Ukraine war mega thread

[panama hat]

Beautiful, men and women of honour and bravery . . . Backspit, sabang and OhWoe listen . . .

[David48atTD]

There has been a lot written about the current crisis.

This is a good Washington Post article 'fact-checking' elements of the recent Putin speech.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...peech-ukraine/


Below is an example of what it in the article ...

Putin said ...“As we know, it has already been stated today that Ukraine intends to create its own nuclear weapons, and this is not just bragging.”

This is sheer fantasy. There is no evidence that Ukraine wants to develop nuclear weapons — or that it even has the capacity to do so, given the ruined state of the economy.

There was a cache of more than 1,000 strategic nuclear weapons on Ukraine’s soil when the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991. That made Ukraine instantly the world’s third biggest nuclear power, with more weapons than Britain, France and China combined.
But the country gave up the stockpile for what seemed like a good deal at the time.

In the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, Russia, along with the United States and Britain, agreed to “refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine” in exchange for Ukraine’s joining the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Now that Russia has essentially ripped up the Budapest Memorandum, some Ukrainians have wondered whether it was a bad bargain.

“Ukraine has received security guarantees for abandoning the world’s third nuclear capability,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a speech this month at the Munich Security Conference. “We don’t have that weapon. We also have no security.”

[David48atTD]

Russia's firepower dwarfs Ukraine, but the invaders are facing tough resistance

Over recent years, Russia has arguably developed the world's best electronic warfare and cybersecurity tools, and analysts say they are surprised these capabilities have not yet been fully unleashed.


The nation also outmatches Ukraine in raw numbers.

[Norton]

Russia's firepower dwarfs Ukraine, but the invaders are facing tough resistance

As it did in Afganistan.

[sabang]

If he is planning on being there for the long term, he is a bloody idiot.

[Backspin]

Now we are talking

Ukraine is ready for negotiations with Russia on a permanent basis, said the Permanent Representative to the UN

[David48atTD]

Putin's weapon for urban war ...

[Backspin]

There has been a lot written about the current crisis.

This is a good Washington Post article 'fact-checking' elements of the recent Putin speech.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...peech-ukraine/


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Ukraine may seek nuclear weapons if left out of NATO: Diplomat | Conflict News | Al Jazeera

[sabang]

Then they would be bloody idiots too, and would get what is coming to them. But it's just a News article, a piece of clickbait- I doubt it is true.

[Backspin]

Ukraines is not in any pact with Russia, you utter fucking moron.


Every sentence you post is dumber than the last . . . even OhWow has been more quiet and sabang has stopped trying to justify Russia's murderous invasion. by not posting.

You? Keep banging on because you are literally too dumb to know when every single think you post is a lie or simply shit.

That's right. Ukraine is not in any pact with Russia. And its not supposed to be in any pact with the US either. From 1991 to 2014, Ukraine and Russia shared Crimea. Shared a naval base. There was some gas disputes and whatnot but nothing close to war.

Only after 2014 when the US decided it should take all of Ukraine for itself ie bring it into Nato, did the war start.

You are a warmongering chickenhawk. You still would rather keep the war going than not have Ukraine in Nato. I want to end the war, by putting in writing that Ukraine will get Finlandization.

[panama hat]

That's right. Ukraine is not in any pact with Russia.

Well done . . . so, it can make its own decisions

And its not supposed to be in any pact with the US either.

Well done . . . so, it can make its own decisions

You are a warmongering chickenhawk

You're a fucking idiot

[panama hat]

Brilliant . . . worth repeating for those of us with no values . . . that would be Backspit, sabang and ohwoe

[harrybarracuda]

Then they would be bloody idiots too, and would get what is coming to them. But it's just a News article, a piece of clickbait- I doubt it is true.

If any fucking moron knows about clickbait, it's you.

[Joe 90]

A country that can give out tens of thousands of machine guns to its general population will not lie down easily, knowing a few Ukrainians personally this will be true.

[pickel]

Only after 2014 when the US decided it should take all of Ukraine for itself ie bring it into Nato, did the war start.

