Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

The Ukrainian Army wants not only to annihilate pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine but also wipe out the region’s heroic history of resisting the Nazi onslaught in World War II.

We had just received the news that another shelling had taken place.

To be sure, the school we had just left had been hit for the umpteenth time with a 155 mm NATO-made missile during the morning hours.
The quasi-totality of the window frames was covered with wood panels which bore witness to the almost frantic desire of the NATO-supported Kyiv regime not only to target the most vulnerable but also to impede the transmission of remembrance in an attempt to eradicate the future.

In what has become a grim reminder of the daily ordeal suffered by the population of Donetsk these past nine years, we drove to the site of the bombardment only to discover that this time the target had been the football stadium.

Known as the Donbas Arena, this state-of-the-art stadium had been home to the Shakhtar Donetsk (the Donetsk Coal Miners) football team since its inauguration in 2009.

It embodied the vibrant economy of the region and its then-attractiveness to foreign investors. (The structure had been built and completed ahead of schedule by a Turkish consortium and its architectural style was conceived by a famed British designer.) The DONBAS ARENA was selected to host a few games of the 2012 European Football Championships, including a semi-final game featuring future champion Spain.

[Source: Photo courtesy of Arnaud Develay]

What immediately struck me upon arriving at the site was that it was built adjacent to the city’s war memorial in Lenin Komsomol Park.

Known as the Monument dedicated to the DONBAS Liberators, the site features a towering 18-meter high sculpture depicting a soldier and a miner (Donetsk’s name during the Soviet Era was Stalino and as the symbol of the city’s then-vibrant mining industry, “Stalino” had been named as twin city to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) jointly holding a sword with its edge planted firmly in the ground.

At the foot of the statue stands the entrance to a museum with an eternal flame.

The Monument was dedicated to “the memory of all military units and formations that liberated Donbas during the Great Patriotic War.”

[Source: Photo courtesy of Arnaud Develay]

The contrast between the gravitas oozing from this place in opposition to the consumerism, almost pagan rituals, symbolized by the stadium situated a stone’s throw away highlights the struggle currently taking place in this part of the world against the unhinged forces of materialism.

World War II memorial. [Source: Photo courtesy of Arnaud Develay]

The cult of money and ephemera-like gratification of supporting football teams stands in stark contrast with the timeless sobriety and dignified undertones emanating from the site where the names of thousands of martyrs are forever etched in dark granite.
In the background, the thundering of artillery resonated sporadically in the grim grey sky as if to remind the visitor that the war is ongoing and that its outcome is still uncertain.

This dichotomy plays out throughout all of the Donbas.

We then drove to a place where the current war might very well have turned out completely differently had it not been for a few soldiers turning the tide of fate against incredible odds back in 2014.

As a place where the forces of nihilism also attempted to eradicate the memory of those who had given their lives in liberating the region, Saur-Mogila was “the focal point of intense fighting, when Soviet troops managed to retake control of the height from German forces in August 1943. In 1963, a memorial complex was unveiled at the top of the hill to honor fallen soldiers, comprising an obelisk with a steel-and-concrete statue of a Soviet soldier, four steel-and-concrete sculptures built along the slope leading up to the obelisk (each memorializing infantrymen, tank men, artillerymen and airmen involved in the battle), and walls inscribed with the names of fallen soldiers in the battle.”[1]

[Source: Photo courtesy of Arnaud Develay]

In May 2014, the Kyiv junta launched a massive military attack on this highly strategic hill. They started by bombing World War II war memorials. A few DPR volunteers managed to contain the offensive by calling their artillery gunners to target their own coordinates with the intention of inflicting huge casualties on the enemy.

This tactic succeeded in allowing the Republic of Donetsk time to mobilize in a way conducive to survival in order to prolong the struggle. “Alec,” one of these heroes, was with us and told us about the ferocity of the fighting. He joined the ranks of the volunteers at 48 years old. He is now 57. He testifies that, in the heat of the moment, he called on his commanders “to bomb the Germans.”

Former SBU operative Vassili Prozorov perfectly captured the war for the control of the narrative going in Ukraine for at least 20 years. In his documentary

Oleksii Arestovych, a former intelligence officer now serving as an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, once

These are the stakes of the Special Military Operation.

https://covertactionmagazine.com/202...n-remembrance/

[bsnub]

Russia has never taken out any HIMARS. Not ever.



