Ukraine war mega thread

[Hugh Cow]

It was not a response that happened the day before. It also was not a NATO stockpiled ammunition. It was an old Soviet era explosives storage site, about as far away from the front lines as you can get. As usual, you post up horseshit propaganda.

Massive Explosion Rocks Town In Western Ukraine | The Drive

Once again alternate reality brought to you by odo.
Once again shot down by bsnub.

[bsnub]

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[helge]

A Ukranian Joan of Arc ?

Have to say that I feel tempted to watch it.

But have promised myself not to watch propaganda

Too bad

[russellsimpson]

[misskit]

Putin is on the ropes. Britain can prepare Ukraine for the final blow

The Russians are down, but not quite out. With Volodymyr Zelenskyy in the UK meeting Rishi Sunak, British arms could soon enable the Ukrainian armed forces to deliver the killing blow. Today’s announcement has covered attack drones and air defence missiles; last week, we saw the donation of Storm Shadow missile systems. And, of course, there’s the offer of training for jet pilots.


It’s all good stuff, but Britain’s lead must be followed by others. America and Europe must rally and give Kyiv everything it asks for this week; long range missiles do no good on the shelves of warehouses when they could be blowing up Russian tanks. And if we don’t enable Ukraine to finish the war this year, we will be storing up trouble for years to come.


What was meant to be a “Special Military Operation” lasting a few weeks has turned into a 15-month military disaster for the Russian autocrat. Things are bad on the battlefield, and a quick scan of the headlines in the last month hints that far worse could be following. In a signal humiliation, the defences of the Kremlin were apparently breached by a drone, while a much-vaunted Russian hypersonic missile, supposedly overmatching anything Nato could muster, was unceremoniously shot out of the sky by a US-provided Patriot missile system.


It's not as if all is well at home, either. The price cap on oil exports has forced the Kremlin to tax domestic producers more, slowly eroding its capability to produce in the future. This is only going to get worse as the summer will further lessen demand and reduce prices. Putin’s “magic money tree” is failing him when he needs it most.


Meanwhile, the infighting between the Wagner group and the Russian MoD speaks to deep tensions that may further degrade battlefield performance, with Wagner now apparently able to call the shots on tactics and supplies.


And the situation is worsening in Ukraine. A short time after their arrival in Ukraine, it is clear that Western tanks and armoured vehicles are almost ready to conduct deadly combined arms manoeuvre warfare. They will brush aside the untrained conscripts thrown onto the front-lines by the Kremlin. Antiquated Russian tanks hauled out of storage won’t last a minute in a scrap with a Challenger 2; the depleted uranium shells fired by the British tanks will punch through them as if they weren’t there, while the return fire is unlikely to do more than scratch the paintwork.


What’s more, the operational security around their deployment has been outstanding. We don’t know where they are, or what the plan of attack is; neither do the Russians. The sudden appearance of formations of Western made armour is likely to produce a rout in troops already low in morale, badly led and with little ammunition.


Things have become so desperate that the Russians are now apparently using phosphorus bombs to try and burn their way to victory. Using this chemical in civilian areas is a war crime. That won’t stop Putin. He knows that this medieval style of scorched earth warfare proved highly effective for the Russians and Assad Regime in Syria, rapidly becoming their go-to weapon when conventional fighting failed. The last resort was chemical weapons, which we have not yet seen in Ukraine. I would not bet against an increasingly desperate Kremlin turning to their use; they secured Assad’s survival, the West did nothing in response to their deployment, and Putin is aware that failure could be the end of both his regime and his life. It is this fear that could lead to Putin’s deployment of his deadliest weapon.


Civilians are being evacuated in droves, and in panic, from the area around the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. Many analysts believe this is in response to Ukrainian shelling and the threat posed by a strong counterattack spearheaded by modern Western tanks. But while it may be speculation, there are some who believe Moscow may be planning to use the plant as some form of “improvised nuclear device”; a kill-switch for Russian occupation in the area. It seems inconceivable, but how many times have we seen Putin cross red lines we believed inviolable?


This war cannot be allowed to drag into next year. We must give the hawks circling Putin the “carrion” they need to remove him. And we must give Zelensky all the military capability needed to kick the Russians out of Ukraine.

Putin is on the ropes. Britain can prepare Ukraine for the final blow

[bsnub]

But have promised myself not to watch propaganda

It is hardly propaganda. It simply tells the story of a female Ukrainian sniper.

You really are a massive scale hypocrite, like most vatniks. You are more than eager to swallow kremlin talking points as gospel but dismiss everything else that does not fit in to your false narrative. It has been crumbling for months, but soon it is going to come completely crashing down for you and the rest of the vatniks.

[helge]

What...ever

[Norton]

Zelensky smoozing it up all over Europe. Lobbying for more Russian killing stuff. Doing well. Pushing hard for F-16s. Never know he might get them.

When the weapons and crews are available, the gound conditions are good and his military says go, expect we will see an offensive that will overwhelm what by any assessment is an underequipped, poorly commanded Russian force.

Throw in a news peice I saw today about Belarus leader having health problems and Belarusian support of Russia declining and Putin might just call an end to his not so special, "Special Operation".

[Takeovers]

Pushing hard for F-16s. Never know he might get them.

Agreement of France and GB to train pilots may be an indicator.

[bsnub]

The Patriot is off to a big success in Ukraine.

Yet another massive Russian air attack on Ukraine last night. Ukrainian Air defense shot down all of them:

- 6 aeroballistic Kinzhal rockets;
- 9 Kalibr cruise missiles;
- 3 ballistic/anti-aircraft rockets (being confirmed);
- 6 strike Shahed drones;
- 3 drones.

[Troy]

Agreement of France and GB to train pilots may be an indicator.

