Ukraine war mega thread

[harrybarracuda]

Same as the the Assange thread where you called me names because you said he broke into a computer. When I refuted your point, you ignored my point and didn't applogize for insulting me when you were mistaken.

You go on ignore.

If you're going to act like a c u n t, I'll call you a c u n t.

That's showbiz.

[harrybarracuda]

erm wrong, they have proposed a range of measures they hope will influence Putin. He may decide to react with his own not insignificant measues given its winter - the best time to deploy them.

Now you're just being finicky. The idea of the sanctions is a deterrent.

If Putin decides to start playing with his pipelines, crack on. It will prove what I've been saying all along, which is that he is not to be trusted, and then the EU will switch to long term LNG contracts with the ME, US and others. So bring it on Vlad.

[NamPikToot]

EU will switch to long term LNG contracts with the ME

yep, and given the move away from fossil fuels he knows the timeframe for his influence in this regard is dwindling.

[Samuel]

If you think that might lead to WW3, so be it.

I doubt it — and if you think about it I'm sure you doubt it, too.

P.S. It was Russia who finished off the nazis: It wasn't the west vs. Russia in WW2, of course.

The cold war happened intentionally after Churchill and Stalin divided up the spoils of their victory.

[NamPikToot]

The nazis were finished because they fought on too many fronts, the Russians took their spoils. Now its bed time, get your head down and lets see what tomorrow brings.

[Samuel]

see what tomorrow brings.

I enjoy a vigorous debate — need to use my critical thinking skills and find quotes from reliable sources to back up the points.

Seems many TD posters don't and are more like crowds at an England football game, hurling insults at those who support the "other team" and then sometimes even brawl out in the parking lot.

[NamPikToot]

its opinions. If all it was on here was so called facts we'd be trading cut and pastes, of course some resort to baser levels and just insult. He'll be back up and running once he's got over his Ginger Beer. I'm not sure if he realises what its cockney for.

[Samuel]

its opinions. If all it was on here was so called facts we'd be trading cut and pastes,

bingo

[harrybarracuda]

yep, and given the move away from fossil fuels he knows the timeframe for his influence in this regard is dwindling.

Well maybe not in his lifetime which sadly is not short enough.

[harrybarracuda]

need to use my critical thinking skills

You need to find out if you've actually got any first.

[Backspin]

Funny you should say that.

Wasn't really a coup, it was the popular removal of a Putin lackey (he's still in Russia now as Vlad's guest).

Ukraine has grown apart from Russia now, bar a few enclaves. Your argument is almost like Ireland should invade Glasgow because there's a lot of bead-twirling kiddie fiddlers there.

Things have changed and it's Putin that's prolonging the mess.

Five reasons why Ukraine rejected Vladimir Putin’s “Russian World” - Atlantic Council

Russia is Ukraines biggest trade partner still. Europeans want nothing to do with what Ukraine sells.

The latest Ukrainian president was elected on a mandate of peace with Russia. The US candidate lost.

[HermantheGerman]

Russia is Ukraines biggest trade partner still. Europeans want nothing to do with what Ukraine sells.

Why are you so stupid?

[panama hat]

Why are you so stupid?

He's too stupid to know why.

Russia is Ukraines biggest trade partner still. Europeans want nothing to do with what Ukraine sells.

Seriously, why do you do that all the time, simply lie and then either dig in or just leave to drop another shit elsewhere . . .

The EU is Ukraine's largest trading partner, accounting for more than 40% of its trade in 2019.

Total trade between EU and Ukraine reached €43,3 bn in 2019.

Ukraine exports to the EU amounted to €19.1 bn in 2019.

Ukraine - Trade - European Commission

[sabang]

Why is that stupid? I daresay there are western companies that are eyeing up Ukraine, but wouldn't invest in the current political climate.

[panama hat]

Why is that stupid?

Backspit's foggy, lying world:

Russia is Ukraines biggest trade partner still. Europeans want nothing to do with what Ukraine sells.

Reality:

The EU is Ukraine's largest trading partner, accounting for more than 40% of its trade in 2019.

Total trade between EU and Ukraine reached €43,3 bn in 2019.

Ukraine exports to the EU amounted to €19.1 bn in 2019.

Ukraine - Trade - European Commission


I'm surprised you fail to see the stupidity, inaccuracy, outright falsehood etc....