But they claim to have destroyed 600+ of them to date.

Russia Claims 600+ HIMARS Kills, Blowing Its Credibility to Bits

Sabang and his clown car.

[sabang]

^ Oleksii Arestovych, a former intelligence officer now serving as an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, once stated that “Ukraine’s national narrative is predicated on a lie that we tell ourselves and others for if the truth was to come out, the country would cease to exist.”[3]

[bsnub]

The Ukrainian Army wants not only to annihilate pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine but also wipe out the region’s heroic history of resisting the Nazi onslaught in World War II.

More clown car shit. You just can not help but make a fool of yourself. Switching gears as always when you are being made a fool of.

[sabang]

Any viewer can see for themselves who is making a fool of themself recruit snubski- they don't require your translation. As a matter of interest, are there any more disused ice hockey stadiums in the Ukraine where they bivouac off duty players in sleeping bags, on the now defrosted ice rink floor?

[sabang]

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, known for his staunch support for Ukraine, recently revealed his greatest fear for this winter to a TV interviewer in his native Norway: that the fighting in Ukraine could spin out of control and become a major war between NATO and Russia. "If things go wrong," he cautioned solemnly, "they can go horribly wrong."

It was a rare admission from someone so involved in the war, and reflects the dichotomy in recent statements between U.S. and NATO political leaders on one hand and military officials on the other. Civilian leaders still appear committed to waging a long, open-ended war in Ukraine, while military leaders, such as the US Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley, have spoken out and urged Ukraine to "seize the moment" for peace talks.

Retired Admiral Michael Mullen, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair, spoke out first, maybe testing the waters for Milley, telling ABC News that the United States should "do everything we possibly can to try to get to the table to resolve this thing."

Asia Times reported that other NATO military leaders share Milley’s view that neither Russia nor Ukraine can achieve an outright military victory, while French and German military assessments conclude that the stronger negotiating position Ukraine has gained through its recent military successes will be short-lived if it fails to heed Milley’s advice.

So why are US and NATO military leaders speaking out so urgently to reject the perpetuation of their own central role in the war in Ukraine? And why do they see such danger in the offing if their political bosses miss or ignore their cues for the shift to diplomacy?

A Pentagon-commissioned Rand Corporation study published in December, titled Responding to a Russian Attack on NATO During the Ukraine War, provides clues as to what Milley and his military colleagues find so alarming. The study examines US options for responding to four scenarios in which Russia attacks a range of NATO targets, from a US intelligence satellite or a NATO arms depot in Poland to larger-scale missile attacks on NATO air bases and ports, including Ramstein US Air Base and the port of Rotterdam.

These four scenarios are all hypothetical and premised on a Russian escalation beyond the borders of Ukraine. But the authors’ analysis reveals just how fine and precarious the line is between limited and proportionate military responses to Russian escalation and a spiral of escalation that can spin out of control and lead to nuclear war.

The final sentence of the study’s conclusion reads: "The potential for nuclear use adds weight to the US goal of avoiding further escalation, a goal which might seem increasingly critical in the aftermath of a limited Russian conventional attack." Yet other parts of the study argue against de-escalation or less-than-proportionate responses to Russian escalations, based on the same concerns with US"credibility" that drove devastating but ultimately futile rounds of escalation in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and other lost wars.

US political leaders are always afraid that if they do not respond forcefully enough to enemy actions,their enemies (now including China) will conclude that their military moves can decisively impact US policy and force the United States and its allies to retreat. But escalations driven by such fears have consistently led only to even more decisive and humiliating US defeats.

In Ukraine, US concerns about "credibility" are compounded by the need to demonstrate to its allies that NATO’s Article 5 – which says that an attack on one NATO member will be considered an attack on all – is a truly watertight commitment to defend them.

So US policy in Ukraine is caught between the reputational need to intimidate its enemies and support its allies on the one hand, and the unthinkable real-world dangers of escalation on the other. If US leaders continue to act as they have in the past, favoring escalation over loss of "credibility," they will be flirting with nuclear war, and the danger will only increase with each twist of the escalatory spiral.

