Ukraine war mega thread

[Seekingasylum]

And the burning question of all is? How will the sovereign democratic state of Thailand react within the international arena to this aggression by the filthy, bandit thuggery of the former taxi driver, Putin?

Just joking. This ridiculous country and its faux democracy will of course do nothing.

Back in the real world, Russia is now openly in breach of the 1994 Budapest agreement signed by them, the US and the UK under which they undertook to uphold Ukraine's sovereignty in return for the latter giving up its nuclear arsenal.

Russians should now be excluded from the UK except for those with permanent residence or who are dependants or spouses of British citizens or of those who are lawfully resident. Landing rights to carriers from Russian sourced routes should be suspended and any flagged or operated Russian vessels should be denied entry to UK territorial waters. Russian and UK diplomatic ties should be severed and missions closed.

All state and commercially held Russian funds held in UK banks should be frozen.

The only way to treat Russian thuggery is by excluding the fuckers from the West. Let Putin suck Chinese cock, because he ain't going to get it anywhere else.

The US and UK should now begin shipping arms and munitions to Poland in quantity for transportation to the Ukraine.

Russian manoeuvres in the Channel and into UK airspace should be harassed with terminal force.

Russians only understand brute force.

The EU are reciprocating but one must have sympathy for the Germans - difficult for them to muster military might against Putin's thuggery when it was only 80 years ago they were responsible for slaughtering over 20 million Russkies.

[Seekingasylum]

He was fine with Ukraine being independent. Not fine with Ukraine being a US/Nato military base. Which is what changed in 2014.

Being a member of Nato is not tantamount to having a military base based on your sovereign territory but for all practical purposes it matters not one whit if the Ukraine did host NATO exercises given Poland a member of Nato is only 790 miles distant from the Russian border.

And in any case, an independent country has every right to choose how it should arrange its security but really only a fucking deranged tyrant would think for one second NATO would launch a land operation invading Russia from UKR territory. Putin is using it as a pretext to re-gain the empire.

Everyone knows that.

[OhOh]

create one "Ukraine Crisis" thread.

This is the war thread, the other is the diplomatic thread.

[Troy]

Everyone except skiddy and ohno

[Backspin]

And the burning question of all is? How will the sovereign democratic state of Thailand react within the international arena to this aggression by the filthy, bandit thuggery of the former taxi driver, Putin?

Just joking. This ridiculous country and its faux democracy will of course do nothing.

Back in the real world, Russia is now openly in breach of the 1994 Budapest agreement signed by them, the US and the UK under which they undertook to uphold Ukraine's sovereignty in return for the latter giving up its nuclear arsenal.

Russians should now be excluded from the UK except for those with permanent residence or who are dependants or spouses of British citizens or of those who are lawfully resident. Landing rights to carriers from Russian sourced routes should be suspended and any flagged or operated Russian vessels should be denied entry to UK territorial waters. Russian and UK diplomatic ties should be severed and missions closed.

All state and commercially held Russian funds held in UK banks should be frozen.

The only way to treat Russian thuggery is by excluding the fuckers from the West. Let Putin suck Chinese cock, because he ain't going to get it anywhere else.

The US and UK should now begin shipping arms and munitions to Poland in quantity for transportation to the Ukraine.

Russian manoeuvres in the Channel and into UK airspace should be harassed with terminal force.

Russians only understand brute force.

The EU are reciprocating but one must have sympathy for the Germans - difficult for them to muster military might against Putin's thuggery when it was only 80 years ago they were responsible for slaughtering over 20 million Russkies.

The Budapest memorandum ?

The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan.

Now tell me how kicking off Ukraine's accession into Nato in 2014 -BEFORE Crimea was taken back -is NOT a violation of the Budapest Memorandum.

jesus christ

We got another war monger here. How would Ukraine not joining Nato effect his life ? The choice is war in Europe or Ukraine doesn't join Nato.

[bsnub]

Everyone except skiddy and ohno

You forgot Sabang. Together, they are the Three Stooges. Pushing false narratives and spewing lies and propaganda like the useful idiots they are.

[Norton]

So Putin escalates. Dumb move. Unintended consequences to follow. Tactically Putin is very good but Strategically he is and has been a failure.

[Backspin]

And in any case, an independent country has every right to choose how it should arrange its security but really only a fucking deranged tyrant would think for one second NATO would launch a land operation invading Russia from UKR territory.
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Just like Cuba has the right to choose how it arranges its security. A rerun of the Cuban missile crisis is guaranteed. All for nothing. Cuba already has observer status in the Eurasian Union for that reason.

Uzbekistan and Cuba Become Observer States Of The Eurasian Economic Union - Russia Briefing News

If Nato wasn't going to attack Russia then all it had to do was write a security guarantee. Which it did not do.

