailing its international influence.

[Troy]

Again you rail against Ukrainian nationalism and corruption that pales into insignificance when it is compared to nationalism and corruption in Russia

I'm not sure I agree with "pales into insignificance". I checked the Country Corruption Index for 2021 and Ukraine was ranked 122 with Index=32 and Russia 136 with Index=29. They are both well down the list and to put this into perspective Thailand is ranked 110 with an Index = 35.

So Helge has a point about Ukraine being corrupt.

Nationalism has spread again throughout Europe and other parts of the World. It has always been my view that Nationalism is the major reason for wars. We are all humans and we should all be allowed to settle and live wherever we wish in the modern age. Not the view of everyone, which is a great pity.

[bsnub]

So Helge has a point about Ukraine being corrupt.

No one said Ukraine didn't have issues with its corruption, but the issue is being distorted along with other things by propagandists like Greenwald to frame an argument that attempts to justify the ruzzian invasion. Helga has been on the record saying lots of nasty untrue things on here, including claiming that it is Ukraine that is committing genocide, not the ruzzians. It is all part of a bigger propaganda narrative.

I now believe This war will finish within the next 12 months.

I do as well but not for the same reasons as you.

I am coming to the conclusion that Ukraine cannot take back all of the regions invaded by Russia let alone Ukraine.

You sure gave up on the counteroffensive pretty quickly, being that it has not even fully kicked off yet, most of the Ukrainians best trained and equipped brigades have not even entered the fight and Ukraine has had significant gains over the last few days.

I believe he has 3 months to make significant territorial progress before the murmers start to become louder.

Murmurs from whom? Not from the US that is for sure, not from Poland or the Baltics, or Eastern Europe. There is strong support in the US to continue arming Ukraine for the long haul. A recent poll in the US shows 65% of Americans support continuing to arm Ukraine...

Most Americans support US arming Ukraine, Reuters/Ipsos poll shows | Reuters

[helge]

Again you rail against Ukrainian nationalism and corruption

You accused me of supporting a dictator by criticising the dictators opponents.

Isn't that right ?

"If you aren't with us, you are against us"

that pales into insignificance when it is compared to nationalism and corruption in Russia

Maybe

Wasn't the issue

And my taxmoney isn't paid to Kremlin, but to Kiev.

[helge]

will cause many western govts to run out of patience with Zelensky and force him to make territorial concessions as the west stops pouring millions into Ukraine.

I don't think so.

If it comes to that, I think Ukraine will be worn down before her allies and the initiative will come from there.

[helge]

It has always been my view that Nationalism is the major reason for wars.

It has, together with religion, always been a tool for warfare.

I think deeper down the reason for war is money, possesion and narcissisme