Ukraine war mega thread

[Backspin]

Air alarms

[Backspin]

Putin could have prevented that by not invading.



Ukraine choosing to defend themselves from an illegal invasion is considered "playing ball" with the US? You're delusional.

The US deliberately started the war to "wear Russia down". As seen in the US foreign policy think tank papers.

Just as the US is deliberately trying to start the Taiwan war. And they will succeed there too.

[pickel]

The US deliberately started the war to "wear Russia down".

Russias not very smart then, by choosing to illegally invade a sovereign nation and granting America its wishes.

[misskit]

The US deliberately started the war to "wear Russia down". As seen in the US foreign policy think tank papers.

I must have missed those papers. Have you a link?

[bsnub]

The US deliberately started the war to "wear Russia down".

Just as the US is deliberately trying to start the Taiwan war. And they will succeed there too.

You are a complete and utter moron, and you prove it over and over again. Just get ready for the pain you have coming once it dries out a little more and Ukraine starts its offensive. Further humiliation is imminent.

[panama hat]

[/QUOTE]As little as he has that Biden is "evil" . . . Too much ouzo or retsina I'd say

Do you have any links that my claims are bogus?

You have any links to back up that bogus claim?

Do you have any links that my claims are bogus?

Yea, that's not how it works, BB . . . you made a statement . . . it's up to you to back it up. Debate/discussion 101 unless you're as dense as Trump and his acolytes.

[qwerty]

I hate to 'attack the poster' in a thread about a serious topic, but it seems to me that a lot of sealioning is going on here!

[bsnub]

Air alarms

15/18 of Russia’s missiles were shot down tonight.

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[Troy]

15/18 of Russia’s missiles were shot down tonight.

I still haven't seen any verified reports of what happened last damage and nor any damage assessment. Does anyone have any links, besides twitter?

[bsnub]

Does anyone have any links, besides twitter?

Good luck if you are looking for information like that in the conventional press. My post is confirmed by multiple sources, including the Ukrainian government, they all use Twitter. That is just the way it is in today's world. I am currently listening to a space on Twitter that is discussing it right now.

https://twitter.com/MriyaReport/stat...85929629704193

[Troy]

^ It is out now on the news networks. I prefer them to do the hard graft of filtering through the social networks rather than me.

[bsnub]

I prefer them to do the hard graft of filtering through the social networks rather than me.

If you do not understand how to wield a weapon, then it can become more of a hindrance than anything. When it comes to open source intelligence (OSINT) Twitter will always be the first stop to gather information. Since you are not disputing my post, I can only assume that your source corroborated what I first posted. I would bet dimes to dollars that your media source was most likely referencing one of my sources. You just got the information hours later.

[baldrick]

The US deliberately started the war

yes - they were secretly bombing siberia until you opened your big arsehole and let it all out

[Troy]

Since you are not disputing my post, I can only assume that your source corroborated what I first posted.

The news is reporting what Ukraine have reported so far. It appears to be the same source as yours but isn't verified. The Kyiv Independent has just updated its information, which is so-so in the confliction stakes. They state 15/18 missiles shot down but then stated 7 missiles were shot down in Dnipropetrovsk and an unspecified number of missiles caused damage. A large fire has started in Pavlohrad caused by a missile strike on an industrial area but then several apartment blocks, houses and schools were damaged suggesting several missiles got through the defences.

Conclusion is too early to know what the full damage is from last night's attack but I imagine we'll know soon enough.

[OhOh]

Lest we forget.

"At 21:50 on April 30, 1945, Soviet soldiers, scouts M.A. Egorov and M.V. Kantaria, hoisted the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag in Berlin

78 years ago, on April 30, 1945, Soviet soldiers Alexei Berest, Mikhail Yegorov and Meliton Kantaria hoisted the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag.

From the report of the commander of the 3rd shock army, Hero of the Soviet Union, Colonel General Kuznetsov to the head of the main political department of the Red Army about the battle for the Reichstag and hoisting the Banner of Victory over it:
"On April 30, 1945, at 14:25, the fighters of the company of senior sergeant Syanov fought their way up the stairs to the roof of the building and reached the dome of the Reichstag. The brave warriors, the Communist lieutenant Berest, the Komsomol member of the Red Army Yegorov and the non-party junior sergeant Kantaria, set up a banner, a proud soared over the building of the German parliament The flag of the Soviet Union is the symbol of our great victory ."

[Troy]

^ Many believe that "Operation Unthinkable" (and its later derivatives) was the answer to stop Stalin and save Poland from Soviet rule.

Damn shame it wasn't put into action.

Do you know anything about about the Russian occupation of Eastern Europe?

[panama hat]

Do you know anything about about the Russian occupation of Eastern Europe?

Bedtime reading for him . . . Soviet Brotherhood banding together voluntarily to cement their semi-Slav bounds. Similar to China with Tibet.

[OhOh]

Do you know anything about about the Russian occupation of Eastern Europe?

A little, any suggestions wort reading?

Have you read this book?

The End Of Tsarist Russia: The March to World War I and Revolution.

By: Dominic Lieven.

Praised by many.

Available free to borrow and read at this site and borrow:

The end of Tsarist Russia : the march to World War I and revolution : Lieven, D. C. B., author : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

[panama hat]

A little, any suggestions wort reading?

Yes, fairly anything written by anyone but your usual Kremlin and Beijing puppets.

[OhOh]

MAY 4, 2023 BY M. K. BHADRAKUMAR


Zelensky regime’s fate is sealed.

