Ukraine war mega thread

[helge]

A moot point , they will need guys with 2 track minds

Before ohbo explains the great patriotic war again let us not forget the Russian treatment of Finns Kulacks , Ukrainians and Katyn of course,
Karelians and Estonaians, Letts Latvians Courlanders, m]Memelland Tramscarpathia, Bessarabia, Rhyz the same brutal litany.

Russian parliament admits guilt over Polish massacre In a symbolic admission of guilt, Russia's parliament has declared that

Joseph Stalin ordered his secret police to execute 22,000 Polish army officers and civilians in 1940, in one of the greatest mass murders of the 20th century.

Today's acknowledgment of Stalin's personal culpability over the Katyn massacre comes amid a cautious thaw between Moscow and Warsaw, whose recent relations have been thorny at best. It was also seen as a sign that Russia may finally be ready for muted self-scrutiny over its totalitarian past.



Mikhail Gorbachev admitted in 1990 that the NKVD was to blame for the massacre, after a half-century of the Soviets blaming it on Nazi troops. However, there has never been a formal statement which implicates the Soviet leadership in such explicit terms.
Officials in Warsaw greeted the declaration positively. "It is a good step, an important sign," Poland's speaker of parliament, Grzegorz Schetyna, told reporters. It would ensure a "better atmosphere" for Russian president Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Warsaw next week, he added.
The 21,768 officers, doctors, policemen and other public servants – captured by the Red Army when it swept into Poland after the outbreak of the second world war in 1939 – were mainly shot in Katyn forest near Smolensk in western Russia and in several other places

Sounds about right

Relevance ?

[Troy]

Possibly a well deserved R and R, then onto the next meat grinder.

Russia doesn't have the resources for troop rotation. They're in the battle until they die...

[helge]

Troy, you have been hacked

[david44]

Relevance ?

If we do not learn from history we are likely to repeat the errors of our ancestors.

Unlike Moravia the Soviey occupiers left Denmark albeit late.Dsaeigli Denmark was much lickier than teh inahbitiants of Vyborg , Moravia or Koenigsberg/Twansgste whose Old Prussian society was exterminated deported or killed. Murder of Jews in Poland continued long after teh armistie and German withdrawal.Italinas and Austrian prsoners of Stalingrad spent decades in Gulags where most succombed.


Bornholm constitutes this little piece of World War II history where the Danish perspective could depict Soviet troops’ presence in Europe after 1945 in all its shades and hues: not necessarily only as liberators, but also as uninvited guests that eventually went home. After all, there were only three such places in Europe: Bornholm, Austria and northern Finland. Other regions were not so lucky.




Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Kielce_pogroThe Kielce pogrom was an outbreak of violence toward the Jewish community centre's gathering of refugees in the city of Kielce, Poland on 4 July 1946
The genocide of the Ingrian Finns (Finnish: Inkeriläisten kansanmurha) was a series of events triggered by the Russian Revolution in the 20th century, in which the Soviet Union deported, imprisoned and killed Ingrians and destroyed their culture.[1] In the process, Ingria, in the historical sense of the word, ceased to exist.[2] Before the persecution there were 140,000 to 160,000 Ingrians[3][4] in Russia and today approximately 19,000 (after several thousands repatriated since 1990[5]).
From 1935 onwards, the genocide manifested itself in deportations of entire Ingrian villages, mass arrests and executions, especially in 1937 and 1938 associated with the Great Purge. The reason for the genocide was the skeptical attitude of the Soviet Union towards the Ingrian people due to their close cultural and historical relations with Finland. At the same time, many other ethnic groups and minorities were also persecuted.[1]


The destruction process targeted at Ingrian Finns was centrally managed and considered. Russian legislation in the 1990s refers to it as genocide. The aim was, in particular, to assassinate the male population. Tens of thousands of Ingrians died due to deportations and in labor camps


Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nemmersdorf_massa...













The Nemmersdorf massacre was a civilian massacre perpetrated by Red Army soldiers in the ... They hold evidence of other Soviet massacres in East Prussia

and so it goes much expunged from the history of the perps like the Arab massacres of 60s Paris or US and UK mistreatment of the Chagos people

[david44]

Troy, you have been hacked

Hacks can get stuck in the throat , have a lozenge or a Stimorol enema

[helge]

If we do not learn from history we are likely to repeat the errors of our ancestors.

Correct
And we do not learn

Murder of Jews in Poland continued long after teh armistie and German withdrawal.

Yes

Many polaks are/were not particular fond of jews.

As the Ukrainians

Italinas and Austrian prsoners of Stalingrad spent decades in Gulags where most succombed.

I'm sure you are right


Maybe I'll get your point later

[Troy]

Troy, you have been hacked

Nah, just in ohoh mode..

[bsnub]

Nah, just in ohoh mode..

