Ukraine war mega thread

[Iceman123]

Norton did it.

No, you did it.

It should have been done earlier, Snubski and Harry appear to have a green light to spread their inane and childish abuse at anyone who does not agree with their myopic pov.

[Neverna]

Norton did it.

But why?

And why was the thread allowed to go on so long like it did?

[Neverna]

Norton did it.

Norton
Last activity: Today 06:15 PM



So does that mean Norton uses another nic to mod?


39TG ?

[Neverna]

^ Just joking about 39TG.

[helge]

Snubski and Harry appear to have a green light to spread their inane and childish abuse at anyone who does not agree with their myopic pov.

Friends of Misskit and that other incompetent mod

And why was the thread allowed to go on so long like it did?

Because it has merit.

Shows who we are.

[helge]

This is why your posts are pointless. Whatever you post always ends up with an anti western pro russia / china bent. (ho hum surprise, surprise) Even in this little piece of self justification your bias shows through when you are refering to a regime headed by an hereditary dictator whose crimes against his own people are well documented as the President of Syria and the government as if to legitimise a violent murderous regime.
As to "A lot of people more prominent than I thought the same thing" is a non sequitur. You need to think a little more critically if you wish to claw back any semblance of credibility that you have lost long ago. While it would be incorrect to label you a shill, your pro dictator anti western stance combined with your total avoidance of any criticism of said dictators makes you the butt of jokes and regarded as the Tokyo Rose of TD. Someone who is listened to only as a source of amusement. Hence the invective aimed towards you. You cannot expect a well balanced logical argument in return when you do not offer the same. Either post with more objectivity and get more intellectual interaction or just keep posting the same and be the butt of jokes and derision your posts deserve. Your choice.

I wouldn't mind reading your posts, if you could ....cut them up a bit.

Just want to post these few sentences

Pheww

Thought you were going to quote Harry's theories about, if only Asad stepped down, Syria would have democracy the week after.

Remember how we laughed at that ?

Fun times

[Backspin]

While your country is raking it in on energy and arms sales, and using the Ukrainian (both russophone and Galician) people as cannon fodder in a war they cannot win- doubly pathetic. Also committing an act of international terrorism to vandalise Europe's energy security. Limbo lower now.

This post sums up the entire war. Not much else has to be said.

[helge]

Oh
You dog housed it already ?

This thread has visits and replies.

If you look at TD statistics, you'll see that 'active members' and 'members visiting last 24 hours' are going ..down.

(my own observations)

Poor modding will crash this site and here we have another shit decision.

Well done

[helge]

This post sums up the entire war. Not much else has to be said.

Sums up a big part of it.

Apart from you, most north americans seems sommewhat lost on geopolitics

[sabang]

Western leaders can no longer hide the truth about Ukraine.


Recently, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen carelessly revealed the devastating cost of the Ukraine war.
“It is estimated that more than 20,000 civilians and 100,000 Ukrainian military personnel have died to date,” she said. The comment drew sharp backlash and the E.C. later deleted the comments from video recordings of the address. The censorship was left unexplained and demonstrated the confusion of the purveyors of the approved narrative.

If Von der Leyen’s estimate is true, that is nearly ten times the number of dead Ukrainian soldiers reported by the Ukrainian government. The E.C. president’s remark shows that even the strongest backers of this bloody and unnecessary war can no longer hide the truth: Ukraine is at risk of losing.
The mainstream media and the Biden administration insist ad nauseam that Ukraine is winning against Russia. But the facts on the ground do not fit the narrative and the administration and media know it. The war hawks know their cynical Ukraine policy has not succeeded in driving Russia out of Ukraine. Tragically, the Ukrainians are the ones who suffer the immense cost of this foreign policy failure. Their nation is ruined for the sake and at the instigation of the globalist American empire.
As Ukraine loses its grip on heavily defended and important crossroads around the city of Bakhmut, the Western press has commenced a campaign to downplay the importance of the loss. Defense Express reports: “UK Defense Intelligence States [t]hat Bakhmut's capture becomes primarily a symbolic, political objective for Russia.” Last week, the Financial Times published an article entitled: “Hell Just Hell: Ukraine and Russia's war of attrition over Bakhmut.” As the subtitle of the piece reads, “Soldiers say fighting in and around eastern Donetsk city is reminiscent of first world war-style trench conflict.”
The following information is an indication of the nature of the Ukrainian “victory” over the previous six months.
Ukraine has lost an estimated 20 percent of its territory. At least 22 percent of Ukrainian farmland is under Russian control. These areas are a large part of the territory identified in the Minsk II agreement that were to be governed as autonomous districts. Due to the failure of the Minsk II agreement, Russia declared its Special Military Operations to free these areas from the grip of the Ukrainian government. As of today, it appears Russia has come close to achieving some of its initial goals.