As the absence of a "military solution" slowly dawns on the armchair warrior politicians in Washington and NATO capitals, they are quietly slipping more conciliatory positions into their public statements. Most notably, they are replacing their previous insistence that Ukraine must be restored to its pre-2014 borders, meaning a return of all the Donbas and Crimea, with a call for Russia to withdraw only to pre-February 24, 2022, positions, which Russia had previously agreed to in negotiations in Turkey in March.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken toldThe Wall Street Journal on December 5th that the goal of the war is now "to take back territory that’s been seized from [Ukraine] since February 24th." The WSJ reported that "Two European diplomats… said [US National Security Adviser Jake] Sullivan recommended that Mr. Zelensky’s team start thinking about its realistic demands and priorities for negotiations, including a reconsideration of its stated aim for Ukraine to regain Crimea, which was annexed in 2014."
In another article, The Wall Street Journal quoted German officials saying, "they believe it is unrealistic to expect the Russian troops will be fully expelled from all the occupied territories," while British officials defined the minimum basis for negotiations as Russia’s willingness to "withdraw to positions it occupied on February 23rd."

One of Rishi Sunak’s first actions as U.K. Prime Minister at the end of October was to have Defense Minister Ben Wallace call Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu for the first time since the Russian invasion in February. Wallace told Shoigu the UK wanted to de-escalate the conflict, a significant shift from the policies of former Prime Ministers Boris Johnson and Liz Truss.

A major stumbling block holding Western diplomats back from the peace table is the maximalist rhetoric and negotiating positions of President Zelensky and the Ukrainian government, which has insisted since April that it will not settle for anything short of full sovereignty over every inch of territory that Ukraine possessed before 2014.

But that maximalist position was itself a remarkable reversal from the position Ukraine took at cease-fire talks in Turkey in March, when it agreed to give up its ambition to join NATO and not to host foreign military bases in exchange for a Russian withdrawal to its pre-invasion positions. At those talks, Ukraine agreed to negotiate the future of Donbas and to postpone a final decision on the future of Crimea for up to 15 years.

The Financial Times broke the story of that 15-point peace plan on March 16, and Zelensky explained the "neutrality agreement" to his people in a national TV broadcast on March 27, promising to submit it to a national referendum before it could take effect.

But then UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson intervened on April 9 to quash that agreement. He told Zelensky that the UK and the "collective West" were "in it for the long run" and would back Ukraine to fight a long war, but would not sign on to any agreements Ukraine made with Russia.

This helps to explain why Zelensky is now so offended by Western suggestions that he should return to the negotiating table. Johnson has since resigned in disgrace, but he left Zelensky and the people of Ukraine hanging on his promises.

In April, Johnson claimed to be speaking for the "collective West," but only the United States publicly took a similar position, while France, Germany and Italy all called for new cease-fire negotiations in May. Now Johnson himself has done an about-face, writing in an Op-Ed for The Wall Street Journal on December 9 only that "Russian forces must be pushed back to the de facto boundary of February 24th."

Johnson and Biden have made a shambles of Western policy on Ukraine, politically gluing themselves to a policy of unconditional, endless war that NATO military advisers reject for the soundest of reasons: to avoid the world-ending World War III that Biden himself promised to avoid.

U.S. and NATO leaders are finally taking baby steps toward negotiations, but the critical question facing the world in 2023 is whether the warring parties will get to the negotiating table before the spiral of escalation spins catastrophically out of control.

https://original.antiwar.com/mbenjam...e-ukraine-war/

[pickel]

Very unfair moderation. If you and ilk come out with some vastly exaggerated "report' from a pro-Ukrainian source, it is allowed to stand. But anything deemd to be 'Russian' or pro-Russian- instantly shitcanned. But that is what this forum has become, sigh. Even you reminisce about the time when i was a mod recruit snubski. That TD is long dead.

Even Igor Girkin, and many pro Russian mil-bloggers are saying there were hundreds killed in the attack on the Russian barracks. Not exactly pro Ukrainian sources.

