Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

Actually the Author is Pepe Escobar mein Fuhrer.

[Reggie]

Unease as an Opposition Party Stands Out in Ukraine’s Protests - The New York Times

Ahh the heady days when the US invested $5b in bringing about regime change in Ukraine knowing full well they were handing the country to a hot bed of Neo Nazis and fascists. What a great idea. Not the first time the US has backed and funded Nazis though, is it, buddy?

[bsnub]

Actually the Author is Pepe Escobar mein Fuhrer.

It is posted to the Unz blog you moron.

[Reggie]

It is posted to the Unz blog you moron.

Were you dropped on your head as a child? If you were published in TransLiving Magazine would this make you a woman?

[sabang]

And was in turn copied and pasted to this thread by my own self sherlock.

[bsnub]

And was in turn copied and pasted to this thread by my own self sherlock.

Clearly you are drunk because you do not seem to realize that you are getting your ass handed to you in this thread.

[sabang]

ANDREW ANGLIN • MARCH 24, 2022


Unfortunately, the sanctions the US put on Russia do not appear to be harming Russia at all, even as they are furthering the destruction of the economy of the West, and setting the stage for a collapse of the dollar as reserve currency.
Russia has just announced that if Europe wants its oil, they’re going to have to pay in rubles. This will heavily reenforce the ruble, of course. Presumably, it will make up for most or all of the damage that the sanctions have caused.

RT:

Russia will now accept payment for gas exports to “unfriendly countries” in rubles only, President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting with the government on Wednesday.
The president explained that Russia plans to abandon all “compromised” currencies in payment settlements. He added that illegitimate decisions by a number of Western countries to freeze Russia’s assets destroyed all confidence in their currencies.
“I have decided to implement in the shortest possible time a set of measures to change the payments for – yes let’s start with this – for our natural gas supplied to the so-called unfriendly countries in Russian rubles, that is to stop using all compromised currencies for transactions,” the Russian president said.
“It doesn’t make sense to deliver our goods to the EU and the US and get paid in dollars and euros,” he added.

For those who don’t know the details: it is impossible for Europe to shut off Russian gas any time soon. They will literally freeze to death, or have to figure out some kind of wooden steam system.
People were saying Russian might just shut off the gas and let Europe deal with the situation, but this is much better.
The ruble bottomed out on March 7, and has been largely recovering. It’s only down 13% over the month of war.





If you consider that Russia is currently under the most severe economic sanctions in history by the most powerful economic entity in history – it’s not looking too bad.
That 13% isn’t going to affect anyone’s life in Russia, it only affects international trade. Not a big deal. No one in Russia is suffering from this, unless you consider being denied PornHub, Netflix, and McDonald’s as “suffering.”
This ultimatum to Europe will give it its 13% back.
Meanwhile, the Russian stock market, which was closed on the day of the incursion into the Ukraine, was reopened and is doing fine.

RT:

Russia’s stocks continued to rise sharply on Thursday as the Moscow Exchange reopened for limited trading this week, after suspending most of its transactions on February 28.
The ruble-based MOEX benchmark went up more than 11% to 2,743 points. The dollar-denominated RTS index of leading Russian stocks was down slightly, to 888.59 points.
The Moscow Exchange resumed trading in 33 Russian equities, including shares of Gazprom, Sberbank, Aeroflot, and other domestic firms. Oil majors Rosneft and Lukoil were both up by 20% and 16%, respectively. Aluminum company Rusal rose more than 14%, while Norilsk Nickel jumped more than 22%.


This is all happening very quickly.
It’s hard to keep up with.
But the US has effectively committed a very public suicide in the name of a bizarre moral signaling campaign about how they are very good people and so oppose the very bad Russians.


It now looks to me as though this thing was planned over a very long period of time. Since the Maidan, Russia, presumably working with China, has set a trap for the United States in the Ukraine. They knew that after the revolution, the West wouldn’t be able to help itself, and would move NATO forces into the country, and NATOize the country, and so they planned the response – and understood the US response.
There had to be an invasion, because they had to get the US to act in this deranged way, which is the result of both unfathomable hubris and the general degrading of the culture into a state of nonstop moral panic.

The US has already lost.

