Ukraine war mega thread

[harrybarracuda]

I think the thread would have meaningful discussion and debate if snubski was thrown in the TD jail..

It boggles the mind as to why a clueless septic is posting about Ukraine non stop on a Thai forum.

He has no connection to Ukraine nor Thailand, has never been to either and has no intention of visiting.


Weird if you ask me.

Since all you ever do is poke your nose in with asinine comments, I think it's you that should be chucked in the shitter.

[harrybarracuda]

agreed but only one member is using fairly nasty language and getting upset and that would be your countryman

Oh do fuck off with your nonsense.

[harrybarracuda]

I haven't fully trusted his reporting on Ukraine either. Not since the supposed Russian airfield attack with photo from the attack on Crimea. Possibly just a mistake but needs second source for confirmation every time, something snubby fails to state...just follows blindly.

And you have no comment on all the utterly worthless propaganda dumped here en masse by the witless wanketeer?

[harrybarracuda]

Well we know why Puffy the war criminal doesn't want the US giving Patriots to Ukraine.

Russia launched a fresh missile attack on Ukraine on Friday, hitting critical infrastructure in several cities accross the country.
In the capital Kyiv, authorities reported loud explosions in several parts of the city and urged residents to take shelter.
"The attack on the capital continues,'' Mayor Vitali Klitschko wrote on Telegram. He later added the metro in the city has suspended services and stations should be used as shelters.
Water supplies were also disrupted Klitschko said. "Due to damage to energy infrastruture, there are interruptions to the water supplies in all areas of the capital."
Russia was "massively attacking" Ukraine," Oleksiy Kuleba, governor of the Kyiv region said.
In the central city of Kryvyi Rih two people were killed and at least five wounded in the attack.
"A Russian missile hit a residential building in Kryvyi Rih. The stairwell was destroyed. Two people were killed. At least five were wounded, including two children. All are in hospital," Governor Valentyn Reznichenko wrote on Telegram.
There was no immediate word of more casualties elsewhere.

Ukraine updates: Russia launches '''massive''' missile attack – DW – 12/16/2022

[NamPikToot]

Oh here's Hazza's lose bowl moment

[Iceman123]

Harry, hates Chinese, Russians, Catholics et al. Sets up a web crawler to be informed of dead people.

Sounds fairly normal to me!

[helge]

He speaks the truth. Funny that the one time that the US government agrees with your narrative you jump on the bus.

I'd agree with you, that taking the US government's word for anything, sounds naive.

Funny that the one time that the US government agrees with your narrative you jump on the bus.

And funny that the one time you disagree with them, you jump off.

Otherwise; keep up the ...debate guys. Most entertaining

[harrybarracuda]

Oh here's Hazza's lose bowl moment

Here's the idiot trying to type pissed.

[harrybarracuda]

Harry, hates Chinese, Russians, Catholics et al. Sets up a web crawler to be informed of dead people.

Sounds fairly normal to me!

Who's Al?

And who "sets up a web crawler" you fucking Luddite.

[sabang]

If that is not a run on sentence

Most earnest Hemingway, junior recruit. I suppose that was way over your head.

[sabang]

Maybe one for your Christmas stocking:-





[Read an excerpt from How the West Brought War to Ukraine]


It can be rather effectively argued that the greatest export commodity of the USA is war, commonly known as the Military Industrial Complex, which has spent the bloody decades after WWII bringing “democracy” to the benighted of the world—by bombs and sanctions, if necessary.

The latest such grand crusade is the war in Ukraine, which we have all been told to think of as “us” defending a fragile “democracy,” invaded out of the blue by the latest manifestation of Attila the Hun. Here was Ukraine happily minding its own business, until one day Putin woke up and decided that he needed to be a world-conqueror and off he went to “invade” Ukraine. The simplistic narrative of the “innocent” and the “criminal” has deep appeal in the Western psyche, conditioned no doubt by Hollywood. Thus, all the media had to do was point out the “criminal,” and the rest took care of itself. Out came all the virtue-signaling that the West is now so good at mustering. Now, there is not a shred of doubt in the minds of the majority in the West that this is a war between the “good guys” and the “Great Villain,” with the likes of Biden, Justin Trudeau, Britain and all the other cheerleaders for “democracy” constantly handing David’s loaded sling-shot to Ukraine to get the job done—but which the likes of Zelensky keep dropping. This is what fighting villainy to the last Ukrainian actually looks like.


