Ukraine war mega thread

[OhOh]

10 Jun, 2022 16:12 HomeRussia & FSU

Ukraine acknowledges it’s losing artillery war to Russia

Kiev forces have one artillery piece to 15 fielded by their adversary, a top intelligence official has said

"Kiev forces are almost out of ammunition and can only rely on Western-supplied arms in the battle against Russia, a top Ukrainian intelligence official has said. “This is an artillery war now,” Vadim Skibitsky, the deputy head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, told The Guardian on Friday.

Ranged combat is going to decide the outcome of the conflict between the two countries, “and we are losing in terms of artillery,” he acknowledged."

Ukraine acknowledges it’s losing artillery war to Russia — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

America could stop giving weapons today and Ukraine would still be fighting.

The military assitance to Ukraine includes far more than just "weapons". Try with the entire EU, NATO infrastructure: intelligence, satellites, communications, military equipment, counter-battery systems, electronic warfare systems ....

However, see the opinion of President Zelensky and Mikhail Podolyak, an aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky below, of what is required.

They would presumably know, more accurately, than your unnamed source of "information".

10 Jun, 2022 12:46 HomeRussia & FSU

Ukraine gives update on combat losses

Kiev is losing up to 200 troops every day in the battle for the Donbass, a presidential aide says

"Ukraine is losing from 100 to 200 troops daily in the battle for the Donbass against Russia, and its allies in the Lugansk (LPR) and Donetsk People's Republics (DPR), Mikhail Podolyak, an aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, told the BBC on Thursday.
The numbers are higher than earlier figures acknowledged by Kiev.

Just over a week ago, President Zelensky said that from 60-100 Ukrainian soldiers were being killed in the Donbass on a daily basis, with another 500 injured.

Such high numbers of military casualties are the result of a “complete lack of parity” between forces in the Donbass, Podolyak explained.

Kiev needs the West to supply as many as 300 multiple rocket launch systems to level the playing field, he said."

https://www.rt.com/russia/556932-ukr...olyak-donbass/

[bsnub]

Ukraine acknowledges it’s losing artillery war to Russia

This will be addressed soon. 50 miles behind enemy lines.

Kiev is losing up to 200 troops every day in the battle for the Donbass, a presidential aide says

Compared to 1000 a day for Russia. In the early days, it was 10 to 1 in favor of Ukraine.

[OhOh]

This will be addressed soon.

I agree.

If the Ukrainians have been trained to the level of NaGastan soldiers, were the Ukrainian soldiers trained, by NaGastan, in the previous 8 years of fighting the then, two rebel parts of Ukraine,

If they have sufficient missiles,

If they arrive at the front,

If their GPS system works,

....

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Allegedly utilised "successfully" in Afghanistan, against soldiers armed with AK47s. That was another NaGastan "victory", if one includes running away into the night, a la .... .... .... .... in your list eh?

[Backspin]

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Did you read this part too?

Ah yes. The article also says "this" which defeats the whole purpose of the article. Pickels stock and trade

Nicaragua'''s Ortega defends Russia'''s stance over Ukraine | Reuters


b you'll see the sanctions , human rights issues, coups and civil unrest in Nicuruaga soon enough

[Backspin]

He would whine about being a Brit and not therefore not involved.



Backspit tries so hard to be 'informed' yet is shown to be sabang's dumber relative each time . . . and that's coming from a very low relations bar

Prickel really shot that one down yup.

A hemispheric threat: Russia’s interference in Nicaragua | The Hill

[pickel]

Links would confirm your allegation.

Already been posted, perhaps you should pay more attention.

from the Global Times or China Daily or maybe RT?

The link I posted was video of Russian state TV. But hoohoo only pays attention to the parts he likes.

[pickel]

Here you go hoohoo, but pay more attention next time.

Click the link to see the video.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaDavi...19410138927104

[pickel]

Ah yes. The article also says "this" which defeats the whole purpose of the article. Pickels stock and trade

There's the purpose of the article, and then there's your purpose in posting the article.