Putin has demonstrated hypersonic missiles in the Ukraine. These cannot be shot down by any of NATO’s missile defense systems, meaning if NATO tries to attack Russia conventionally, Russia can strike targets across Western Europe. Moreover, there is just no way to invade Russia.
The only remaining options are to back off or start a nuclear war.
It is looking like they will do some kind of chemical attack false flag hoax in the Ukraine, but I don’t even understand what purpose that serves. The only people who will believe that are the “international Community,” which America is already dragging down to hell with them.




There are other theories. Alex Jones and others are saying that Western intelligence is planning to assassinate Joe Biden and blame Russia. That seems a bit outlandish, but I guess you never know. Still, I don’t really see what purpose that would serve. Russia can just say they didn’t do it. Then what changes?

The wheel is already turning.

The jig is up.

How Are Those Sanctions Working Out, Guys?, by Andrew Anglin - The Unz Review


Salacious stuff. Not everyone is buying the Biden schmaltz.

[bsnub]

Unfortunately, the sanctions the US put on Russia do not appear to be harming Russia at all

Its economy has retracted by half, you utter imbecile.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

[sabang]

Strictly from the Russian Pov of course, but pricing it's gas exports in rubles was a masterstroke. From the Euro Pov an inconvenience, and from the US Pov an utter humiliation.

[nidhogg]

Strictly from the Russian Pov of course, but pricing it's gas exports in rubles was a masterstroke. From the Euro Pov an inconvenience, and from the US Pov an utter humiliation.

I admit to having no expertise in this area. I would have thought the major risk is that they end up getting paid effectively in toilet paper. The value of the ruble probaly relies on more than just energy.

But like i said, what do i know.

[Reggie]

I admit to having no expertise in this area. I would have thought the major risk is that they end up getting paid effectively in toilet paper. The value of the ruble probaly relies on more than just energy.

But like i said, what do i know.

Without being linked to global oil and gas sales, the US dollar will make the 2008 Zimbabwe Dollar look stable. $21 trillion in debt and shortly this year the Net interest will start accelerating. The fact that not one of the big mouths on here have bothered to read these documents demonstrates how little then know. Psycho Putin played a master stroke and dumb biden fell straight into it.

https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/file...22-(final).pdf
Page 9



What you see there is the complete transfer of all real wealth left in the USA to the mob bosses who run the show. All under the guise of a pandemic and a war against dem nasty commies.

[Switch]

Meanwhile, in the real world ……….

OhOh you are such a fool.

[nidhogg]

^^I honestly do not know. Russia produces a tad over 10% of the worlds oil (?). Not sure that is enough to swing anything.

Seem to recall Venesuala tried similar a while back, and that came to nowt.

But like i said, not that i know anything in this area.

[OhOh]

OhOh you are such a fool.

Some others have the same opinion, so you are not alone.



However, I will continue to stick to my "guns".

Seem to recall Venesuala tried similar a while back, and that came to nowt.

Try and consider the abilities of your comparative country, Venezuela with regards to Russia.

Other than both were/are oil producing countries they are worlds apart in most other abilities, resources, financial, military, diplomacy, and most importantly, rock solid partners.

Chickens and Bears currently but investments from the "non international community", as illustrated by the large pale blue space in sabang's image, which due to the omission of the Pacific Ocean amplifies the "western democracies" lack of importance even more:

Another perspective of relative zones of alliance.

NATO, OZ, NZ and Japan in yellow.

The world are the remaining countries.

will eventually bring Venezuela and the rest of the South American countries out of it's "imposed Monroe Doctrine" slumber. To join the in motion today, Asian/African/ME growing family.

No more Mexican border issues for NaGastan, more jobs for the NaGastan citizens. If they are able to adapt peacefully.

No more Africans trudging northward to Europe. Why, because jobs are being developed now locally. Higher up the food chain, instead of being exploited by others.

Again:

[OhOh]

Oh dear bsnub and friends won't like this opinion piece.

One month into the Russian special operation in the Ukraine


30029 Views March 25, 2022

Andrei

The Beast woke up in pitch darkness
And the price was named to God.
Everybody has caved in – even our brothers in Christ,
Everything has caved in – but not my country.

(translated lyrics from the song “Donbass is with us”)

1. The source: One month into the Russian special operation in the Ukraine | The Vineyard of the Saker2. The content, controversial, praising and cursing Russian special operations tactics and illustrating NaGastan and vassals lack, barring nuclear weapons usage, of any solutions. Digging holes for themselves to hide in, appears to be the current, "menu du jour".