You were correct, the ruzzians really do not have the resources to do troop rotations the way the Ukrainians do. They have been getting attrited in far higher numbers than the Ukrainians for months, and it is really going to show how thinned out thy are once the offensive kicks off.

[NamPikToot]

I doubt they'll be able to train 100 tank crews by the beginning of June.

bingo

More likely less than half that number, but they will have enough crews to carry out mopping up operations.

doubt that, they don't have simulators either, the Leopard 1s are not the tank you want to go up against shoulder launch rockets, very vulnerable frontally.

Still, we'll see.

[bsnub]

I doubt they'll be able to train 100 tank crews by the beginning of June.

They are already training the 100 tanks crews in Germany. They may not be able to get a full 100 by June, but there will be some that will be ready.

[Troy]

From the reports I've read, 100 Ukrainians are training on Leopard 1 at the moment. This will be to man the expected delivery of around 25 Leopard 1 tanks in the Summer with an expected 100 to be delivered by the end of the year.

Meanwhile training on Leopard 2 tanks is also being carried out in Poland.

This makes more sense than the 100 Leopard 1 tank delivery in June.

[bsnub]

Wow! That parade was a laughable joke! The ruzzian may day parade is turning out to be utterly pathetic and laughable. No tanks or artillery pieces...

https://twitter.com/marlowc2324/stat...23432632631298

https://twitter.com/AstileanAdrian/s...34968143151106

[bsnub]

Oh, and they cancelled the air show, claiming that there were snipers on red square.

[bsnub]

The most humiliating military parade we saw in Moscow, ever. Seriously, it is so pathetic that I cannot stop laughing. Just one T-34-85 tank, the only tank. Like I said, Russia needs all of their functioning gear at the front. Ukraine completely brought Russia to the brink.

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1655847218639785987

[david44]

More of a defeat parade eh?

What an awful legacy to those who fought fascism to see Putin no better than Hiler ok

[NamPikToot]

The parades don't just occur in Moscow, they have been variously cancelled nationwide.

[helge]

What an awful legacy to those who fought fascism to see Putin no better than Hiler ok

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Quite the comparison

You clearly are losing it.

Putin hasn't even reached the Kissenger level of crimes yet.



But go ahead and devaluate the suffering of millions due to Hitler.

Putin is not quite there.....yet

[bsnub]

Putin hasn't even reached the Kissenger level of crimes yet.

You are a fucking propagandized moron.

But go ahead and devaluate the suffering of millions due to Hitler.

Stalin massacred over 20 million people, far more than Hitler, but since you are a marxist I guess you give him a pass.

Putin is not quite there.....yet

You are epic level scum and your world is closing in on you. It is going to be a bad summer for you vatnik.

[bsnub]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...64355539058688

[bsnub]

[helge]

Stalin massacred over 20 million people, far more than Hitler, but since you are a marxist I guess you give him a pass.

I didn't compare Putin to Hitler.

And nobody brought Stalin up except you.

Don't forget Mao, Djengis Khan or Pol Pot, who had a very decent batting average too.

You are epic level scum and your world is closing in on you.

Whatever

[Takeovers]

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Quite the comparison

You clearly are losing it.

Putin hasn't even reached the Kissenger level of crimes yet.



But go ahead and devaluate the suffering of millions due to Hitler.

Putin is not quite there.....yet

Did you not notice that Putin placed himself in the line of not only Soviet Union but the Tsarist tradition of conquering and subjugating surrounding countries? He may not have killed as many people as Hitler and Stalin but he is trying to get there. It is just that other nations have stood up to his goals earlier than with Hitler.

[helge]

Did you not notice that Putin placed himself in the line of not only Soviet Union

No,not really

The SU occupation and heavy influence in Eastern Europe, the Baltic and DDR, came from a (lets hope) unique situation, where they were the far greatest victims and until recently there seemed to be some kind of understanding for their actions and territorial sphere of influence, which was agreed upon with the westies.

but the Tsarist tradition of conquering and subjugating surrounding countries?

I haven't looked at the years it took Zar Russia to conquer their empire. Losing some, winning some.

My guess would be several hundreds years, so I don't know if Putin would settle for that time frame or "tradition"

He may not have killed as many people as Hitler and Stalin

But........

And he never will.

Enough of that pathetic german revanchism

but he is trying to get there.

Speculating

It is just that other nations have stood up to his goals earlier than with Hitler.

When did Putin start his "line" of conquering ?

Chechnya ?

Part of Russia, so not really

Georgia ?

Sounds better.

2008, I think

Took the Allies 6 years to "stand up" to Hitler, but ...14 to Putin.

Or you could count from Crimea and still you have it wrong.


Stich to your Rockets

[pickel]

Don't drink too much helge, you might fall off the fence.

[helge]

Any other comments, Obergefreiter Pickelhaube ?