Ukraine war mega thread

[Troy]

What about the four aircraft shot down on the same day in Bryansk last week?

Neither the Mig31 nor the Su-57 has any need to fly within range of Ukraine SAM sites and they aren't doing so.

Not really sure what happened in the incident over Bryansk, a nicely set trap or trigger happy Russians?

[pickel]

But Ukraine did not take credit for it by not including them in their daily Russian losses list.

Ukraine doesn't comment on its attacks inside Russia.

Not really sure what happened in the incident over Bryansk, a nicely set trap or trigger happy Russians?

I recall reading that there was an un-named item in a recent arms package.

Who knows, maybe just careless smokers again.

[baldrick]

Initial reports were they were shot down by Russian air defense but that was of course also not confirmed.

The rumour is the Ukrainians were flying drones around emitting signatures of hostile aircraft and the Russian sams then took out their own aircraft by mistake

[panama hat]

The rumour is the Ukrainians were flying drones around emitting signatures of hostile aircraft and the Russian sams then took out their own aircraft by mistake

That'd be nice . . . who says there can't be good news in a warzone

[OhOh]

Fail

My apologies

The topic is non editable.

No other misspellings, so you're in agreement with the post contents otherwise?

^ Not sure about the quality of that article.

Agree.

[bsnub]

The Russian aircraft being within the safety of their own borders makes them impossible to shoot down by anyone but Ukraine without a major escalation and they don't have and will not have the weapons to do so even if/when they receive F-16s.

I am sure that the MIG-31's and SU-57's risk to the F-16's has been taken into account by the US, Ukraine and others. Yet they are still moving forward with providing the planes, NATO has to account for the two mentioned ruzzian planes as well with many of its members flying F-16's. That said, Ukraine is still flying daily air sorties, the majority of which are successful. The F-16's will undoubtably allow for a large increase in ordnance being delivered to the front line which will result in more dead ruzzians and that is a good thing.

I guess that you are expecting a long distance call from Seattle

You seem to be making a fool of yourself on a daily basis of late. Drunk again?

[panama hat]

No other misspellings, so you're in agreement with the post contents otherwise?

Your failed Beijing language school spelling was the smallest problem with your post. It was unadulterated shit. As usual.

[OhOh]

Douglas Macgregor: U.S. NATO Council to give the Russians a role in Europe | Chas Freeman & Douglas.

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[panama hat]

You didn't watch the video, did you OhWoe

[bsnub]

U.S. NATO Council to give the Russians a role in Europe

Macgregor is paid by the ruzzians to say stupid shit like that. Only clowns like OhDoh are stupid enough to buy any of it.

[panama hat]

Only clowns like OhDoh are stupid enough to buy any of it.

. . . sabang, Backspit . . .

[bsnub]

. . . sabang, OhDoh, Backspit . . .

The Three Stooges. Useful idiots.

[bsnub]

The Russian commander of fighters that conducted a raid on a Russian border region this week said his group would soon launch more incursions into Russian territory from Ukraine.

Denis Kapustin, who described himself as the commander of the Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC), spoke to reporters on Wednesday on the Ukrainian side of the border with Russia a day after Moscow said it had repelled an attack on Russia’s Belgorod region that lasted almost 24 hours.

“I think you will see us again on that side,” said Kapustin, who is known as an extreme right-wing Russian nationalist who introduced himself to reporters by his call-sign White Rex.

“The operation is ongoing,” the Moscow-born Kapustin said, flanked by some 30 fighters in camouflage.

“Every operation that takes place on the territory of Russia forces the military leadership to move a large amount of forces precisely to that quadrant, therefore laying bare some parts of the front, parts of the border,” he said.

“Our future plans are new territories of the Russian Federation, which we will definitely enter… You should be just a little bit patient and wait just a couple of days.”

Two armed groups operating in Ukraine – Kapustin’s RVC and the allied Freedom of Russia Legion – claimed responsibility for the incursion on Monday and Tuesday.

Kyiv said it was not involved in the attack, indicating that it was carried out by Russian anti-Putin forces against the Russian military.

Kapustin described his mission as a fight against “injustice” and “torture” under Russian President Vladimir Putin that was aimed at spurring other Russians to act.

“I want to prove to them [Russians] that you can fight against tyrants and that Putin’s power is not boundless,” he said.

Ukrainian authorities “did encourage us” but did not provide weapons or equipment or instructions for this mission, Kapustin added.

Belgorod regional Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov reported that two women died and at least 12 people were wounded in the cross-border attack.

Local Russian media also reported on Thursday that an estimated 500 houses were damaged in the attack, including 200 that were destroyed. Residents who had fled their homes in Belgorod have not yet returned in some areas, according to the media reports, as authorities are working to identify and make safe mines that were left on the streets and in buildings in the region’s Grayvoron district.

The Russian military said that it routed the raiders with artillery and air attacks that killed more than 70 of what it described as “Ukrainian nationalists” on a sabotage mission designed to deflect attention from Russia’s gains in the bombed-out city of Bakhmut.

Kapustin said the total losses on his side were two killed and 10 wounded.

“And, of course, the Ukrainian military took our wounded. But anything more than this would make things difficult,” he said referring to Ukrainian involvement in his operations.

