Ukraine war mega thread

[Backspin]

The president of Ukraine is Jewish you fucking shit gibbon.

Think before you post or fuck the fuck off.

That was an official release from the Russian government.

Reuters

Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem | Reuters

[Backspin]

Again, I am just posting why the Russians are saying they are doing this. Not that I agree with it. I don't. I assumed they would go up to the Dineper river only.

NBC News

[misskit]

Putin using false 'Nazi' narrative to justify Russia's attack on Ukraine, experts say



He hopes Russians will back military action by touching upon generations-old scars left from World War II.

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday peddled accusations of Nazi elements within Ukraine to justify the attack on his western neighbor, a move that experts slammed as slanderous and false.


In announcing he had launched Russian forces against key Ukrainian military and logistics posts, Putin said he's striving for "the demilitarization and denazification of" the sovereign democracy in Kyiv.


Putin has long sought to falsely paint Ukraine as a Nazi hotbed, which is a particularly jarring accusation given that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is Jewish and lost three family members in the Holocaust.


Claiming to fight the Nazis is "really code for replacing the Ukrainian government, which is especially ironic given that the Ukrainian president is Jewish," said Andrij Dobriansky of the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America, an ethnic advocacy group based in New York City.


Michael McFaul, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia, fought to contain his anger over the Nazi narrative pushed by Putin.


"He's talking about denazification. There are no Nazis in Ukraine," McFaul said Thursday on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."


"The leader of Ukraine is not a Nazi, he's a democratically elected leader," McFaul said. "He's Jewish. He is not a Nazi. I'm sorry I'm so emotional. But we've to get over the fact that we're going to deal with this guy on some realpolitik, cost-benefit analysis."

Putin hopes to touch upon generations-old scars left from World War II — when an estimated 24 million Soviet citizens died — and conflate modern Ukraine with elements of its problematic past.


During World War II, some Ukrainian nationalists fought with the Nazis, battled the Polish underground and helped the Germans round up Jewish citizens for genocide. Ukrainian collaborators were among Nazi forces that put down the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the Warsaw Uprising.


However, in today's Ukraine, the remaining pro-Nazi movement is far from an open, influential force.


While the Ukrainian National Guard is home to the Azov Battalion — a force populated by neo-Nazi sympathizers — there is no evidence to suggest widespread support for such extreme-right nationalism in the government, military or electorate.


In the most recent Ukrainian parliamentary elections in 2019, a coalition of ultranationalist right-wing parties failed to win even a single seat in the Rada, the country's 450-member legislature.


And for several years, U.S. appropriations laws have included a provision banning spending in support of the Azov Battalion.


David Harris, CEO of the American Jewish Committee, an advocacy group, said he's confident that Putin's Nazi narrative "won't work."


"First, Ukraine is led by a Jewish president, who was overwhelmingly chosen by voters in a democratic election. It reflects today's Ukrainian mindset and outlook, a far cry from the past," Harris said.


"And second, the ones behaving like Nazis are, let's be clear, Putin and his regime. Brazenly invading another country, invoking fake grievances, lying incessantly and denying another nation's right to chart its own destiny are all, yes, taken from the Nazi playbook."


The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, in a written statement Thursday, said Putin has misappropriated Holocaust history with his false claim that Ukraine needs to be “denazified.”


“The Museum stands with the Ukrainian people, including the thousands of Holocaust survivors still living in the country,” Museum chairman, Ambassador Stuart E. Eizenstat, said in the statement. “These survivors are remnants of one of Europe’s largest pre-war Jewish populations that was almost completely decimated by the Germans in World War II. Having suffered terribly as victims of both Nazism and Communism, Ukrainians today are seeking to fulfill their democratic aspirations.”


Yohanan Petrovksy-Shtern, a Ukrainian native and professor of Jewish history at Northwestern University, said Putin's claims about "denazification goes against elemental truth."


"People who believe him and who spread these lies are engaging in slander," Petrovksy-Shtern said. "Ukraine is a multiethnic country in which minorities like Georgians have key government roles and it has a Jewish president."


McFaul said any efforts to link Ukraine to long-ago Nazi movements lack any rationale.


"We've got to treat him (Putin) like an irrational, evil leader who has unjustly and grossly attacked a free and democratic Ukraine," McFaul said.

Putin claims '''denazification''' to justify Russia'''s attack on Ukraine, experts say






If I am not mistaken, Russia has their own Nazi groups they could focus on.

[kingwilly]

I am just posting what the Russians say why this is happening. When did I say that I agreed with it ?

It was Putin's words actually. But without a source (again) we can only assume it's your own words, you stupid, shit gibbon.

[misskit]

Neo-Nazis in Russia

As the Sochi Winter Olympics approach there is growing concern over the Neo-Nazi movement in Russia. Over half of the world’s Neo-Nazi members are in Russia. This movement is behind the abuse of gays and violation of gay rights. The group also opposes foreigners, Jews, Muslims, Roma, and Asians.


The group has recently become a paramilitary organization, although they claim to be a sports club. The Neo-Nazis are training members in weapons as well as hand-to-hand combat. Many of the weapons used are outlawed, and therefore bought from the black market. They are strictly anti-drug or alcohol, focusing on fitness and bodybuilding to train for their “revolution.”


