Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

No one has suffered more humiliation on this thread than you,

Do I need to remind you of the recent TD Bellend vote, again- and I didn't even bother voting for either you or 'arry Bellend. That says pretty clearly how you come across on TD, according to the members. Oh, the abject humiliation. Facetiously attempting to Transfer your own self imposed degradation onto others doesn't work recruit anal snubski- it just exposes you as more of a fool, and a homoerotically obsessed Bellend.

Got any more anal/faecal or phallic/testicular gay stuff to share with us little gayboy? It's quite amusing, and clearly exposes the level from which you operate.

Still in denial about Soledar? Show us your latest phallic wunderwaffen.

[bsnub]

Outgunned, and outclassed. Just like you, when you try and debate.

You really are a laughable clown. You could not debate your way out of a wet paper sack. No one has suffered more humiliation on this thread than you, and it is not even close. You also are far in the lead when it comes to posting lies and falsehoods as well.

Your source...

Military Watch Magazine

Analysis / Bias

Military Watch Magazine focuses on reporting defense-related events and publishes articles that are generally in line with the Russian Government’s narrative.

In review, they are highly biased in favor of Russia; for example, in the article “Indian and African Students Face Violence in Ukraine: Extremist Militias Target Non-Europeans – Reports,” a quote reads, “A number of sources have reported that white supremacist militias which have played a key role in the Ukrainian war effort have targeted foreigners, particularly Indians living in the country, in particular preventing them from leaving and using them as human shields against Russian attacks.” The article mentions “The Azov Battalion,” which has been a part of Russian propaganda, amplified by the Russian state news outlet RT. In the article, Military Watch repeats Russia’s narrative that there is a Nazi influence in Ukraine.

The Azov Battalion is a real extremist group that became (and still is) a faction in Ukraine’s national guard, but to equate them with having a “key role in the Ukrainian war effort” is to overstate their size and influence vastly.

Many articles are republished on strangemilitarystories.com and usually contain emotionally loaded language, such as “Seven Years Since Russia’s Military Intervention to Thwart NATO in Syria: A Very Different War to Ukraine.” A quote from the article reads. “Russia’s military operation in Syria is widely considered one of the most successful in the country’s history with minimal losses and objectives secured quickly and efficiently.” The wording appears to be praising and criticizing at the same time.

Another quote reads, “The confidence provided by the operation may well have been responsible for the ‘victory disease,’ as it is sometimes referred to, which fueled the complacency.” Therefore, this “hampered Russian effectiveness when intervening in Ukraine seven years later – a campaign which has had very different results.”

Another aspect of Military Watch Magazine is they do not list author information for articles published on the website, which presents a lack of transparency and makes it difficult to verify the information. For example, although they provide a hyperlink to credible sources like Reuters and N.Y. Times, there is no author information. An example is “U.S. Sees Attacks on Russian Nord Stream Pipelines as ‘Tremendous Opportunity’: State Secretary Blinken” and “Despite Hawkish Positions on China and Korea, Shinzo Abe Was Critical of Ukraine’s Zelensky and NATO’s Russia Stance.”

While Military Watch Magazine attempts to provide some balance, most articles hold a right-leaning bias and promote pro-Russian propaganda that can be misleading or false.

Failed Fact Checks

• A third-party fact-checker has not fact-checked them to date.

Overall, we rate Military Watch Magazine Right-Center Biased and questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and a complete lack of transparency regarding who is in charge of the website and where they originate. (M. Huitsing 10/05/2022)

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/milit...magazine-bias/



What a clown.

[Hugh Cow]

^Mentioned the Azov battallion. Didnt mention Wagner mercenaries or the criminal that runs them then?

[sabang]

Using Ukraine as a Bloodied Pawn

by Ted Galen Carpenter Posted onJanuary 11, 2023

U.S. and NATO officials routinely contend that assisting Ukraine in its war against Russia is a moral as well as a strategic imperative. Ukraine is supposedly on the frontlines of a global struggle between democracy and freedom on one side and brutal authoritarianism on the other. That justification lacks credibility for two reasons. First, Ukraine itself is a corrupt, repressive autocracy, not a freedom-loving democracy, even if one uses the most flexible, expansive definition of "democracy." Second, the Russia-Ukraine war is a nasty turf fight over mundane stakes, not part of an existential global confrontation between good and evil.

It is hard to determine how much Western political leaders and their media mouthpieces actually believe their own moralistic propaganda. Some likely have drunk the Kool Aid, but others clearly have more practical (and less savory) reasons for wanting Washington to wage a proxy war against Russia. First and foremost, the financial benefits to the military-industrial complex are enormous. The United States has already provided more than $100 billion in aid to Kyiv, and a major portion of those funds are going to pay for Ukraine’s purchases (now or in the near future) of weapons systems from Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, or other manufacturers. Those firms also will benefit from the destruction of weapons already provided to Kyiv, since US stockpiles supposedly must be replenished. The usual collection of hawks already are sounding alarms that the arsenals of the United States and its NATO allies have become significantly depleted.

However, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin may have inadvertently disclosed a broader, ignoble motive for the proxy war. An April 2022 statement that he issued in Poland at the end of his stealth visit to Kyiv emphasized that Washington’s goal was not merely to help Ukraine repel Russia’s invasion, but to "weaken Russia" to the point that it could no longer pose a threat to any other country. Achieving such an objective would indisputably require a prolonged war in Ukraine – regardless of the consequences to the Ukrainian people.

That cynical strategy replicates the one the United States used in Afghanistan between 1979 and 1989 to aid mujahidin fighters resist the Soviet army of occupation. Jimmy Carter’s national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, later disclosed that the Carter administration had started the flow of weapons even before Moscow launched its direct military intervention in December 1979 to prop-up Afghanistan’s faltering, pro-communist government. The amount and potency of weapons given to the mujahidin accelerated greatly under President Ronald Reagan.

The goal in Afghanistan then, as it is in Ukraine now, was simply to harass and bleed Washington’s adversary. Then, as now, there was little concern about the impact on the beleaguered inhabitants in the country serving as an arena for a proxy war – and surprisingly little concern about the wider geo-political ramifications. Tom Twetten, the number 2 official in the CIA’s clandestine service during the 1980s, later admitted that US leaders had no postwar plan for Afghanistan.

Washington’s seemingly open-ended commitment to aid Kyiv creates a similar danger. In September 2022 and again in November 2022, Secretary Austin pledged that US military support for Ukraine would continue "for as long as it takes" to prevail against Russia’s aggression. For his part, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s New Year’s address seemed designed to prepare the Russian people for a long war. The conditions are in place for a lengthy war of attrition that will leave Ukraine totally in ruins. In early November 2022, Gen. Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, estimated that Russia and Ukraine had each suffered more than 100,000 dead and wounded already. The prospect of how many casualties will occur if the war goes on should be horrifying to any decent person.

The question arises whether the Biden administration is cynical enough to continue waging its proxy war to the last Ukrainian. Unfortunately, given Washington’s conduct in Afghanistan during the 1980s, that scenario appears to be all-too-plausible. Instead, the administration should push for negotiations to end the bloodbath in Ukraine as soon as possible. That policy change means rescinding the blank check of military support that Washington has given to Kyiv. The current policy is both reckless and cruel.

Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow in defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute, is the author of 13 books and more than 1,100 articles on international affairs. His latest book is Unreliable Watchdog: The News Media and U.S. Foreign Policy (2022).

https://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Gal...bloodied-pawn/

Reckless and cruel, plus highly detrimental to your so called European 'allies'. Take another bow, neo-cons and their apologists. After Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now Ukraine, trillions of dollars of wasted US taxpayer money and goodness knows how many destroyed and shattered lives- when will the American people finally realise what losers they are.

[Norton]

I wonder what that was about- back room politics?

Could be for many reasons. Putin has been known to pit subordinates against each other to gain favor with him.

Could be the former Chief of the General Staff better placed to bring more military might to the war. Naval and Air Force assests along with Army.

The Putin vid scolding his subordinates was for local consumption for reasons of diverting blame from himself to others for war failures and showing he is in charge of the situation.

[Backspin]

Hmmm i wonder what kind of weapons are in the fridge ?...cough ...chem/bio cough cough

https://twitter.com/rybar_en/status/...dWdzeOBSw&s=19

[sabang]

^ Can't open it. Is it seditious, cancelled under the Thought crimes act?

[bsnub]

Hmmm i wonder what kind of weapons are in the fridge ?...cough ...chem/bio cough cough

Go away, you utter imbecile. The guy in that video is a commander of a tactical air reconnaissance group fighting in Soledar, and they are not making some chemical weapons, you utter idiot. They are assembling explosive kamikaze drones.

Literally every time you post in here it is utterly laughable shit that even a child could recognize as complete horseshit you gullible moron.

[pickel]

Plenty of videos out there of Madyars Birds. Quite entertaining actually. They film all their work, and don't use chemical weapons. Socal is just a gullible fool.

[pickel]

Could be for many reasons. Putin has been known to pit subordinates against each other to gain favor with him.

Could be the former Chief of the General Staff better placed to bring more military might to the war. Naval and Air Force assests along with Army.

The Putin vid scolding his subordinates was for local consumption for reasons of diverting blame from himself to others for war failures and showing he is in charge of the situation.

Gerasimov was put in by Putin as a message to Prigozhin to wind his neck in. Prighozin doesn't like Gerasimov. The Russian Army is now claiming they took Soledar, and barely mentioned Wagner in a press briefing. The Wagner Group took it and lost a lot of men doing it. I think Putin planned it that way. Can't have a rival with a large private army.