But there is a far worse invasion that was completed a long time ago—that of the Western mind, addled by what is euphemistically known as “the mainstream media,” which knows that spin is the most effective form of victory in any war.

This is why Benjamin Abelow’s book, How the West brought War to Ukraine is a must-read, for it shows that this war is not about Ukraine, but about Russia, which needs to be brought to heel and become “democratic”: “…the vaunted goal of ‘regime change,’ which in the United States is sought by an informal alliance of Republican neoconservatives and Democratic liberal interventionists” (p. 5).

Abelow is careful in his analysis and gives a thorough and balanced account of what led Russia to undertake an attack on Ukraine on February 24, 2022. Despite mainstream narratives, the attack was carefully provoked (orchestrated comes to mind). So, unlike “settled history,” which would have us believe that Ukraine is the “innocent bystander” in all this, Abelow undertakes a meticulous unpacking of the various provocations (Ukrainian and Western), which began in 1990 and finally came to a head on February 24, 2022. Wars don’t just happen; they are the result of a long series of failures and outrages. In the words of Professor Richard Sakwa: “In the end, NATO’s existence became justified by the need to manage the security threats provoked by its enlargement. The former Warsaw Pact and Baltic states joined NATO to enhance their security, but the very act of doing so created a security dilemma for Russia that undermined the security of all” (p. 51).

Given that Russia is a nation-state, it must look after its geopolitical interests and defend what is crucial to what it deems necessary to continue, as Jacques Baud has so often pointed out in this magazine. Not to recognize these interests is to be blind to reality: “The underlying cause of the war lies not in an unbridled expansionism of Mr. Putin, or in paranoid delusions of military planners in the Kremlin, but in a 30-year history of Western provocations, directed at Russia, that began during the dissolution of the Soviet Union and continued to the start of the war. These provocations placed Russia in an untenable situation, for which war seemed, to Mr. Putin and his military staff, the only workable solution” (p. 7).

These provocations are now well-known, and thus rigorously ignored, denied or glossed over as “Russian propaganda.” These include bringing arms as close to the Russian border as possible; the expansion of NATO, despite promises given to Russia that that would never happen; the withdrawal of the US from the Antiballistic Missile Treaty and the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (which now gives the US first-strike capability); the ousting of a democratically elected Ukrainian government and installing neo-Nazis into power in 2014; NATO military exercises along the Russian border; pushing Ukraine to join NATO, despite warnings from Russia that that would mean war; since 2014, training and arming the Ukrainian military, in which many of the units are openly neo-Nazi; actively nurturing Russophobia in Ukraine; encouraging the bloody war in the Eastern portions of Ukraine, which were seen as “pro-Russian” and therefore hostile. There are many others that can be listed.

Of course, the last provocation was telling Zelensky not to negotiate when Russia attacked on February 24. He was ready to do so, and a war would have easily have been avoided, and many helpless lives saved. But Boris Johnson flew out, met the Ukrainian president, and negotiation was off the table.

And this is the most baffling thing—the West does not want peace at all. It wants a war of total annihilation for Russia, which will never happen, of course, but which the West so far seems not to understand (perhaps because it is now governed by leaders who have little understanding of warcraft). No Western politician bravely calls for negotiations, for a ceasefire, for peace, for even a little breather. It’s war and more war, and the billions and arms keep pouring in: “To my knowledge, Zelensky never received any substantial American support to pursue his peace agenda. Instead, he was subjected to repeated visits by leading American politicians and State Department officials, all of whom spouted a theoretical principle of absolute Ukrainian freedom, defined as the “right” to join NATO and to establish a U.S. military outpost on Russia’s border. In the end, this “freedom” was worse than a pipe dream. Although it advanced the aims of the United States—or, more accurately, the interests of certain American political, military, and financial factions—it destroyed Ukraine” (p. 60).