There are an estimated 50,000-70,000 Neo-Nazis in Russia according to an ABC News report. The group seemed to organize around widespread unemployment and poverty in the early 1990s. Many of the members are young adults who were hit hardest by the economic downturn. The group operates under the official name of the Russian National Unity, a party founded by Alexander Barkashov in 1990. The party symbol is the swastika and some members receive military training in Moscow.


In 2007 a student associated with the Neo-Nazis was arrested for posting a video of two migrant workers being beheaded in front of a swastika flag. Recently the group has been targeting gay youth, finding them on dating sites or social media. Neo-Nazis may create fake profiles and ask to meet up with someone who identifies as homosexual only to then physically and emotionally abuse them. Many of these attacks have been posted online. The group recognizes homosexuality as ‘pedophilia” and see their acts of violence as justified under this definition. Groups have organized using the slogan “Occupy Pedofilya” as a rally cry against homosexuality.

Neo-Nazis in Russia - The Borgen Project

[Joe 90]

Had a quick look on RT yesterday and all the talk was of this "Nazi battalion " that was causing the most resistance.
Turned it off after that, utter Russian bullshit .
In fact I suspect there are more Nazis in Russian per population than anywhere else on the planet.

[misskit]

^Exactly.

[Backspin]

Per the Reuters piece and NBC piece , it is just not true that there isn't state supported Nazis in Ukraine. I made a thread about it in 2020 Ukraine is a Nazi state Its real and shocking.

Russia had a neo Nazi problem up to the early 2000's and they were liquidated. They aren't anymore.

Im not saying it justifies surrounding Kiev

[Backspin]

John Mearshimer from the university of Chicago predicted this exact event.

[misskit]

[Neverna]

Had a quick look on RT yesterday and all the talk was of this "Nazi battalion " that was causing the most resistance.
Turned it off after that, utter Russian bullshit .
In fact I suspect there are more Nazis in Russian per population than anywhere else on the planet.

They are probably referring to the Azov Battalion.

Azov Battalion - Wikipedia



And an old Guardian article about them.

Azov fighters are Ukraine's greatest weapon and may be its greatest threat | Ukraine | The Guardian

[nidhogg]

It was Putin's words actually. But without a source (again) we can only assume it's your own words, you stupid, shit gibbon.

I knew it was Putins words, but the fact that the shit gibbon posted it without comment or denunciation just further exemplifies that he is, in fact, a wittering shit gibbon who should grow the fuck up.

[kingwilly]

I knew it was Putins words, but the fact that the shit gibbon posted it without comment or denunciation just further exemplifies that he is, in fact, a wittering shit gibbon who should grow the fuck up.

Oh, I reaslied you knew. Was just pointing out to the moronic wittering shite gibbon that not only did he plagarise words again, but he didnt even know whose words he had plagarised.

[hallelujah]

[hallelujah]

Russia had a neo Nazi problem up to the early 2000's and they were liquidated. They aren't anymore.

You're a fucking idiot.

[cyrille]

This 'be provocative' thing, bs...it's just not working.

You're making an utter cock of yourself at least a dozen times a day.

[misskit]

This interesting video from a couple of weeks ago. Russia cannot afford a sustained war with Ukraine.

[Backspin]

^ more perpetual under estimating of Russia by western politicians. This misunderstanding is why they didn't think they had to negotiate with Russia over Ukraine in the first place.

This 'be provocative' thing, bs...it's just not working.

You're making an utter cock of yourself at least a dozen times a day.

Ppl are just stumbling into this topic now. I have taken a keen interest in it since 2015. How am I being provocative by reporting Russia's side of the story. There are 2 sides to every story.

[mikenot]

Noting that China has always respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries, s

Yeah, right ...go tell that to the Dalai Llama

[kingwilly]

^ more perpetual underestimating of Russia by western politicians. This misunderstanding is why they didn't think they had to negotiate with Russia over Ukraine in the first place.



ory.

Why should anyone have to negotiate over a sovereign state?

It's the equivalent of arguing that you need to negotiate with a burglar that he does not rob your house, and if you don't, it's somehow your fault when you do get robbed!

[pickel]

Ppl are just stumbling into this topic now. I have taken a keen interest in it since 2015.

When you were still a glint in the milkmans eye, most of us were living through the Cold War you utter imbecile.

[hallelujah]

Why should anyone have to negotiate over a sovereign state?

This.

Poor Ukraine. The city of Kiev existed 665 years before Moscow, but with a dictator on their doorstep desperate to rekindle the "glory" days of the Soviet Union, it looks like they'll never really be free of the Russian bastards and the misery that entails.

[recon]

Alex Salmon just left RT after the news broke out only too happy before. SNP organization, not voters, is controlled by SRV (Russian Security Services) go indy 2087

[recon]

Why should anyone have to negotiate over a sovereign state?

It's the equivalent of arguing that you need to negotiate with a burglar that he does not rob your house, and if you don't, it's somehow your fault when you do get robbed!

Smartest post I've seen here so far

[misskit]

^ more perpetual under estimating of Russia by western politicians. This misunderstanding is why they didn't think they had to negotiate with Russia over Ukraine in the first place.

You dummy. That was an Indian newscast. Last I checked, they don’t qualify as westerners. You didn’t even take a peek at what was said, did you?