“Every decision we make … beyond the state border is our own decision. Obviously, we can ask our [Ukrainian] comrades, friends for their assistance in planning,” he said.

Described by the United States-based Anti-Defamation League as “a Russian neo-Nazi”, Kapustin’s audacious cross-border raid has embarrassed the Kremlin but also raises questions about the involvement of far-right Russian nationalists in Ukraine and how this might affect Western allies’ readiness to supply Kyiv with weapons.

Kapustin admitted his group was right-wing. He was also asked if he minded being labelled a Nazi.

“I have my set of views, it’s a patriotic set of views, it’s a traditionalist set of views, it’s a right-wing set of views. You know, you’ll never find me waving a flag with a swastika, you’ll never find me raising my hand in a Hitler sign. So why would you call me that?”

Asked repeatedly about media reports that his fighters had used US military equipment in the raid on Russian territory – equipment provided to allow Ukraine to defend itself against Russia’s invasion – Kapustin declined to answer directly.

“I know exactly where I got my weapons from. Unfortunately, not from the Western partners,” he said. He suggested that Western military equipment had been captured by Russia in the battle for Bakhmut and that such equipment could be bought on the black market.

“I think I explained that the Western military aid unfortunately goes back and forth, being raided. In Bakhmut, for instance, I know that a lot of armoured vehicles, American armoured vehicles, got raided by the Russian forces,” he said.

US officials said on Wednesday that they were looking into reports that US vehicles were used inside Russian territory.

The Kremlin said the use of US military hardware in the cross-border attack proved the West’s growing involvement in the war.

“It is no secret that this equipment is being used against our own military. And it is no secret for us that the direct and indirect involvement of Western countries in this conflict is growing by the day. We are drawing the appropriate conclusions,” Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu promised on Wednesday that Moscow would respond to any more cross-border raids “extremely harshly”.

Leader of anti-Putin force says expect more Russian border raids | Weapons News | Al Jazeera

[helge]

The long awaited offensive was officially kicked in gear yesterday.

I failed to notice that

[bsnub]

I failed to notice that

You fail to notice much except when your whine glass is empty. Isn't it time for another meltdown flounce?

[bsnub]

[Norton]

Kyiv said it was not involved in the attack, indicating that it was carried out by Russian anti-Putin forces against the Russian military.

Bullshit. The "official" Ukraine version will be what it needs to be to maintain support of it's western allies. As a Ukrainian, trust me, never get the notion everything a Ukranian says is the god's truth.

[bsnub]

The "official" Ukraine version will be what it needs to be to maintain support of it's western allies.

The two groups are real, though. Did Kyiv provide intelligence and support and know it was going to happen. I am sure all of the above is true. At any rate, the two incursions caused a shit storm in ruzzia, so it was a pretty epic success.



Freedom of Russia Legion - Wikipedia

Russian Volunteer Corps - Wikipedia

[Troy]

^ Spilling onto Russian territory is a dangerous turn of events. It could easily backfire against Ukraine.

[panama hat]

^ Yea, Russia might decide to invade

[bsnub]

Spilling onto Russian territory is a dangerous turn of events.

Dangerous how? There is already a full scale war on, and please do not mention the "N" word because that ain't happening. I hope that there are more incursions into ruzzia as they are wide open with all their troops being in Ukraine. There was no notable ground response until well after the incursion was over and it was very small even then.

[Bettyboo]

The whole notion that one country can have a full scale invasion, mass murdering of civilians and leveling cities while the other has to play nice and not enter the aggressor's nation is utter nonsense, imho.

Again, the notion that Russia can get Iranian and various other weapon systems from their allies around the world, but the Ukrainians cannot be supported by their allies is utter nonsense. Never listen to a word that the Russians say - it is all lies (welcome to the rhetoric of war).

Thirdly, the idea that Russia can use any and all of it's weapons of mass destruction (including threatening nuclear attacks), but the defender can only use limited "low-ish" level weapons is absurd. Get more cruise missiles in there are let the Ukrainians destroy major Russian military installations, troops, logistics and whatever other military targets (including that bridge) that they want...

Obviously, the west is using Ukraine to an extent, drip-feeding weapon systems, so the entire Russian war machine can be slowly depleted over a long period of time. But, I don't see any weapons (other than nuclear) that are off the table to provide to Ukraine.

[bsnub]

Well said Betts. I would agree with you for the most part. The Brits have responded with long range precision fires by giving the storm shadow, and they are already using it. Blew up a big ruzzian military base down in Berdyans'k today.

[Troy]

Dangerous how? There is already a full scale war on, and please do not mention the "N" word because that ain't happening. I hope that there are more incursions into ruzzia as they are wide open with all their troops being in Ukraine. There was no notable ground response until well after the incursion was over and it was very small even then.

No, Russia hasn't declared war, it is still a special military operation. The point is that Russian could declare war if it spills over onto Russian territory and a full mobilisation could then be called.

[bsnub]

No, Russia hasn't declared war, it is still a special military operation.

The point is that Russian could declare war if it spills over onto Russian territory and a full mobilisation could then be called.

I would love to see that happen. Just what are they going to equip these conscripts with? Who is going to train them? They are already down to sending T-55's to the front.