They had a democratic election and chose their own leaders dummie.

[Backspin]

They had a democratic election and chose their own leaders dummie.

No they didn't ! Porashenko was not elected into power. He was brought to power in a coup. Then he ran as the war candidate in the next election and lost to Zelensky, who was the peace candidate. He wanted to negotiate with Russia. But once he was in power , he went straight to a no negotiation stance. Just like Obama after Bush was voted out.

[Backspin]

Brilliant . . . worth repeating for those of us with no values . . . that would be Backspit, sabang and ohwoe

Oh really ? Suicide is a high value ? I'm sure their families would have preferred if they surrendered and went home.

[pickel]

No they didn't ! Porashenko was not elected into power. He was brought to power in a coup. Then he ran as the war candidate in the next election and lost to Zelensky, who was the peace candidate. He wanted to negotiate with Russia. But once he was in power , he went straight to a no negotiation stance. Just like Obama after Bush was voted out.

Note to socal. They've had an election since then. And all the "Nazi's" voted for a Jew. And if they had another election today Zelensky would get would get 100% of the vote, just like Putin, only it would be true.

[russellsimpson]

I find myself with mixed sentiments when it comes to whether Zelensky should be encouraging his countrymen to make Molotov cocktails and to 'fight to the death'. I do not see how this will simply not be a slaughter. The Battle for Kiev is as well as over. I wonder whether it would not be better to let Putin have this battle victory and focus more on passive resistance. The battle is going to be a long one. It would be extremely expensive for Moscow to try to hold the country by force.

The idea that Ukraine's future should die in the streets in the form of their youth and the thought of thousands of young children without fathers or young women without there husbands is too much for me. Personally I think the right move for Zelensky is to advise his citizens to lay down their arms and Zelensky and government should leave Kiev.

That's my opinion. This battle is lost. The war is a long one.

[pickel]

^
My god, when did Canadians become so pussified?

Let's hope Putin doesn't invade us. Socal would be saying we deserved it, and Russell would be waving a white flag from the first shot ringing out.

[harrybarracuda]

^
My god, when did Canadians become so pussified?

They didn't, it's just that one.

[pickel]

They didn't, it's just that one.

Appears to be two, three if you include the fact that Marylin Moose would probably be on the side of the road flashing her udders to the Russians as the convoys drove by.

[harrybarracuda]

Appears to be two, three if you include the fact that Marylin Moose would probably be on the side of the road flashing her udders to the Russians as the convoys drove by.

Oh fuck off, I was just about to have breakfast.

[pickel]

Good to see Russia getting kicked in the cyber ass for a change.

On Friday evening, Anonymous claimed they managed to breach the database belonging to the Russian Ministry of Defence.

Anonymous posted the database online and made it accessible to anyone. "Hackers all around the world: target Russia in the name of #Anonymous let them know we do not forgive, we do not forget. Anonymous owns fascists, always," the group tweeted.
It seems that the database contains officials' phone numbers, emails, and passwords. Twitter users seem excited about the news and continue discussing how they could use them to harm Putin's regime.

Anonymous leaks database of the Russian Ministry of Defence | CyberNews

[thailazer]

I find myself with mixed sentiments when it comes to whether Zelensky should be encouraging his countrymen to make Molotov cocktails and to 'fight to the death'. I do not see how this will simply not be a slaughter. The Battle for Kiev is as well as over. I wonder whether it would not be better to let Putin have this battle victory and focus more on passive resistance. The battle is going to be a long one. It would be extremely expensive for Moscow to try to hold the country by force.

The idea that Ukraine's future should die in the streets in the form of their youth and the thought of thousands of young children without fathers or young women without there husbands is too much for me. Personally I think the right move for Zelensky is to advise his citizens to lay down their arms and Zelensky and government should leave Kiev.

That's my opinion. This battle is lost. The war is a long one.

If that Finns had done that in the past, Finland would not exist. I wish Ukraine godspeed in kicking Putin's clan out of the country. So far Ukraine shows a lot of sisu, and the is what it will take.