The military historian Bernard Wicht, whose interview appears elsewhere in this magazine, very astutely observes that the West no longer has the ability to wage conventional war—not even the United States; this is why armed conflict in the 21st century is now “farmed” out to modern-day condottieri, who bring their private armies wherever their paymasters tell them to go. Is this is why billions are being sent to Ukraine, to pay for all the mercenaries? The war machine chugs along, indeed.

The strength of Abelow’s book is that it makes complexity accessible. Wars have so many moving parts, and Abelow with a deft hand guides the reader along. As is true of all good writers, this book is filled with clarity and insight, with an eye for the bigger picture, and all the while letting facts lead where they will. This is a rare talent nowadays.

Given the much-mentioned threat of nuclear war, the book ends with a prescient warning: “Policy makers in Washington and the European capitals—along with the captured, craven media that uncritically amplify their nonsense—are now standing up to their hips in a barrel of viscous mud. How those who were foolish enough to step into that barrel will find the wisdom to extricate themselves before they tip the barrel and take the rest of us down with them is hard to imagine” (p. 62).

Finally, as professor Sakwa pointed out, this entire tragedy would have been easily avoided if Zelensky had been encouraged to say just five little words: “Ukraine will not join NATO.” Why he could not say that lays the entire blood-guilt upon the collective leadership of the West.

How the West brought War to Ukraine is satisfying to read because it brings truth to light—and that is the highest calling any worthy writer can pursue. Rush out and buy it; and after you’ve read it, you will be both amazed and infuriated. The condottieri now run the show—but perhaps we the decent folk of this world will learn once again how to get rid of them. Perhaps this will be this war’s silver lining.

https://www.thepostil.com/how-the-we...aine-a-review/

[pickel]

Finally, as professor Sakwa pointed out, this entire tragedy would have been easily avoided if Zelensky had been encouraged to say just five little words: “Ukraine will not join NATO.” Why he could not say that lays the entire blood-guilt upon the collective leadership of the West.

Ukraine was denied entry on their last attempt to join NATO, and in early March Zelensky said:

“It is clear that Ukraine is not a member of Nato; we understand this,” the Ukrainian president said. “For years we heard about the apparently open door, but have already also heard that we will not enter there, and these are truths and must be acknowledged.”

Yet Putin still invaded and didn't leave.

The West isn't moving closer to Russia, Eastern Europe is moving closer to the West. And with good reason. No matter what Uncle Noam says.

[sabang]

Actually in March the war (or this phase of it) was already on- it commenced late February. It looked like a peace was achievable, until the USA sent an emissary called Bojo to kibosh peace talks and extend the war. Bad mistake imo.

[pickel]

Actually in March the war (or this phase of it) was already on- it commenced late February.

I'm aware of that, which is why I said "didn't leave". Are you disagreeing that Ukraine was denied entry to NATO on their last attempt? Are you disagreeing that Eastern Europe is moving closer to the West?

[sabang]

I would say that much of eastern Europe has moved west, although that doesn't include Belarus, Serbia, Moldova and eastern/ southern 'Ukraine'- and Hungary is questionable. When this war is over, and the strongly pro-Russian parts of the former Ukrainian federation have been ceded back to Russian control, I would think Ukraine will move even closer to the west- although I personally doubt that will include joining Nato.

[bsnub]

I haven't fully trusted his reporting on Ukraine either. Not since the supposed Russian airfield attack with photo from the attack on Crimea. Possibly just a mistake but needs second source for confirmation every time, something snubby fails to state...just follows blindly.

I also admitted that I was mistaken on that. This is a dynamic war and when events are breaking no one can be 100% all the time. The press makes errors as well. If I post something that proves to be inaccurate, I own up to it. The fact is that it does not happen often.

Sabang on the other hand is a different story. Almost everything he says is wrong, propaganda, distortions and falsehoods. Nothing he posts can be trusted. He is here to disrupt and discredit the flow of honest information about this war. He does not want people to know what is really going on in this conflict.

Since all you ever do is poke your nose in with asinine comments, I think it's you that should be chucked in the shitter.

The butthurt is strong with him. He spends a lot of time on Sabangs jock cheerleading for the losing team. He has never made one decent contribution to this thread. These two clowns are going to once again be made fools of as soon as the ground freezes over.