You intimate that Nicaragua has aligned themselves with Russia over the US, and the nukes will soon arrive. Not the case though, is it?

[sabang]

The Biden administration clearly overestimated the extent of international outrage at Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

JUNE 9, 2022
|12:01 AM
TED GALEN CARPENTER


Biden administration officials treat Russia as an international pariah and push the global community to unite behind Washington’s leadership to compel the Kremlin to withdraw its forces from Ukraine. The administration’s strategy has been just partially successful. Criticisms of Russia’s actions are relatively easy to find among foreign leaders, but when it comes to outright condemnations—much less endorsements of NATO’s position that the war was unprovoked and entirely Moscow’s fault—governments around the world demur.

They are even less inclined to sign on to the U.S.-led campaign to impose extraordinarily severe sanctions on Russia. Indeed, outside of NATO and the string-of-pearls U.S. bilateral security alliances in East Asia, the support for sanctions is notable for its absence. That was true even during the first month of the war, and it has become even more pronounced since then.

Hudson Institute scholar Walter Russell Mead provides an apt summary of Washington’s lack of success in broadening the anti-Russia coalition beyond the network of traditional U.S. allies. “The West has never been more closely aligned. It has also rarely been more alone. Allies in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization plus Australia and Japan are united in revulsion against Vladimir Putin’s war and are cooperating with the most sweeping sanctions since World War II. The rest of the world, not so much.”

Signs of trouble surfaced almost immediately. On March 2, 2022, the United Nations General Assembly approved a resolution condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and calling for the immediate withdrawal of Russian military forces: 141 countries voted for the resolution, and as U.S. officials were fond of emphasizing, only five voted against.

However, a surprising 35 countries—including 17 African nations—opted to abstain, even though a favorable vote to placate the United States would have been the easy choice. The resolution was purely symbolic, since it did not obligate U.N. members to take any substantive action, yet a significant number of countries in Asia, the greater Middle East, and Sub-Saharan Africa, opted to snub Washington. More than 20 percent of the General Assembly’s membership refused to embrace a purely feel-good measure the Biden administration emphatically wanted passed. From the outset, the U.S.-sponsored global coalition against Russia looked fragile and unenthusiastic. It has become more so with the passage of time.

African countries especially fail to see any advantage for themselves in supporting the West’s policy. Although Washington insists that repelling Russia’s aggression against Ukraine is essential to preserve the “rules based, liberal international order,” governments and populations in Africa see matters differently. To them, the war looks more like a mundane power struggle between Russia and a Western client state. As one African scholar put it: “many in Africa and the rest of the Global South do not regard—and never have regarded—the liberal international order as particularly liberal or international. Nor do they consider it to be particularly orderly, considering how much their countries were turned into spheres of influence and arenas for geostrategic competition.”

More tangible economic interests also push Africa toward neutrality. A June 3 New York Times analysis concluded succinctly: “A meeting on Friday between the head of the African Union and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia highlighted the acute needs each one hopes the other can fill: Africa needs food, and the Kremlin needs allies.” Indeed, the head of the African Union, President Macky Sall of Senegal, has explicitly called for the lifting of sanctions on Russia.

Even portions of Latin America have balked at waging economic war against Russia. Most troubling for the U.S.-led anti-Russia strategy, both Brazil and Mexico—the region’s two most important political and economic players—continue to dissent. Indeed, the tensions have broadened to negatively impact Washington’s overall relations with those two governments. Mexico’s president even refused to attend the Biden administration’s much ballyhooed “Summit of the Americas” in June. It was an ostentatious snub.

It is especially ominous for U.S. objectives that both China and India have stayed on the sidelines with respect to the West’s showdown with Russia. True, Xi Jinping’s government has also resisted Moscow’s calls for greater solidarity and tangible support. PRC leaders have instead sought to remain on the tightrope of trying to pursue a generally neutral course with a slight tilt toward Russia’s position. But most important, both Beijing and New Delhi have remained firm in their refusal to impose economic sanctions on Russia.

