Ukraine war mega thread

[pickel]

You're the one that has been caught lying, not me- and then you just double down and make it worse.

Got anything more from Intel Slava Z for us?

[sabang]

So well trained.

[harrybarracuda]

I didn't know you and hoohoo had meet ups.

[bsnub]

Got anything more from Intel Slava Z for us?

He really is a laughable clown. He has been made a fool of so many times in these threads I lost count. Not only that, but he always resorts to posting pictures when he is being clowned and has no comeback.

I didn't know you and hoohoo had meet ups.

[bsnub]

Back to reality....

One Bomb, One Kill: With GPS-Guided Munitions, Ukraine’s Pilots Could Hit The Russians Almost 100-Percent Of The Time


The U.S. Defense Department reportedly plans to equip the Ukrainian air force with satellite-guided bombs.

The Pentagon’s proposal to give the Ukrainians Joint Direct Attack Munitions, or JDAMs, could result in the most important single upgrade for either the Ukrainian or Russian air force since Russia widened its war on Ukraine back in February.

That’s because the JDAM is accurate, whereas almost all the other munitions the Russian and Ukrainian air arms are hanging on their MiG and Sukhoi fighters and bombers ... aren’t.

At present, a section of two Ukrainian Sukhoi Su-25 attack jets or Mikoyan MiG-29 fighters might expend a combined four unguided rockets or bombs for a chance at destroying a single target.

With JDAMs, the same two Su-25s or MiG-29s carrying two 500-pound JDAMs apiece feasibly could destroy four targets in a single sortie—and potentially at lower risk.

All that is to say, JDAM could change the air-power calculus as the Russia-Ukraine war grinds into its 10th month.

The JDAM plan, first reported by The Washington Post, isn’t a sure thing. It might still require the approval of U.S. president Joe Biden or his staff.

But if the transfer goes forward, it’s obvious what it would require: hardware and contract labor from U.S. defense firm Raytheon, bombs from U.S. military stocks and training for Ukraine’s fast-jet pilots.

It could happen quickly and without much fanfare. Consider how swiftly, and quietly, Washington this spring worked with Kyiv to modify the Ukrainian air force’s MiG-29s and Sukhoi Su-27 fighters to carry American-made, radar-destroying High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles.

JDAM isn’t really a bomb. It’s a guidance kit—one that fits on a variety of existing unguided munitions. The $25,000 kits, manufactured by Boeing, add a GPS seeker and steerable fins to 500-, 1,000- and 2,000-pound bombs.
It works something like this. A jet hauling JDAMs flies toward the battlefield. The pilot might already know the GPS coordinates of the enemy forces they want to strike. They also can receive updated coordinates mid-flight from spotters on the ground.

The pilot punches the target coordinates into a console that relays the data via a digital connection—a “MIL-STD-1760 interface”—that programs the bomb. They drop their bomb then fly away. The bomb picks up signals from GPS satellites, figures out where it is and where its target is, and navigates until it hits something solid.

As one of the first cheap and easy-to-integrate precision munitions, JDAM profoundly changed aerial warfare when it debuted in U.S. service in the late 1990s.

During World War II, an unguided bomb was likely to strike within 1,000 feet of its target. Thirty years later during the Vietnam War, the U.S. Air Force began using laser-guided bombs that usually struck within 400 feet of their aim-points. With JDAM, a bomb is likely to land 40 feet or fewer from its target—close enough to damage or destroy it, almost every time.

“What's the significance of using JDAMs as we have seen in multiple conflicts?” U.S. Air Force brigadier general Pat Ryder, the Pentagon’s press secretary, said in October. “[It’s] the ability to conduct precision strike, to be able to strike a target that you want to strike when you want to strike it.”

That’s “a distinct advantage on the battlefield,” Ryder said.

Compare that to the Russian method of aerial bombing, which the Ukrainians largely have copied. Lacking reliable satellite navigation, guidance kits and advanced training, the Russian air force still mostly assigns its pilots to drop unguided bombs or fire unguided rockets at pre-surveyed map coordinates. Kremlin planners pick the coordinates based on whatever battlefield intelligence they’ve received.