In May 2022, the United Nations Refugee Agency reported that nearly eight million Ukrainians have been internally displaced, with another six million registered as refugees. That number is likely to rise even higher this winter. As a result of the recent Russian missile attacks on the Ukrainian power grid, even more people are fleeing Ukraine. Europe expects hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees this winter due to the nation’s ruined cities. Kiev Mayor Vitali Klitschko may urge an evacuation of his city due to its failures to provide basic services to its population.
CNN reported a month ago that at least 30 percent of Ukrainian power stations are destroyed. BBC reports that six million Ukrainians are without power. EuroNews recently reported that two-thirds of Kiev is without power. An estimated 80 percent of Kiev is without water. News reports declare that Kiev is getting ready to survive without power, water and heating. Ukraine has evacuated cities that have become uninhabitable without heating or power. The World Health Organization warns millions of lives are “under threat” this winter.
Forbes Magazine reports that nearly half of Ukraine is without power. Newsweek reports that Ukraine's energy giant is running out of equipment to fix power outages. How long is the Ukrainian capital going to function without power?
The Ukrainian Central Bank estimates the nation’s 2022 GDP will decline by 32 percent, inflation will hit 30 percent, and unemployment will reach 30 percent. The New York Times reported Ukraine's agriculture industry has lost an estimated $23 billion from the war. The International Monetary Fund reports the Ukraine war has led to the worst food shortage since 2008. CNN reports that Ukraine's communications are entirely dependent on Elon Musk's Starlink system. If there are troubles with the system, the country goes dark.
Brookings reports: “The war has destroyed at least $127 billion of the nation’s buildings and other infrastructure, according to the Kyiv School of Economics.” The Washington Post reports the Ukrainians are asking for $700 billion in addition to the over $100 billion we have sent.
On the ground, Ukraine has had difficulty taking any territory actively defended by Russia. The recent “victory” of Ukraine capturing Kherson has evaporated. Ukraine is evacuating Kherson due to Russian shelling. The Ukrainian military machine is unable to maintain control of a city their opponent had evacuated. All the September and October Ukrainian offensives have stalled, and the Russians appear to be solidifying their lines of defense and dramatically increasing their forces in the field while Ukraine is drafting sixty-year-old men.
Ukraine is also losing its access to the resources it needs to continue the war. The U.S. and Europe are running out of weapons to send Ukraine. In addition, CNN reports weapons supplies for Ukraine are running low. Ukraine’s military equipment, especially its artillery, is crumbling and the West can’t replace much of what is breaking down.
Foreign Policy reports that NATO officials are very worried by the shortages. Even neocon Frederick Kagan admits NATO isn’t prepared for a conflict like Ukraine. “NATO doesn’t really plan to fight wars like this, and by that I mean wars with a super intensive use of artillery systems and lots of tank and gun rounds,” Kagan told Foreign Policy. “We were never stocked for this kind of war to begin with.” According to the CEO of Raytheon, Ukraine has used thirteen years of Javelin production in ten months.

It didn’t have to be this way. Ukraine and Russia could have made a lasting peace deal if it weren’t for the meddling of the Globalist American Empire. In March of 2022, the two sides appeared to be close to agreeing on terms to settle the conflict. It appeared that the agreement would assure Ukraine would never join NATO. The NATO issue is the biggest in this whole affair. The United States and United Kingdom thwarted this deal and the war has continued since, killing tens of thousands of Ukrainians, Russians, and others. Their blood is on the hands of U.S. and U.K. leaders.
U.S. defense contractors, politicians, and think tanks are profiting at the expense of Ukraine and its unfortunate citizens. The rest of Europe is suffering from the “maximum sanctions” aimed at Russia while Ukrainians continue to flee their own country. None of this suffering appears to concern the people in charge of American foreign policy. They don’t care about Ukraine’s ruin–they only care about sticking it to Russia. This is the inevitable product of a D.C. worldview that sees humans as cattle.
No doubt, the cost of the war to Russia has been high as well. They have miscalculated and made errors throughout this whole tragedy. But the narrative purveyed to the American people has not been honest or accurate. What does Ukraine gain by losing tens of thousands of lives and significant portions of its infrastructure? Many Ukrainians have lost their loved ones and face a brutal winter all for the sake of people like Ursula von der Leyen, Joe Biden, and their neocon handlers. It’s time for Western leaders face the truth, and pursue negotiations to save the Ukrainians from this human tragedy.

https://www.theamericanconservative....-this-winning/

[sabang]

Sorry, now this thread is Doghoused I cannot do a quick edit to make the format easier on the eye.