The Biden administration has not reacted well to any country’s attempt to maintain a neutral posture. That annoyance even has been directed at major powers such as China and India. U.S. officials have exerted increasingly insistent pressure on both governments to embrace the West’s sanctions strategy. Some of Washington’s statements have amounted to outright threats.

On multipleoccasions, the administration warned India that there would be “consequences” for failing to impose sanctions on Russia. The unsubtle message was that India itself could become a target for sanctions from the United States and its allies, if New Delhi failed to cooperate.

Despite the much more extensive bilateral economic links to the PRC, Washington has even threatened Beijing with sanctions if it supported Moscow’s actions in Ukraine. Moreover, “supporting” increasingly became an implicit synonym for “failing to oppose.” Beijing did not respond passively to such pressure. Instead, the PRC warned that it would impose retaliatory sanctions against the United States and its allies.

Washington’s bullying behavior is not playing well internationally. For example, the Biden administration’s threats to sanction China over Beijing’s relations with Moscow immediately Thailand, Indonesia, and other smaller powers in East Asia.

However, the reaction was not one of capitulating to Washington’s demands.

Instead, the abrasive U.S. approach seemed to harden the resolve of those nations to remain neutral with respect to the Russia-Ukraine war. South Africa and other countries in the Global South also complained loudly about heavy-handed U.S. pressure, and refused to alter their positions.

The Biden administration clearly overestimated the extent of international outrage at Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Given the track record of multiple Western military actions against sovereign countries, including Serbia, Iraq, and Libya, it is hardly surprising that other governments might view the West’s stance regarding Moscow’s behavior as the epitome of self-serving hypocrisy. U.S. leaders also overestimated the extent of U.S. leverage to compel nations not in Washington’s geopolitical orbit to participate in a punitive policy toward Russia. It should be a sobering experience, but the administration and the members of the U.S. foreign policy blob that populates it show no signs of learning anything worthwhile. Instead, U.S. arrogance and the inflated sense of Washington’s power continues undiminished.

Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow in defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute and a contributing editor at The American Conservative, is the author of 12 books and more than 1,100 articles on international affairs.

https://www.theamericanconservative....bal-consensus/


Slow Joe & Co are idiots, who have only served to highlight declining US hegemony.

[sabang]

..... However, today Biden has different responsibilities than Zelensky. None are to provide a bank check to Ukraine. Contrary to the apparent assumption that America and Ukraine have the same interests, significant differences loom. And the Biden administration should look after the US first.

Although Ukraine’s course is up to Kyiv, the Biden administration’s substantial assistance entitles it to offer its opinion. Moreover, Washington should decide on US policy, including support levels, based on America’s, not Ukraine’s, interests. Kyiv’s requests are just that, requests, not mandates, to be answered based on what is best for Americans.

What considerations should motivate the Biden administration? First is to keep the US at peace. War with Russia, a nuclear-armed power, would be terrible and could be disastrous. For much the same reason Washington should seek to prevent the conflict from spreading to nearby countries, especially NATO members, which could drag in America. In contrast, Kyiv already has sought to bring America into the war, pushing for a "no-fly" zone, for instance, as well as to escalate the conflict, through essentially unlimited arms shipments.

Second is to prevent US support for Ukraine from passing the uncertain "red line" of belligerency, as perceived by Moscow. Great powers regularly fight proxy wars, but they generally limit lethality and maintain deniability. Providing rockets that could hit Russian territory, helping kill Russian generals and sink Russian ships, and publicly showcasing all manner of weapons provided risk pushing Moscow to escalate, either in weapons used (chemical or nuclear weapons) or sites targeted (weapons shipments or depots in Poland).

Third is to avoid pushing Moscow to the brink of conventional defeat. The Putin government could respond to the threatened loss of territory, such as the Crimea or portion of the Donbass seized by separatists in 2014, by initiating a game of geopolitical chicken, moving closer to total war with full-scale mobilization or use of WMDs. Kyiv might be willing to accept that risk, but America should not. Since Ukraine matters more to Russia, the latter will always be willing to spend and risk more.