That results in Russian pilots risking their lives and planes to drop lots of bombs on map grids where there may or may not be anything worth destroying. Worse, they do so inaccurately. So even if there happens to be a Ukrainian tank or some other target in the vicinity, it’s unlikely any single bomb is going to inflict any damage.

It’s not quite World War II, all over—but it’s close.

If the Ukrainian air force integrates JDAM, gets a steady supply of guidance kits and can connect crews and planners with good sources of intelligence on the ground, it can begin knocking out a Russian target with almost every bomb it drops.

The key to it all is the MIL-STD-1760 interface. The problem, for the Americans and their Ukrainian allies, is that the MIL-STD-1760 was meant for Western-style aircraft with digital avionics. Basically, the planes and JDAM already spoke the same language.

Perhaps anticipating a day when the United States might need to rearm old analogue aircraft with new digital weapons, Raytheon over the last decade or so has patented a variety of interfaces for translating between MIL-STD-1760 data and other signal formats. Electrical translators, basically.

To see these translators in action, check out the Philippine air force’s aerial campaign targeting Islamic terrorists back in 2012. Raytheon modified The Philippines’ Vietnam War-vintage OV-10 turboprop attack planes to carry JDAMs, which the OV-10 crews then used to blow up the terrorists’ jungle hideouts.

We’ve already seen evidence of similar interfaces in use in Ukraine. It wasn’t long after the Ukrainian air force first copped to firing HARM missiles at Russian air-defenses that a photo circulated online depicting a hastily-crafted missile pylon, bolted to a MiG’s wing, that must contain a new data interface.

A similar interface, probably also made and installed by Raytheon, should allow a Ukrainian pilot, sitting in their MiG-29, Su-25 or Su-27, to send target coordinates to their JDAMs.

Can the Americans spare the bombs? The U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps between them have bought hundreds of thousands of JDAMs. But they also have dropped many of them in various wars and training exercises since the late 1990s.

In fact, U.S. JDAM stocks, while classified, might be pretty low. The Air Force bought just 1,900 JDAMs in its 2022 budget—a 90-percent reduction compared to the 31,000 JDAMs it paid for as part of the 2019 budget. But the production rate should begin to increase. The Air Force wants 4,200 JDAMs for 2023.

As U.S. forces acquire new JDAMs, Biden through his legal “drawdown” authority could send older JDAMs to Ukraine. It’s this same drawdown authority that equipped the Ukrainian air force with older HARMs within just a couple months of the Russian invasion in February.

Ukrainian pilots, flying the roughly 100 fast jets the Ukrainian air force has left, might need a bit of training before they can begin tossing JDAMs at the Russians. Expect them to embrace the most creative tactics.

One advantage JDAM has over older precision-bomb types is that its seeker, which communicates with overhead satellites, has a wide field of view—especially compared to, say, a laser-guided bomb. An LGB peers down at the ground, looking for the reflection of a specially-encoded laser. Hills, trees and buildings can block that laser light and send the munition off course. GPS-guided munitions suffer no such constraints.

So a pilot doesn’t need to think too hard about the bomb’s needs. Instead, they can focus on aggressive flying that protects them from enemy air-defenses. Ukrainian pilots have taken to flying really, really low—treetop height, really—to mask them from Russian radars.

With a load of 500-pound JDAMs underwing, a Ukrainian MiG pilot can stick to their low-flying habit. As they near the target zone, they can pitch up, release a bomb and send it arcing toward the enemy before they pull a hard turn, pop decoy flares and dive back toward the ground to escape enemy missiles.

The JDAM, hurtling in the general direction of the target, can find its GPS signal all on its own—and home in.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=40841d0b2b92

[OhOh]

Ukrainian air force

[Troy]

^ Intersting to know whether it would be feasible to fit the guidance kit to Ukraine bombs or whether gbu will be sent. Can they integrate into existing avionics or will they need to add extra avionics kit? Could be a complicated setup unless they can modify release calcs software to integrate directly into hud.
I'd have thought adapting kit to fit to Ukraine bombs would be more useful and easier option.