3. Over 5’700 Words, maps, tactics good and bad, praise, disgust .....

Ignore, read, consider and possibly comment on.

Enjoy.

[sabang]

Boneheads got no memory- I've been asking for some time 'why is Russia's largest military column near Kiev?' and 'why would they want to take Kiev?'- especially with Mariupol & Kharkov not yet taken. I suppose the massive flow of fleeing refugees thus entailed may offer one clue (including several foreign Embassies), and putting pressure on the UKR gov't another. A massive disruptor. The destruction of several military facilities around Kiev & west yet another. But hey, hands up- I still don't really get it.

Certainly glad though that central Kiev remains basically untouched, and it is now confirmed Russia does not plan to storm it. Why aren't you guys? Did you want Putin to get bogged down and bled dry there? Looks like he flipped you the bird, again. Of course snubs babble that Russia's largest army in Ukraine is surrounded and being totally annihilated is pure kiddyland fantasy, so where will they be headed next? That's what I am interested to know- hopefully east, not south towards Odessa.

[pickel]

Certainly glad though that central Kiev remains basically untouched, and it is now confirmed Russia does not plan to storm it.

Confirmed by who? I don't trust anything from Putin. Much to your chagrin, I'm sure, is that Ukraine is on the counter offensive outside of Kyiv and doing well. I believe Russia is digging in defensive positions to hold what they have near Kyiv and will await reinforcements and resupply. I also expect Belarus to jump in soon.

Do you really believe that Russia would be honest when telling you their military strategy? It's just a ruse to draw Ukraines troops to the east. Hopefully NATO starts reinforcing the Suwalki Gap east of Kaliningrad, as I think that's where Putin is headed next. Just my opinion, of course.

[baldrick]

instead of being exploited by others.

sweet summer child - once you have experience in the world and have been fcuked over a few times by those in who you have naively placed your faith , you will realise that the dreams of utopia that you were pedaled were just soothing ditties to lull you into a sense of security while your arsehole was being lubed - and the lubricant is not for your comfort

[Joe 90]

Seems appropriate at the moment.

[Backspin]

In the southern regions of Ukraine controlled by the Russian Federation, new administrations are being created and Russian television has been launched.


In the Russian-controlled territories of Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, the formation of military-civilian administrations has begun, Russian television has been launched and Rubles are used for settlements, Deputy Prime Minister of Crimea Georgy Muradov said.

[bsnub]

In the Russian-controlled territories of Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, the formation of military-civilian administrations has begun, Russian television has been launched and Rubles are used for settlements, Deputy Prime Minister of Crimea Georgy Muradov said.

Lt Gen Yakov Rezantsev

This is the face of a now dead invader of Ukraine. Killed in Kherson by the brave Ukrainians who are kicking the shit out of Russia. Kherson will soon be back in Ukrainian hands.

Another Russian general killed’ in new blow for Vladimir Putin

Ukraine war: ‘Another Russian general killed’ in new blow for Vladimir Putin | Evening Standard

[kingwilly]

It seems that those on either side of this debate have staked out a position and will say anything to defend it. They are all frantically searching for articles that will confirm their bias. All shouting epithets at each other,
while disregarding anything that contradicts their position.
What if there is a third position? and that both sides are wrong? What if war is terrible and by definition atrocities are committed. Does anyone know of a polite war? And what if there are agent provocateurs that stand to gain by a conflict fanning the flames of war?
If what I say is true, are we going to sit here and argue who is worst? or are we going to hold all those responsible accountable and be an agent for resolution rather than escalation?
Will rational thinking prevail ?

You got to be kidding, when has it ever? why would it start now?

So Greece was wrong to resist the Italians in October 1940? And the Germans in 1941?

Ok.


got it



Arrivederci

[kingwilly]

Wrong thread, Shitty

[bsnub]

Of course snubs babble that Russia's largest army in Ukraine is surrounded and being totally annihilated is pure kiddyland fantasy, so where will they be headed next?

It has been getting picked away at for the past month. It is fragmented and completely compromised. You are days away from being confronted with a new reality.

Hopefully NATO starts reinforcing the Suwalki Gap east of Kaliningrad, as I think that's where Putin is headed next. Just my opinion, of course.

They are no longer a serious threat to NATO. The Russian army is completely hollowed out and incompetent, and this war has proven that.

[pickel]

They are no longer a serious threat to NATO

Snubbie, any country with thousands of nukes is a threat. Especially when things don't go according to plan.