NATO rejects Russian demands for security guarantees in latest round of talks - ABC News

[Backspin]

The Nato "open door" policy. Yeah...

Ex-Nato head says Putin wanted to join alliance early on in his rule | Nato | The Guardian

[Backspin]

Here's what the US was busy installing in the new Nato countries. Permanent missile batteries pointed directly at Russia.

This was in 2010. Before 2014 ever happened.

[pickel]

Now tell me how kicking off Ukraine's accession into Nato in 2014 -BEFORE Crimea was taken back -is NOT a violation of the Budapest Memorandum.

Do you understand what political independence means? You even highlighted it.

[HermantheGerman]

Putin's address to the Russians - broadcast

February 21, 2022 - 22:35

Nearly an hour long.

However, no noticeable breaks, for diaper changes, ice creams or sniffing young girl's hair.

Official transcript, in English, available here:

Address by the President of the Russian Federation • President of Russia

Hey idiot, did you listen to it? Did you understand it? Of course not because you are an imbecile.
The fact that he spoke over an hour shows that he is insane.
Experts say that covid isolation got the best of him. The old man has lost his marbles.
He clearly said that he wants all of the Ukraine because historically it belongs to Russia. He will take the whole Ukraine!

[bsnub]

Do you understand what political independence means? You even highlighted it.

He is busy clogging up all these Ukraine threads with his inane drivel. All of it needs to be chucked in the doghouse.

[pickel]

One things for sure, Russia wouldn't be invading if Ukraine kept their nukes. Putins a backstabbing cnut.

[aging one]

He is busy clogging up all these Ukraine threads with his inane drivel. All of it needs to be chucked in the doghouse.

He is out of control today. On another thread saying China and Russia have fair law courts. I always waste a red on him. Right after giving it, he comes out with nonsensical doozies.

[HermantheGerman]

Not as yet.


Democracy has spoken. The Donetsk and Luhansk democratically elected governments have requested Russian assistance to stop the genocide being acted apon them by the puppet Ukraine entity.

Russia has accepted and plans to send peacekeepers.


No Russian invasion, yet.

No Russian invasion, yet.

The Donetsk and Luhansk democratically elected governments have requested Russian assistance to stop the genocide being acted on them by the puppet Ukraine entity.

Until proven otherwise, one should accept the only current factual proof, THE LORDS words.

Donbass is part of Ukraine regardless of what Putin says.

Boy, the three stooges strike again. You are dumber then I thought. Playing the victim and now the number game and having NO CLUE what you are babbling about.

Russia's economic performance is literally an indictment. It doesn't matter which set of figures is considered: For such a giant country, blessed with such enormous resources and with a well-educated population of 145 million people, five times the gross domestic product would be rather modest. Little South Korea, for example, which was still defeated by the war in 1953, has developed an economy that is now somewhat larger than Russia's. The Chinese province of Jiangsu, for example (who doesn't know it?) has a GDP close to that of Russia - overtaking is only a matter of time. The comparison with Switzerland, which has about half the economic power of Russia (without a bestseller such as oil, gas and war supplies). The US state of California and the United Kingdom are about twice as important economically as Russia. Should Putin attack Ukraine, Russia's economy would collapse because of the expected sanctions and because of the costs of the war and occupation. “Upper Volta with nuclear missiles”, the German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt once sneered at the then Soviet Union – bitterly angry, but still not entirely wrong today. Russia lies chained, like the giant Gulliver in Jonathan Swift's classic. A substantial increase within the Putin system is illusory.

[Backspin]

Ukraine is being invaded by Russia, which is proof they should belong to NATO.

You have cause and effect mixed up

Ex-U.S. Ambassador to USSR: Ukraine Crisis Stems Directly from Post-Cold War Push to Expand NATO | Democracy Now!

[OhOh]

FACT SHEET: Executive Order to Impose Costs for President Putin’s Action to Recognize So-Called Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republic



February 21, 2022

Statements and Releases

"Today, President Biden signed an Executive Order (E.O.) to respond to President Putin’s action to purportedly recognize the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics (DNR and LNR) as “independent” states. President Putin’s action contradicts Russia’s commitments under the Minsk agreements, refutes Russia’s claimed commitment to diplomacy, and undermines Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

This E.O. is distinct from the swift and severe economic measures we are prepared to issue with Allies and partners in response to a further Russian invasion of Ukraine. We are continuing to closely consult with Ukraine and with Allies and partners on next steps and urge Russia to immediately deescalate.