"The West’s cryptic or mocking remarks doubting the Kremlin statement on the failed Ukrainian attempt to assassinate President Vladimir Putin do not detract from the fact that Moscow has no reason on earth to fabricate such a grave allegation that has prompted the scaling down of its Victory Day celebrations on May 9, which is a triumphal moment in all of Russian history, especially now when it is fighting off the recrudescence of Nazi ideology on Europe’s political landscape single-handedly all over again.

The alacrity with which the US Secretary of State Antony Blinken debunked the Kremlin allegation, perhaps, gives the game away. It is in the neocon DNA to duck in such defining moments. That said, predictably, Blinken also distanced the Biden administration from the Kremlin attack.

Earlier, the chairman of Joints Chiefs of Staff General Marks Milley also did a similar thing in an interview with the Foreign Affairs magazine disowning in advance any responsibility for the upcoming Ukrainian “counteroffensive”. This is the Biden Administration’s new refrain — hear no evil, speak no evil. No more talk, either, of backing Kiev all the way “no matter what it takes” — as Biden used to say ad nauseam.

The heart of the matter is that Kiev’s much touted “counteroffensive” is struggling amidst widespread western prognosis that it is destined to be a damp squib. Actually, the salience of the Foreign Affairs podcast this week with Gen. Milley was also his diffidence about the outcome. Milley refused to be categorical that Kiev would even launch its “counteroffensive”!

There is a huge dilemma today as the entire western narrative of a Russian defeat stands exposed as a pack of lies, and alongside, the myth of Kiev’s military prowess to take on the far superior military might of a superpower has evaporated. The Ukrainian military is being ground to the dust systematically. In reality, Ukraine has become an open wound that is fast turning gangrene, and little time is left to cauterise the wound.

However, Kiev regime is ridden with factionalism. There are powerful cliques who are averse to peace talks with Russia short of capitulation by Moscow and instead want an escalation so that the Western powers remain committed. And even after Boris Johnson’s exit, they have supporters in the West.

The militant clique ensconced in the power structure in Kiev could well have been the perpetrators of this dangerous act of provocation directed against the Kremlin with an ulterior agenda to trigger a Russian retaliation.

From Blinken’s vacuous remark, it seems the neocons in the Biden Administration led by Victoria Nuland are in no mood to rein in the mavericks in Kiev, either. As for Europe, it has lost its voice too.

This will probably show up in history books as a historic failure of European leadership and at its core lies the paradox that it is not France but the German government that has aligned itself closer with the US in the Ukraine war and risking an intra-European “epoch of confrontation.”

Even otherwise, these are fateful times, with the political middle ground already shrinking in France and Italy and is much weakened in Germany itself in the wake of the pandemic, the war, and inflation. Importantly, this is only partly an economic story, as the decline of the centre and the de-industrialisation in Europe are closely related and the social fabric that supported the centre has come unstuck.

Germany, the powerhouse of Europe, has been relatively lucky so far. It benefited from cheap labour from east Europe and cheap gas from Russia. But that is over now and the decline of German industry is foreseeable. When society fragments, the political system also fragments and it will take progressively greater effort to govern such countries. Germany and Italy have a three-party coalitions; the Netherlands has four parties; Belgium has a seven-party coalition.

For the present, the hardliners in the Kiev regime have set the pace of events and Europeans will meekly follow. But there’s a ‘chill in the room’ — to borrow the words of Judie Foster in the horror film Silence of the Lambs when Anthony Hopkins transformed in a flash into Hannibal Lecter.

Make no mistake, this is a tipping point; the clumsy attempt on Putin’s life jolts the kaleidoscope beyond recognition. The only comforting thought is that the Kremlin leadership is not going to be driven by emotion. The considered Kremlin reaction is available from the remarks by the Russian Ambassador to the US, Anatoly Antonov:

“How would Americans react if a drone hit the White House, the Capitol or the Pentagon? The answer is obvious for any politician as well as for an average citizen: the punishment will be harsh and inevitable.”

The ambassador went on to draw the bottom line: “Russia will respond to this insolent and presumptuous terrorist attack. We will answer when we consider it necessary. We will answer in accordance with the assessments of the threat that Kiev posed to the leadership of our country.”

No knee-jerk reactions are to be expected. Nonetheless, the scaling down of the Victory Day celebrations on the Red Square itself must have been a difficult decision. The Victory Day on May 9 is the most important holiday in Russia when the public and the state come together in a patriotic celebration during which people remember their family members who sacrificed their lives to defeat Nazism.

Many of the day’s features—parades, songs and commemorative practices—date back to the Soviet era. Victory Day is the only major public holiday that made the transition to post-Soviet Russia. In a country that lost many of its idols and heroic achievements with the dissolution of the Soviet Union, triumph over Nazism remained a source of enormous collective and personal pride.

But Putin’s hands are tied beyond a point when the country is in rage and demanding retribution, as evident from the comments by former Russian President and current Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev: “After today’s terrorist attack, there are no options left except for the physical elimination of Zelensky and his clique.”

As for Zelensky, he simply left Kiev for Helsinki — and to the Hague thereafter, and arrive in Berlin by May 13 on a state visit — sensing danger, perhaps. Indeed, the fate of the Zelensky regime seems sealed. Zelensky reminds us of the mythical Wandering Jew, who taunted Jesus on the way to the Crucifixion and was then cursed to walk the earth until the Second Coming."

Zelensky regime's fate is sealed - Indian Punchline

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[OhOh]

[HermantheGerman]

Lest we forget.

Are those the same guys at the Kremilin fighting off the drone attack

[HermantheGerman]

The "Three Stooges" !