And you have no comment on all the utterly worthless propaganda dumped here en masse by the witless wanketeer?

It is a bit odd, isn't it? It is not he first time he has attacked me, either. Yet he has never said one thing about the stooge propagandists.

[bsnub]

It looked like a peace was achievable, until the USA sent an emissary called Bojo to kibosh peace talks and extend the war. Bad mistake imo.

What a complete clown. It is beyond laughable that a moron who bleated on for months that this war would never happen would naively cling to such utter nonsense. Give it a rest you repetitive clown, you have been repeating the same shit ad nauseam for months.

But you are here to flood this thread with bullshit that has nothing to do with the current state of the war. Anything to derail this thread and avoid discussion about what is currently going on the ground.

[Troy]

And you have no comment on all the utterly worthless propaganda dumped here en masse by the witless wanketeer?

I rarely read their posts so rarely have any comment to make on them. Did I really need to spell that out for you?

[sabang]

Nothing he posts can be trusted.

Oh so when I quote what Generals Wesley Clark and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley said, that can't be trusted? Stop being such a lying, sulky little baby- you've been having your ass whooped recently on this forum, so maybe even learn from it. You're the one that has been caught lying, not me- and then you just double down and make it worse. Grow up junior recruit.

[bsnub]

You're the one that has been caught lying, not me

You are the biggest lying fraud on TD.

[bsnub]

Retired U.S. Lieutenant General Ben Hodges predicted on Monday that Ukraine's army will be able to seize control of the occupied Crimea peninsula by August 2023 as the war-torn country continues to counter Russia's ongoing invasion.Serhiy Haidai, governor of the Russian-occupied Luhansk region, said Sunday that Ukrainian forces attacked a purported hotel base for members of Russia's mercenary Wagner Group and killed many of its members.

In light of the report, which Newsweek was not able to independently verify, Hodges wrote on Twitter that Ukraine will "continue to pound" Russian headquarters and lines of communication over the next few weeks through February. This is so that Ukraine can set the conditions for freeing Crimea from Russian control, which Hodges described as the "decisive phase of the campaign."

"I expect them to liberate Crimea by August," tweeted Hodges, who is also the former commanding general of U.S. Army Europe.

Russia illegally annexed Crimea in 2014, though Western countries have continued to assert that the peninsula is part of Ukraine. The same goes for the several regions of Ukraine—Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson—that Russian President Vladimir Putin annexed in late September. Foreign governments such as the United States have called this purported annexation illegal and illegitimate, refusing to recognize those Ukrainian regions as part of Russia.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has vowed that his country will free Crimea and all other Russian-occupied territory.

"This Russian war against Ukraine and against the entire free Europe began with Crimea and must end with Crimea - with its liberation," Zelensky said in an August 9 address. "Today it is impossible to say when this will happen. But we are constantly adding the necessary components to the formula of liberation of Crimea."

Explosions were reported last week in Crimea, after which the governor of Sevastopol, the peninsula's largest city, said that Russian forces shot down a drone over the Black Sea.

This is only one instance of reported explosions on the peninsula in recent months amid the war in Ukraine. A series of explosions rocked a Russian airbase in Crimea in August, and several days later, another series of blasts hit an ammunition depot in Crimea and caused it to catch fire.

Additionally, an explosion in October damaged the Kerch Strait Bridge that connects Russia to the Crimean peninsula and acts a key supply route for Putin's troops. Moscow blamed Ukraine for the blast, though Ukraine has not formally taken responsibility.

Newsweek reached out to Russia's Defense Ministry for comment.

https://www.newsweek.com/retired-lt-...crimea-1766437

[sabang]

Diddums little girl.

^ you posted that before wee snubski. Got anything better than shelved low echelon Generals for hire?

[bsnub]

Diddums little girl.

You really are triggered, aren't you. Getting slapped around pretty good so far today.

[sabang]

Heh, how you can even show your (anonymous) face on this Forum after the last two days drubbing shows you have absolutely no shame, zero credibility and no personal integrity. As all readers of this thread have seen, boohoo. I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such a brat.

[harrybarracuda]

Maybe one for your Christmas stocking:-

Is that the sequel to his epic "I hate America, America is bad, I love everyone who hates America".