[pickel]

You're pretty naive if you think Ukraine doesn't have fighter jets and helicopters involved in active combat.

[bsnub]

Intersting to know whether it would be feasible to fit the guidance kit to Ukraine bombs or whether gbu will be sent.

I am sure GBU will be sent. As there are plenty of them close by in places like Poland and Germany.

Could be a complicated setup unless they can modify release calcs software to integrate directly into hud.

It seems to me that would not be needed since these are GPS guided, it would seem they could determine a coordinate that they would fly to and release the ordinance.

I am sure the Ukrainians will figure it out. No one expected them to be able to modify the HARM anti radiation missiles to fit their MIGS, but they did.

You're pretty naive if you think Ukraine doesn't have fighter jets and helicopters involved in active combat.

The Stooges on here swallow a steady diet of propaganda so it would not surprise me if actually thought that.

[sabang]

Boris Johnson pulled back from a previous maximalist stance signaling that perhaps what’s said in private will become more public.

DECEMBER 16, 2022
Written by
Ben Armbruster



Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a video conference on Monday urged the leaders of the G7 countries — Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States — to back his proposal for a “special summit” aimed at implementing his 10-point plan for peace.
“I suggest that you, like other conscientious states, show your leadership — in the implementation of the peace formula as a whole or its specific points,” Zelensky said.

While the G7 leaders made no specific commitments on Zelensky’s proposal, his idea that it be based on his 10-point plan is notable considering that one of its specific points reiterates Zelensky’s stance that the war will end only when Russia withdraws its forces from all of Ukraine, perhaps including Crimea, a region the plan refers to as “temporarily occupied.”

While Ukraine’s backers in the West often defer to Zelensky and Ukrainian officials on what the war’s ultimate outcomes might be, it appears that some slight cracks are beginning to emerge.

For example, former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been one of Zelensky’s biggest supporters (and vice versa), but on Friday it appears that Johnson quietly amended his Zelensky-aligned vision for the Ukraine war’s end game.

In a Wall Street Journal op-ed calling for more military and economic support for Ukraine, Johnson said the only way the war can end is “with Vladimir Putin’s defeat.” That means, he wrote, that “Russian forces must be pushed back to the de facto boundary of Feb. 24. There is no way Volodymyr Zelensky or the Ukrainian people could conceivably accept another outcome… .”

Before the February 24, 2022 Russian invasion, Ukraine’s “de facto boundary” not only did not include Crimea, but it also did not include parts of the Donbas region in the east on Ukraine’s border with Russia.

But this is a clear shift in Johnson’s thinking. Just last month, also in a Journal op-ed, the former prime minister — who reportedly worked to scuttle a deal back in April similar to the one he proposed on Friday — called the idea of Putin keeping parts of the Donbas “repugnant.”

The Guardian’s Patrick Wintour wrote this week that Johnson’s op-ed last Friday was “little noticed” and “startling,” noting that Henry Kissinger “made a similar proposal, arguing Russia should only be required to disgorge territory gained since February this year. Land occupied nearly a decade ago, including Crimea, ‘could be the subject of a negotiation after a ceasefire.’”

Wintour adds that “Johnson was making an admission made in private by many diplomats that a militarily enforced return of the Crimean peninsula — which was annexed by Russia in 2014 in a move rejected by the UN — to full Ukrainian control is fraught with risk.”

Meanwhile, a new poll this week conducted by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs and the Moscow-based Levada Center found that 53 percent of Russians favor starting negotiations with Ukraine to end the war. That number jumps to 62 percent when respondents were provided with costs Russia has endured.

Regarding specific outcomes of any future talks, the survey found that 78 percent of Russians said that returning Crimea to Ukraine would be unacceptable and 66 percent said the same for the eastern Donbas region.

The Washington Post called the Levada Center “one of Russia’s most widely respected independent polling companies” and that “the survey’s authors said earlier this year they found no evidence that respondents were unwilling to share their true feelings with interviewers.”