Fourth is to emphasize the importance of a stable peace. Although a frozen conflict is better than a hot war, it would still be costly. For months or years Ukraine and Russia would be in a state of war, Ukraine’s economy and society would be severely disrupted, Western diplomatic and economic relations with Moscow would be negligible, Russia would be forced closer to China, and the world would remain divided between the US, Europe, and allied states and Russia, China, and the Global South. Moreover, the long-simmering conflict could always burst into flame, with the danger of uncontrolled escalation by governments frustrated by the deadlocked status quo.

Fifth is to avoid treating Russia like a giant North Korea, isolated and in ill-repute, but better armed and with important friends, such as China and India. If resolutely hostile, such a Moscow could cause increasing trouble in Northeast Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America. Proxy wars were common during the Cold War and might again become the great power weapon of choice.

Sixth is to eschew the sanctimony that envelops almost all that the US does internationally. The Putin regime’s behavior has been atrocious, but Washington is no Vestal Virgin, which is one reason so many Asian, African, and Latin American nations went their own way. The US routinely flouts the so-called rules-based order and commits aggression, bombing, invading, and occupying nations irrespective of the dictates of international law. Indeed, Washington’s Global War on Terrorism has killed hundreds of thousands and displaced millions of civilians. The Obama, Trump, and Biden administrations are complicit in war crimes committed by Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates with American weapons and munitions. In criticizing Moscow Washington should drop its tendentious moralizing.

The Russo-Ukrainian war is a tragedy. It also is a threat. Kyiv has an incentive to entangle its friends in the conflict, even if doing so risks triggering another world war. For Washington the interests of the American people should be paramount. President Biden might declare "Nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine." However, his highest duty is to protect this nation. If he forgets the American people should remind him.

Doug Bandow is a Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute. A former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan, he is author of Foreign Follies: America’s New Global Empire.

FULL- Who Does Joe Biden Represent? Americans, Not Ukraine, Should Decide US Policy - Antiwar.com Original


The mid-Terms cannot come soon enough.

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Prickel really shot that one down yup.

After seeing how epically shitty the Russian army is in Ukraine, no one is worried about them being in Nicaragua.

Slow Joe & Co are idiots, who have only served to highlight declining US hegemony.

Utterly laughable to see you posting articles by far right clowns like Ted Galen Carpenter. Doing a great job to push your shit narrative.

[kingwilly]

In contrast, Kyiv already has sought to bring America into the war, pushing for a "no-fly" zone, for instance, as well as to escalate the conflict, through essentially unlimited arms shipments.

Yes, how dare they struggle for survival.

[sabang]

^^ As opposed to the Five Star armchair General berating us all how Putin is having his ass handed to him on a plate.

[harrybarracuda]

Sabang would have us believe he is in Pattaya "having rather a good time" when in fact he is stuck at home frantically googling pro-Puffy bullshit.

[bsnub]

Putin is having his ass handed to him on a plate.

Russia's losses have been staggering to date. 20,000+ dead and counting, and massive losses in armored vehicles and aircraft.

So much for that lightning decapitation strike on Kyiv.

[OhOh]

Already been posted, perhaps you should pay more attention.

Then it would be so convenient for all, if you had referred to it previously.

I have watched your video, I presume its the first one.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaDavi...19410138927104

In it, a reporter states, "military and reporters" have said .... .

No reference to which "military and reporters. Those from Angola, NS Wales, Solomon Islands or established proven sources of accurate information, are named.

Ted Galen Carpenter.

Is TGC able to read a teleprompter, are his statements miss-speaks, as farting Joe's are, do his staff walk them back?

When he walks into a room, do people turn their backs on him .... ?

Currently they are lining up in their thousands to organise their Russian internal passports.

Military operation in Ukraine

12 Jun, 07:16

About 7,000 Kherson region residents apply for Russian passports since late May

The number of offices where citizens can apply for a Russian passport will be increased, the official added
KHERSON, June 11. /TASS/.

"About 7,000 applications for Russian citizenship have been filed by residents of the Kherson Region since late May, a deputy head of the region’s military-civilian administration, Kirill Stremousov, has told TASS.