Neither Fance or UK have F-16s. France is offering its Mirage 2000. UK can offer fast jet training but not sure any aircraft are being offered.

[Troy]

^^ The vast majority of them was the term used by the BBC.

[bsnub]

If you ever question the reality that the ruzzian are taking far, far higher casualty rates, just look at this clip on twitter, the ground is dying up and the ruzzian corpses are being literally consumed by the dry soil. NSFW and it is graphic...

https://twitter.com/Shtirlitz53/stat...63269834616868

[OhOh]

The Epic Failures of US Foreign Policy
Robert Wright & Jeffrey Sachs

10 May 2023


0:49 America’s missed opportunity to create a peaceful post-Cold-War world
8:09 The moment US foreign policy went off track
14:19 Why didn’t the West invest in Russia’s post-Cold War recovery?
22:18 The foreign policy Blob’s continuity across presidential administrations
30:01 Has the American journalism gotten worse in recent decades?

[Norton]

Neither Fance or UK have F-16s

They don't but Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway have and produce them.
Plus Zelinzky specifically wants F-16s.

[Pragmatic]

They don't but Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway have and produce them.

Why, when there's no threat to any of these countries? And never likely to be?

[helge]

They don't but Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway have and produce them.

You mean that they will hand them over ?

[helge]

You are more than eager to swallow kremlin talking points as gospel

Like what ?
I don't read propaganda from either side.

I don't do predictions on the war, cause I haven't got any information and very little knowledge about how to wage war.

I might have told you that you shouldn't count on the ground being frozen solid near Melitopol, which you probably didn't like when you predicted one of your imaginary offensives.

The 'Kremlin Godspell ?

Putin might not like the Helge Godspell


The referendrums was a farce. Ofcourse it was.-Putin might disagree.

If you send long range missiles towards Ukraine, don't whine when you get some back.-Putin whines

When you lose territory like Kherson (retreat) and Kharkiv(poorly and thin defended) is isn't a victory for Ukraine, but must be a massive and telling defeat for Russia- Putin certainly disagrees.

F-16s to Ukraine ?

Isn't it time for the westy chickenhawks to deliver some boots on the ground ?

Coughing up taxmoney and letting the ukrainians bleed fighting "our" war, sounds dishonourable to me- Putin would disagree there.


So using your all american gung ho war horny logic:

You disagree with me and so does Putin, ergo............


I still stand by my opinion, that this war could have and should have been avoided and that the blame has several fathers.


Have a look

but dismiss everything else that does not fit in to your false narrative.

And my narrative is ?

Apart from 'false' ?

It has been crumbling for months, but soon it is going to come completely crashing down for you and the rest of the vatniks.

You gonna hang me from a crane or something ?

Am I too much of an ...atheist ?

[Takeovers]

I still stand by my opinion, that this war could have and should have been avoided and that the blame has several fathers.

There is only one who started it and he is the only one who can end it, short of total defeat for Russia. That's Putin.

[helge]

Fair enough

You aren't alone with that opinion

[bsnub]

Kharkiv(poorly and thin defended)

It wasn't lightly defended. That is a BS talking point of Sabangs. Some of ruzzia's best brigades were there, including 1st Guards Tank Army, supposedly of ruzzia's most "elite" units.

I still stand by my opinion, that this war could have and should have been avoided and that the blame has several fathers.

Another one of Sabangs tired talking points and it is still utter nonsense.

And my narrative is ?

The same as Sabangs, judging by the comments above.

There is only one who started it and he is the only one who can end it, short of total defeat for Russia. That's Putin.

Spot on. To attempt to paint it any other way is beyond absurd.

[Norton]

You mean that they will hand them over ?

No but if the US agrees, these countries can produce aircraft relatively fast.

[helge]

No but if the US agrees, these countries can produce aircraft relatively fast.

We produce F-16 ?

Well there you go

I am afraid that you are very mistaken

[OhOh]

There is only one who started it

The facts state otherwise.

See a 1992 NaGaStan Brzezinski published artical, as quoted in video #13240, from 2:43 onwards.

The Cold War and Its Aftermath.

By Zbigniew Brzezinski

Fall 1992

Published on September 1, 1992

The Cold War and Its Aftermath | Foreign Affairs


A further artical:

Published: 11 May 2020

NATO enlargement and US grand strategy: a net assessment

"At its January 1994 Washington Summit, NATO agreed, on the basis of Article X of the 1949 Washington Treaty, to admit more members into its fold. At its July 1997, Madrid conclave the alliance formally invited the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland to initiate talks on accession. They gained membership in March 1999 (NATO n.d.; von Moltke 1997).

At the Madrid meeting, NATO also reaffirmed that its door remained open to other aspirants, subject to their fulfilling membership criteria.

The alliance did not tarry; in 2002, it gave even more states—Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia—the green light to start accession negotiations. They entered the alliance in 2004 during George W. Bush’s administration.

Following accession talks, which commenced in 2008, Albania and Croatia joined in 2009, during Barack Obama’s presidency. Montenegro was admitted in 2017, soon after President Donald Trump’s inauguration, and North Macedonia will join in 2020, increasing NATO’s membership from a Cold War highpoint of 16 to 30 in the space of two decades.

Georgia and Ukraine are also eager to join. Although the alliance did not offer either country a Membership Action Plan (MAP) during its 2008 Bucharest summit, the post-conference declaration stated that ‘NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO.

We agreed that these countries will become members of NATO’ (NATO 2008)."

NATO enlargement and US grand strategy: a net assessment | SpringerLink

Another:

The "fuck the EU" NaGaStan instigated regime change.

February 18, 2020

Unsolved Maidan massacre casts shadow over Ukraine

Unsolved Maidan massacre casts shadow over Ukraine - Atlantic Council