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/20...game-shifting/

[sabang]

A brief excerpt, but Link provided:-

Lizan believes it is theoretically possible to revive production in Zaporozhye, but not under the current government. “Now Ukraine can only beg for equipment from the West. But it does not seem to be taking into account the voltage classes of the transformers. Throughout the post-Soviet space, there are transformers for 750 kV and 330 kV lines, while in Europe these are 400 kV and 220 kV. So it simply won’t work to install, for example, Siemens equipment.”

Lizan emphasizes that Zelensky can solve the problem only through negotiations with Russia.

Only Russia can restore the energy system of Ukraine - New Cold War: Know Better

[39TG]

I think Johnson is an untrustworthy light weight. I want the Ukrainians to be provided with the resources they need to get all their land back. The Russians and Chinese need to be taught that invading other countries isn't going to be tolerated.

And if Putin won't step aside, sanctions should continue to be used to smash the Russian economy.

[Neverna]

One Bomb, One Kill: With GPS-Guided Munitions, Ukraine’s Pilots Could Hit The Russians Almost 100-Percent Of The Time

Another game changer?

[helge]

sanctions should continue to be used to smash the Russian economy.

And not to forget...my economy

And my neighbor's

And..

[sabang]

I think Johnson is an untrustworthy light weight

So do I- albeit not for this reason. He's now being pragmatic- something we are seeing a lot more of in the press recently, and I predict will only expand. Folk like yourself will probably need a bit of "perception management" when a workable deal is being negotiated, and the squeals of outrage start coming. Blame MSM! Of course his recent change of tack is particularly noteworthy because Bojo was the emissary sent to scupper what looked to be a workable peace deal in the early stages of the war, brokered by Turkey.


This might be significant- battlefield comms are critical these days:-

Russia’s Sestroretsk Arms Plant is developing a mobile system that can detect and locate Starlink internet terminals, the Reverse Side of the Medal channel on Telegram revealed on December 13.The new system, dubbed “Borshchevik,” can reportedly detect Starlink terminals with a range of 10 kilometers and located them with an accuracy down to 60 meters only. The system can be mounted on several types of vehicles, which makes it suitable for operations near hot frontlines.

The system will soon be tested in real combat conditions on the frontline in the Russian special military operation zone in Ukraine

FULL- https://southfront.org/russia-is-developing-mobile-system-that-can-detect-locate-starlink-internet-terminals/

[helge]

This might be significant- battlefield comms are critical these days:-

Hmm

Why is something like that made public ?

[bsnub]

And not to forget...my economy

And my neighbor's

And..

We get it, those Ukrainians should just lay down their weapons and allow your beloved Russians to subjugate their country because of your poor local economy. How dare those Ukrainians fuck with your ability to buy champagne and cheese cheaply.

The shit you useful idiots spew is just amazing.

[helge]

How dare those Ukrainians fuck with your ability to buy champagne and cheese cheaply.

We get it

I doubt it

[bsnub]

I doubt it

You are a sad little cretin having a whinge about how the war is inconveniencing you. Beyond pathetic.

[sabang]

While your country is raking it in on energy and arms sales, and using the Ukrainian (both russophone and Galician) people as cannon fodder in a war they cannot win- doubly pathetic. Also committing an act of international terrorism to vandalise Europe's energy security. Limbo lower now.

[bsnub]

While your country is raking it in on energy and arms sales, and using the Ukrainian (both russophone and Galician) people as cannon fodder in a war they cannot win- doubly pathetic.

You are an epic level buffoon and just when you think the bar can not be lowered any further you come out with one of the most laughable steaming turds ever. Congratulations. Most of what the US is sending to Ukraine is being paid for by the US taxpayer. Secondly, Russia started this war, they are 100% to blame for this conflict. It is nothing more than the conquest of a madman hellbent on trying to resuscitate the old USSR. Make no mistake, Ukraine is winning this war, Russia has been losing ground since September, and it will continue to lose more in the coming months. You have a lot more humiliation coming, and I plan to be here to make sure you are reminded of that every step of the way.

Also committing an act of international terrorism to vandalise Europe's energy security.

You are a disgusting lowlife. Russia is committing acts of genocide and terrorism every day in Ukraine, and your attempt to push feeble conspiracy theories just further cements the fact that you are nothing more than a useful idiot of Putin.