[Loy Toy]

I thought the thread was dog-housed from the start as the OP was Backspin.

[pickel]

Sorry, now this thread is Doghoused I cannot do a quick edit to make the format easier on the eye.

As I've told you many times before, you can do that in advanced mode and preview your post before you post it.

[sabang]

I will try and learn then.

[bsnub]

Apart from you, most north americans seems sommewhat lost on geopolitics

Not a surprise at all that you think skiddy has a clue about anything. Reinforcing that you in fact are utterly as dim as he is.

It should have been done earlier, Snubski and Harry appear to have a green light to spread their inane and childish abuse at anyone who does not agree with their myopic pov.

Banning you and Sabang from SC would solve most of the issues in this thread. Both completely clueless and talking out the sides of your mouths.

[AntRobertson]

Dearest Misskit,
I understand your exasperation and current lack of umph. It can happen to the best of us. Perhaps you could delegate some of your workload or perhaps a break or rest is necessary. I wish you well. But to your points; in order to change the things you mentioned here are my thoughts. I don’t expect to see any of them implemented (it’s been discussed several times here already and nothing changed) but here goes anyway.

Unwritten “Rules” – and some that that appear out of nowhere. I have been a member of TD for 11 years and not once have I seen anybody mention that news articles are not meant to be posted in Speakers. When did that rule come in? I suggest any rules you want posters to abide by, or guidelines you want members to follow, are written and left somewhere accessible for all members, old and new.

Name calling. That’s really easy to fix. Instruct mods to delete ALL posts with name calling in. Don’t forget to include this rule to the written rule/guideline list.
Another option to drastically reduce name calling would be to follow the Pareto Principle known as the "80/20" rule: “for many events, roughly 80% of effects come from 20% of the causes.” So to rid TD of 80% of the name calling, simply ban the two biggest culprits (harrybarracuda and Seekingasylum) from Speakers/news/wherever you don’t want name calling.

Mods: Insufficient mods, poorly trained or poorly instructed mods, conflicted mods, or lazy mods. Fixing any of those mod issues is simple enough. There’s no need for me to add anything else.

As for this thread, perhaps the Lounge would be better than Speakers at this stage in the thread's life.

Your humble poster,
Neville Everard Rupert Norman Asquith (the third).

Fair and reasonable suggestions, Neville The Third...

















...therefore you can expect them to be summarily ignored and may even find yourself on the personal vendetta shit-list of the mod(s) and have future posts fucked with you because *Reasons*.

[harrybarracuda]

Fair and reasonable suggestions, Neville The Third...

Except for this:

As for this thread, perhaps the Lounge would be better than Speakers at this stage in the thread's life.

[harrybarracuda]

No, you did it.

It should have been done earlier, Snubski and Harry appear to have a green light to spread their inane and childish abuse at anyone who does not agree with their myopic pov.

Says the person whose sole remit in life seems to be to go around feebly trying to have a smug dig at people.

Same with the scandihooligan wanker.

The thread is in the right place to deal with tossers like you.

[harrybarracuda]

Thought you were going to quote Harry's theories about, if only Asad stepped down, Syria would have democracy the week after.

Remember how we laughed at that ?

Fun times

Yes, I expect you did laugh civilian massacres and the civil war that ensued instead, because you're as thick as shit.

[sabang]

This is what happens when you give the likes of snubski and 'arry free rein. Everything is reduced to the lowest common denominator.

[pickel]

Everything is reduced to the lowest common denominator.

You're just as guilty in the name calling department "bonehead".

And posting disproven lies is a pretty low bar as well.

[NamPikToot]

Feel free to go at it, you're in a safe space now.

[pickel]

Feel free to go at it, you're in a safe space now.

And Ant can finally join the discussion.

[harrybarracuda]

You're just as guilty in the name calling department "bonehead".

And posting disproven lies is a pretty low bar as well.

Exactly.

But it's good to have somewhere in the DH where he can post all his shit, although he's obviously cheesed off about it as he's now trying to bump the Syrian thread with more pro-Putin nonsense.

[sabang]

Winners are Grinners.