[bsnub]

The Russian Army is now claiming they took Soledar, and barely mentioned Wagner in a press briefing. The Wagner Group took it and lost a lot of men doing it.

They took a pile of rubble and lost over 5,000 men doing it. Literally sending in human waves of men, and after all of that the Ukrainians still controlled the most important parts, that being the highway and the rail line.

Now the Wagner and the army are bickering about who took a useless pile of rubble. Utterly laughable.

[Norton]

They took a pile of rubble and lost over 5,000 men doing it.

True and sure Ukranian losses high as well.
No strategic reason for taking it but Putin in need of a victory of some sort.

[bsnub]

True and sure Ukranian losses high as well.

Ukrainians are not being shot for retreating or refusing to advance into direct gun fire like the Russians. High casualties, yes, but nowhere close to what the Russians have taken.

[OhOh]

The real question is why a person would think otherwise.

Henry Kissinger: "To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal"
"Even if you are a ‘friend’ of the US they will still stab you in the back if there is money involved."

Why did Henry Kissinger once say, 'To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal'? - Quora

A current example. NaGaStan sales of LNG to Europe

[Troy]

Ukrainians are not being shot for retreating or refusing to advance into direct gun fire like the Russians. High casualties, yes, but nowhere close to what the Russians have taken.

Nobody except Ukraine and Russia really knows the casualty figures for either side. They won't be known until the war ends. However I wouldn't read too much into them.

[OhOh]

[QUOTE=Norton;4470410]For several minutes he accused Denis Manturov of bureaucratic delays in ordering civilian and military planes.

Your link:

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...fooling-around

Headline:

Russian aviation industry didn't receive a single contract to produce a passenger plane in 2022.

[QUOTE=Norton;4470409]If contracts are in place to make stuff. Appears none are.

For passenger planes.


[QUOTE=Norton;4470410]Russian President Vladimir Putin lost his cool during his government's first meeting of 2023, publicly telling off the trade and industry minister.
Russia's Putin lays into minister Manturov for 'fooling aroun

(Sentence 1

For several minutes he accused Denis Manturov of bureaucratic delays in ordering civilian and military planes.

(Sentence 2

"Too long, it is taking too long," said the Russian leader, who has never been one to hold back in criticising top officials in public.

Sentence 3:

"What are you fooling around for? When will the contracts be signed?" ....

Russia'''s Putin lays into minister Manturov for '''fooling around''' - BBC News
The BBC Report has no quotation marks around Sentence 1.

Factually, the BBC published his opinion. No facts.

The BBC Report has some quotation marks around the initial part of sentence 2.

Factually, the BBC published some facts and his opinion.

The BBC Report has quotation marks around both parts of Sentence 3.

Factually, the BBC published, two portions, both marked as an external source using quotation marks, as facts.

[bsnub]

Nobody except Ukraine and Russia really knows the casualty figures for either side.

Well, I was told what I posted by a Ukrainian who is in direct contact with members of a brigade that is directly engaged in the fighting. He is a colleague of mine and a veteran who served in the Donbas in '14-15.

[Iceman123]

Well, I was told what I posted by a Ukrainian who is in direct contact with members of a brigade that is directly engaged in the fighting. He is a colleague of mine and a veteran who served in the Donbas in '14-15.

Could this bellend get any dumber?

[harrybarracuda]

Henry Kissinger: "To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal"
"Even if you are a ‘friend’ of the US they will still stab you in the back if there is money involved."

Why did Henry Kissinger once say, 'To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal'? - Quora

A current example. NaGaStan sales of LNG to Europe

Oh dear hoohoo, that's your fellow wanketeer's hero you're disparaging there.

[Backspin]

Go away, you utter imbecile. The guy in that video is a commander of a tactical air reconnaissance group fighting in Soledar, and they are not making some chemical weapons, you utter idiot. They are assembling explosive kamikaze drones.

Literally every time you post in here it is utterly laughable shit that even a child could recognize as complete horseshit you gullible moron.

Labelled RTB: Ricin toxin binding subunit B

[pickel]

^
I see PTB. Gullible fool.

[helge]

Kyrillic ?

[pickel]

They are either homemade explosives, or custom made modified batteries. Do you really think they would be putting chemical weapons on the internet and handling it without protection? How do you write gullible fool in Cyrillic?

[helge]

Don't know

Haven't read your posts.

Just skimmed the last,,and know that 'R' is 'P' in kyrillic.

CCCP

[Backspin]

Kyrillic ?

Yes. P is R.

Recombinant Ricin Toxin Binding Subunit B Recombinant Ricin Toxin Binding Subunit B (RTB) Stimulates Production of TNF-α by Mouse Macrophages Through Activation of TLR4 Signaling Pathway - PubMed