[sabang]

the conquest of a madman hellbent on trying to resuscitate the old USSR

I'm afraid that tired old canard has been dropped, in everything but the gutter press. Anyway, I don't negotiate with Terrorists and their enablers.



HOW THE WEST’S MEDIA SLIP IN SOME LIES EVEN WHEN THEY START TO ALLOW SOME TRUTHS


Bloomberg News headlined on December 12th, “Can Europe’s Energy Bridge to Russia Ever Be Rebuilt?” and the hired columnist said “I’m with the ‘yes’ crowd — even if Vladimir Putin stays in the Kremlin.” He said that this will be necessary for Europe because “if it’s going to keep its chemical, food and heavy industries competitive, it will need some cheap gas. And there isn’t cheaper gas for Europe than Russia’s.”

Well, that’s true. But in order to keep up the U.S.-and-allied billionaires’ propaganda-line that ultimately regime-change in Moscow (turning it into yet another U.S. ‘ally’ or vassal-nation) is a necessary objective (for those billionaires’ international armaments and extraction firms such as Lockheed Martin and ExxonMobil), it had to affirm that regime-change in Moscow is needed: the U.S.-and-allied lie that Russia invaded Ukraine not as a necessary defensive measure against U.S. missiles becoming able to be placed on Ukraine’s Russian border only 317 miles away from Moscow but instead to expand Russia’s ’empire’ to include a neighboring nation, the lie that Russia invaded Ukraine for aggressive reasons had to be affirmed: “Everything changed in February. Putin turned gas into a weapon, cutting exports to one European country after another, hoping to fracture the bloc’s pro-Ukraine unity.” That pretends the reason why energy prices in Europe soared sky-high after the invasion isn’t the U.S.-and-allied sanctions that cut off Russia’s exports into the EU but instead the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

U.S.-and-allied ‘news’ is so riddled with such obligatory billionaires’ lies, reading or hearing it is virtually inviting oneself to be suckered by their lies. Of course, there is a reason to invite that if the reader or hearer is determined to believe that one’s own nation’s Government and ‘news’-media are not some elaborate scam-operation to deceive the nation’s public to believe that more weapons-sales by firms such as Lockheed Martin and more international extractions such as by firms such as ExxonMobil are God-ordained instead of devil-designed; but, if one is at all realistic, one will recognize that that is the exact opposite of the reality. Regime-change in Moscow is so passionately desired by the billionaires who own the U.S. Congress and President, and ‘news’-media, but the people in Russia know the truth, which is that Western ‘news’-media are packed with such billionaires’ hired lies.

Regime-change in Washington is vastly more needed than is regime-change in Moscow. And that’s the truth. But the billionaires’ ‘news’-media WON’T report it.
Just think of the contempt for the public and especially for these ‘news’-media’s own audience, that those hired propagandists and their hirers must feel, in order for them to pretend that the sky-high energy-bills that European consumers and businesses now are paying, result from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, instead of from the U.S.-and-allied sanctions against Russian exports: anyone with an IQ above 50 knows that Russia didn’t WANT those penalties to be imposed against purchases in Europe of what till then had been Europe’s least expensive energy (energy that’s pipelined-in from Russia and sold in Russia’s largest energy-market, Europe). But the penalties WERE imposed, and the two Nord Stream Russian pipelines of energy from Russia WERE blown-up, destroyed, thus accentuating what the purpose of those sanctions is, which is to cut-off those supplies. That’s how much contempt they have, for their own subscribers.

https://southfront.org/how-the-wests-media-slip-in-some-lies-even-when-they-start-to-allow-some-truths/


How much will the generous US taxpayer contribute towards the repair of the Nordstream pipelines, I wonder.

[bsnub]

So now you resort to posting propaganda from southfront.org which is a mouthpiece of the Kremlin. Utterly laughable.

[NamPikToot]

You are a disgusting lowlife. R

nice, picking up where you left off before you passed out last night

[bsnub]

nice, picking up where you left off before you passed out last night

So you do not think that a person who cheerleads Russia as they bomb, torture and kill civilians is a disgusting lowlife?