[harrybarracuda]

Even Igor Girkin, and many pro Russian mil-bloggers are saying there were hundreds killed in the attack on the Russian barracks. Not exactly pro Ukrainian sources.

sabang doesn't care. He'll cling to his witless propaganda sources no matter how fucking ridiculous they sound.

[sabang]

Snubski says there were 600 killed. Believe what you want, I don't think anyone cares what you think except other boneheads.

[harrybarracuda]

How inconvenient that French TV were there at the time, and filmed this "total horseshit".

I think the "total horseshit" bit comes from the fact that the actual story from the French is:

Paul Gasnier, who was on the ground with colleagues Heloise Gregoire and Theo Palfray, was shown reporting live for the French TV channel TMC when an explosion occurred just behind them.
Following the blast, dismayed staff in the studio were shown on TV screens, but Gasnier and his crew managed to reestablish their connection and continue their broadcast to Paris following the break.
The journalists admitted being scared, but said no one among the team was injured.
However, two other people were injured and the Altair ice hockey arena was destroyed in the airstrike.
The attack also damaged the MAN Hotel, the bus station, a church, a residential building and outbuildings in the city, according to reports.

The rest of it is from your stupid southfront troll factory.

You're an idiot. I think you genuinely think people will believe your feeble attempts at passing off propaganda as news.

[pickel]

Snubski says there were 600 killed.

So do some of the Russians I mentioned. You're more loyal to Putin than his own propagandists are.

[OhOh]

Quote Originally Posted by 39TG View Post
I find it hard to work out.

One more

12.

Zoltan Pozsar: The dusk of the petrodollar, the dawn of petroyuan


Credit Suisse contributor Zoltan Pozsar has continued his ongoing series about Bretton Woods III where commodities will dictate the new world order. For his last dispatch of the year, he described how the world is now shifting to a multipolar order “being built not by G7 heads of state but by the ‘G7 of the East’ (the BRICS heads of state).”


"BRICS stands for the group of five nations: Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. But Pozsar said that with the poised expansion via rumored applications for Saudi Arabia, Turkey, or Egypt, he took the liberty to round up the current “G5.”

The author focused on Chinese President Xi Jinping’s speech at the recent summit in the Arab states, which for Pozsar is very telling on how Beijing plans to outmaneuver the West in global economy.

“Fixed income investors should care – not just because the invoicing of oil in renminbi will hurt the dollar’s might, but also because commodity encumbrance means more inflation for the West,” Pozsar said.

In the next three to five years, China is ready to work with GCC [Gulf Cooperation Council] countries in the following priority areas: first, setting up a new paradigm of all-dimensional energy cooperation, where China will continue to import large quantities of crude oil on a long-term basis from GCC countries, and purchase more LNG. We will strengthen our cooperation in the upstream sector, engineering services, as well as [downstream] storage, transportation, and refinery. The Shanghai Petroleum and Natural Gas Exchange platform will be fully utilized for RMB settlement in oil and gas trade, […] and we could start currency swap cooperation and advance the m-CBDC Bridge project. Pozsar quoted Xi’s speech

In dissecting Xi’s timeline of “three to five years,” Pozsar explained that in market terms, this means that five-year forward five-year inflation breakevens should discount a world in which oil and gas are invoiced not only in dollars but also in renminbi, and in which some oil and gas are not available at low prices (and in dollars) for the West because they have been encumbered by the East.

“My sense is that the market is starting to realize that the world is going from unipolar to multipolar politically, but the market has yet to make the leap that in the emerging multipolar world order, cross-currency bases will be smaller, commodity bases will be greater, and inflation rates in the West will be higher,” the author explained.

He added that inflation traders “should be paranoid, not complacent,” saying that “inflation breakevens do not seem to price any geopolitical risk.”

Zoltan Pozsar: The dusk of the petrodollar, the dawn of petroyuan – GREEK MEDIA GROUP

[helge]

So do some of the Russians I mentioned. You're more loyal to Putin than his own propagandists are.

How about:

We don't really know

[HermantheGerman]

Like this one. Notice the Nazi sitting on the head

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^
I hear that they have removed statues of Dostojevskij.

Too russian ?

Reminds me of:

Bamiyan Buddhas

[HermantheGerman]

Absolutely

[HermantheGerman]

[helge]

Dostovjevskij ?