Today’s E.O. prohibits:

• New investment in the so-called DNR or LNR regions of Ukraine by a United States person, wherever located;
  
• The importation into the United States, directly or indirectly, of any goods, services, or technology from the so-called DNR or LNR regions of Ukraine;
  
• The exportation, reexportation, sale, or supply, directly or indirectly, from the United States, or by a United States person, wherever located, of any goods, services, or technology to the so-called DNR or LNR regions of Ukraine;
  
• And any approval, financing, facilitation, or guarantee by a United States person, wherever located, of a transaction by a foreign person where the transaction by that foreign person would be covered by these prohibitions if performed by a United States person or within the United States.
  

The E.O. also provides authority to impose sanctions on persons determined:

• To operate or have operated since the date of the order in the so-called DNR or LNR regions of Ukraine;
  
• To be or have been since the date of the order a leader, official, senior executive officer, or member of the board of directors of an entity operating in the so-called DNR or LNR regions of Ukraine;
  
• To be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order;
  
• Or to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or technological support for, or goods or services to or in support of, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.
  

The Department of the Treasury is issuing six General Licenses to ensure that humanitarian and other related activity can continue in these regions:

• The purpose of this E.O. is to deny Russia the chance to profit from its blatant violations of international law. These actions are not directed at the people of Ukraine or the Ukrainian government.
• Treasury’s General Licenses are designed to support the innocent people who live in the so-called DNR and LNR regions who did not have a choice in Russia’s destabilizing and illegitimate actions today.
  
• The licenses allow a short-term wind down of activities, as well as for the export to the regions of food, medicine and medical devices, and ensure personal remittances can continue to flow.
• The licenses also allow telecommunications and internet services to remain operational, and mail services to continue.
• The licenses allow international organizations to be able to provide aid to the people in these two regions.
  

The United States will not hesitate to use its authorities to target those supporting efforts to undermine Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This authority provides the United States with the flexibility to impose similar restrictions on any other regions of Ukraine as appropriate."

Access Denied

Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics sanctions announced.

Another of Biden's "All hat and no trousers" moments?

One wonders if the People’s Republics will miss the immense positive contribution NaGastan has made to their lives during the last 8 years.

No date announce for any Russia's sanctions.

No commitment from others yet?

Ah, no invasion of Ukraine yet.

Possible or not:

[NamPikToot]

why have we now got another thread running on Ukraine

[bsnub]

Good question.

[OhOh]

Biden says, Russia’s recognition of DPR, LPR threatens US national security

The American leader asserted that "the Russian Federation’s purported recognition of the DPR and LPR contradicts Russia’s commitments under the Minsk agreements and further threatens the peace, stability, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of Ukraine"

22 Feb, 12:21

"WASHINGTON, February 22. /TASS/. The recognition of the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics (LPR and DPR) by Russia contradicts Moscow’s obligations within the framework of the Minsk Accords and represents a threat to the US national security and international policy, according to US President Joe Biden’s executive order imposing sanctions on the Donbass republics made public on Monday.

The American leader asserts that "the Russian Federation’s purported recognition of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) or Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) regions of Ukraine contradicts Russia’s commitments under the Minsk agreements and further threatens the peace, stability, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of Ukraine, and thereby constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States."

On February 21, Russian President Vladimir Putin recognized the sovereignty of the DPR and LPR. Agreements on friendship, cooperation and mutual assistance were signed with their leaders."

Biden says, Russia’s recognition of DPR, LPR threatens US national security - World - TASS

One wonders if splattering unarmed men, women and children around the world is in the NaGastan "unusual and extraordinary threat"bucket, or is it in the NaGastan "rules based everyday normal action" bucket.

[Backspin]

At the UN

Solovev to a Ukrainian rep: “You idiots. Americans have fed you weapons, destroyed your economy. Declared Ukraine a no fly zone, you can’t even fly out, then they evacuated all their staff, Brit’s took the flag off their embassy and cleaned their hands. You nazi degenerates.“

[panama hat]

Would you rather deny NATO membership to Ukraine to avoid war ? Or not ?

Why are you so sabang-like and posting up strawman arguments every time, except for when you simply lie?

It should be up to Ukraine to apply for membership without another country interfering - why do you want to deny a sovereign country the right to make their own decisions?

[sabang]

Perhaps a little less hysteria in certain quarters would lead to greater life expectancy. Russia has diplomatically recognised the two breakaway Republics, which are ethnically Russian and have been separate from Ukraine since shortly after the violent overthrow of the old Ukraine in 2014, that's all. Yes, a failure of Diplomacy. Blame the usual suspects then. It changes nothing.

[NamPikToot]

You have cause and effect mixed up

You have it all mixed up.

He's moved Russian sympathisers out of the disputed territories, given them passports and packed them off to Russia and moved his "Peace Keepers" in, all under the guise of maintaining stability. It is an uninvited military move by a foreign power into sovereign territory which he has no right to undertake.

Annexation....again