[sabang]

I see. Well here are the figures from the OEC-


EXPORTSThe top exports of Ukraine are Corn ($4.77B), Seed Oils ($3.75B), Iron Ore ($3.36B), Wheat ($3.11B), and Semi-Finished Iron ($2.55B),
exporting mostly to Russia ($4.69B), China ($3.94B), Germany ($3.08B), Poland ($2.75B), and Italy ($2.57B).


IMPORTSThe top imports of Ukraine are Refined Petroleum ($4.3B), Cars ($2.64B), Packaged Medicaments ($1.84B), Coal Briquettes ($1.76B), and Petroleum Gas ($1.49B),
importing mostly from China ($7.36B), Russia ($6.62B), Germany ($5.33B), Poland ($5.18B), and Belarus ($4.14B).

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/ukr/


Certainly, in a national sense, UKR's two dominant trading partners are Russia and China. In a quasi-national sense it's uncertain- the EU may exceed either of these.

[panama hat]

In a quasi-national sense it's uncertain- the EU may exceed either of these.

It does and has nothing to do with 'quasi-national', unless you ant to split up Russia into different states and semi-autonomous regions and China into separate regions.

I'll repeat:

Russia is Ukraines biggest trade partner still. Europeans want nothing to do with what Ukraine sells.

The EU is Ukraine's largest trading partner, accounting for more than 40% of its trade in 2019.

Total trade between EU and Ukraine reached €43,3 bn in 2019.

Ukraine exports to the EU amounted to €19.1 bn in 2019.

Ukraine - Trade - European Commission

Russia is NOT Ukraines biggest trading partner - a simple lie
'Europeans' do not want 'nothing to do wth what Ukraine sells' - another simple lie.


Slice it and dice it any which way you wish, two false statements, easily disproven.

[harrybarracuda]

I see. Well here are the figures from the OEC-


EXPORTSThe top exports of Ukraine are Corn ($4.77B), Seed Oils ($3.75B), Iron Ore ($3.36B), Wheat ($3.11B), and Semi-Finished Iron ($2.55B),
exporting mostly to Russia ($4.69B), China ($3.94B), Germany ($3.08B), Poland ($2.75B), and Italy ($2.57B).


IMPORTSThe top imports of Ukraine are Refined Petroleum ($4.3B), Cars ($2.64B), Packaged Medicaments ($1.84B), Coal Briquettes ($1.76B), and Petroleum Gas ($1.49B),
importing mostly from China ($7.36B), Russia ($6.62B), Germany ($5.33B), Poland ($5.18B), and Belarus ($4.14B).

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/ukr/


Certainly, in a national sense, UKR's two dominant trading partners are Russia and China. In a quasi-national sense it's uncertain- the EU may exceed either of these.

There is nothing "quasi-national" about it as the EU is a single trading bloc and thus it is correct to compare it with Russia and China who are not.

[OhOh]

Ukraine Imports By Country

Oh, Oh, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. It appears that Ukraine's single most important importer/exporter is China.

[sabang]

yes, but if we add all of the 27 EU member states together.......

[harrybarracuda]

yes, but if we add all of the 27 EU member states together.......

We get 27.

[harrybarracuda]

COMTRADE database on international trade. It appears that Ukraine's single most important importer/exporter is China.

Hmmm so which would cause more damage to Ukraine?

Losing EU business or losing chinky business?

[bsnub]

but if we add all of the 27 EU member states together.......

Is America going to have to not be counted? Since, using your logic, trade would have to be counted by individual states.

OhDoh and Sawangs fuzzy logic.

[sabang]

I think the balance of trade will inevitably swing more towards the west over time- given the politics. A few percentage points anyway- the Ukrainian economy is still to a large extent reliant upon Russia. But neo-Ukraine would be better off without Donetsk, so they should use it to their advantage.


^ Sorry, America was too low on the scale to be counted.

[harrybarracuda]

I think the balance of trade will inevitably swing more towards the west over time- given the politics. A few percentage points anyway- the Ukrainian economy is still to a large extent reliant upon Russia. But neo-Ukraine would be better off without Donetsk, so they should use it to their advantage.


^ Sorry, America was too low on the scale to be counted.

More Putin arse-kissing. How do you live with the taste of dictator's shit constantly in your mouth?