No, Duc de Richelieu

Bit of a fraud, are you Herman ?

[bsnub]

Reminds me of:

Bamiyan Buddhas

Oh my god. I did not think that anyone would out stupid sabang today. You just did.

[helge]

Oh my god. I did not think that anyone would out stupid sabang today. You just did.

I'm devastated



Guy is unhappy

Effect of EU sanctions on Moscow is ‘less than zero’ – MEP

Member of the European Parliament Guy Verhofstadt. © Francois WALSCHAERTS / POOL / AFP

Despite the bloc’s attempts to punish Russia, imports from the country have soared, Guy Verhofstadt says Member of the European Parliament Guy Verhofstadt. © Francois WALSCHAERTS / POOL / AFP
The EU’s sanctions on Russia over the Ukraine conflict have been a complete failure, Belgian member of the European Parliament Guy Verhofstadt said on Monday. He added that the EU was only “rewarding” Russia by increasing imports from the country.
Writing on Twitter, Verhofstadt, who served as Belgian prime minister from 1999 to 2008 and has been an MEP since 2009, claimed that the effect of the EU’s nine packages of sanctions on Moscow “is less than 0.”
The former PM said that in the bloc’s attempts to punish Russia, it has achieved the opposite result. “We are rewarding Russia for its war against us!”



More :

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1609852454698635267

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Sorry for the Tai add

See if I can make the twitter link active

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/s...52454698635267

[bsnub]

Fake news...

https://teakdoor.com/world-news/2093...ml#post4466776 (Russia launches Ukraine invasion)

BREAKING: Ukrainian Military Suffered Heavy Losses In Russian Strike In Druzhkovka, DPR

At night, Russian missile hit the military target in the village of Druzhkovka in the Donetsk People’s Republic which remains under control of Ukrainian military.
The strike took place right at the moment of an on air broadcast by French TV reporter. The locals also filmed the destruction.

How inconvenient that French TV were there at the time, and filmed this "total horseshit".

I am not sure why this fake news is allowed to stay on the news forum. I already exposed it as fake. The French reporter was not even in Druzhkovka when that video was shot. It was filmed in Kramatorsk. The proof...

Des journalistes de Quotidien surpris par un bombardement en Ukraine - Quotidien | TMC

Video header translated...

Paul Gasnier, Héloïse Grégoire and Théo Palfray are in Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine. Shortly before going on air, they were surprised by a bombardment a few tens of meters from where they were.

The truth is, the Russians actually hit an empty hockey rink in Druzhkovka. This part of the article is a complete fabrication...

As a result of missile and air strikes on a cluster of military equipment near the Druzhkovka railway station in the Donetsk People’s Republic, two launchers of multiple rocket launchers “HIMARS” made in the USA; four combat vehicles of multiple rocket launchers RM-70 “Vampire” Czech production; more than 800 rockets to multiple rocket launchers; six cars, as well as up to 120 Ukrainian servicemen were destroyed, – the report of the Russian MOD reads.

The Russian MOD has a history of making ridiculously inflated casualty claims after suffering great losses themselves. This is just more of the same.

The source of the article...

USSANews.com: An anonymously run conservative news site that has promoted false claims, including about COVID-19 and U.S. politics.

USSA News — short for United Socialist States of America — has reposted content from various sites found by NewsGuard to repeatedly publish false content, including TheGatewayPundit.com, NOQReport.com, and RedVoiceMedia.com. USSANews.com was a leading source of false coverage on the 2022 midterms, promoting debunked claims that a Georgia automobile fire destroyed mail-in ballots and that Arizona’s Maricopa County “lost” almost 300,000 votes.

Sabang pushing porkies again.

[panama hat]

Effect of EU sanctions on Moscow is ‘less than zero’ – MEP

And you had to highlight that? The wording alone 'less than zero' should give you an indication that it is rubbish.

[harrybarracuda]

The source of the article...

Is southfront.

Sabang pushing porkies again.

That's all he does.

[helge]

And you had to highlight that? The wording alone 'less than zero' should give you an indication that it is rubbish.

Is that a flemish expression ?

I am surprised if the numbers hold up.

Do they, PH ?