"About 7,000 applications have already been submitted, and their number tends to grow," he said, adding that a few hundred of them have already been processed.

The number of offices where citizens can apply for a Russian passport will be increased, the official added.

First passports were issued to Kherson region residents on Saturday, during a formal ceremony held in the run-up to Russia Day, marked on June 12.
On May 25, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree to simplify Russian citizenship procedure for residents of Ukraine’s Zaporozhye and Kherson regions."

https://tass.com/world/1463943

Military operation in Ukraine

11 Jun, 20:13

Russian passports presented to residents of Melitopol, Kherson

A ceremony to present the first Russian passports to local residents took place in cities

SIMFEROPOL, June 11. /TASS/

"The first Russian passports have been presented to the residents of the city of Melitopol, member of the main council of the Zaporozhye region’s military-civil administration Vladimir Rogov told TASS.

"A ceremony to present the first Russian passports to local residents took place in Melitopol today," he said.

Rogov noted earlier that over 7,000 residents of the Zaporozhye region had applied for Russian citizenship.

The first 23 Russian passports were presented to the residents of the city of Kherson on Saturday, a TASS correspondent reported. Head of the military-civilian administration Vladimir Saldo was the first to receive a Russian passport.

On May 25, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree relaxing rules for granting Russian citizenship to residents of Ukraine’s Zaporozhye and Kherson Region."

https://tass.com/society/1463875

Military operation in Ukraine

12 Jun, 03:56Updated at: 04:42

Civilians start leaving Azot plant in Severodonetsk - LPR ambassador to Russia

That gate is not controlled by militants

LUGANSK, June 12. /TASS/.

"Civilians have begun leaving the Azot chemical plant in Severodonetsk, Rodion Miroshnik, Ambassador of the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) to Russia, said on Saturday."Civilians have started coming out of Azot!" he wrote on his Telegram channel. "Civilians began to exit by Gate 2 of the Azot chemical plant. That gate is not controlled by militants. They (civilians - TASS) are being met and taken to safety by soldiers of the allied forces."

Miroshnik says that the remaining Ukrainian troops are holding a few buildings next to Gate 1.
"There are periodic exchanges of fire," he said adding that several hundred civilians may still be held hostage by the militants.

"As the militants are being encircled more and more, the civilians will be able to come out of their shelters. The allied forces are preparing transport for their evacuation," the diplomat concluded.

Earlier on Saturday, Miroshnik said that 300-400 Ukrainian fighters and up to 500 civilians might be holed up at the plant and that contact with the militants had been established and that negotiations were underway.

On Thursday, Colonel General Mikhail Mizintsev, the chief of Russia’s National Defense Management Center, said that Ukrainian militants, who were forcibly holding hundreds of Severodonetsk residents in the Azot plant’s underground facilities, planned to blow up chemical containers when retreating."

https://tass.com/world/1463923

Military operation in Ukraine

12 Jun, 02:55

Russian sappers clear almost 3,000 hectares in Donbass republics from mines — top brass

Mizintsev added that 35 buildings (including 13 vital facilities), one bridge and 9.64 kilometers of roads had been searched

MOSCOW, June 11. /TASS/.

"Military engineers of the Russian Armed Forces and Emergencies Ministry have inspected 2,988 hectares in the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR), disarming more than 18,000 explosive devices, Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev, the chief of Russia’s National Defense Management Center, said on Saturday.

"The [military] engineering teams of the Russian Armed Forces and the Russian Emergencies Ministry carry out the tasks of clearing the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics from mines. Overall, 2,987.87 hectares have been inspected in the past 24 hours, including 21.45 hectares in the past 24 hours. A total of 18,065 explosive devices have been located and disarmed, including 522 of them in the past 24 hours," said Mizintsev, who heads the Russian Joint Coordination Headquarters for Humanitarian Response in Ukraine.

Mizintsev added that 35 buildings (including 13 vital facilities), one bridge and 9.64 kilometers of roads had been searched.

On Thursday, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Igor Konashenkov said that the Engineer Troops of the Russian Armed Forces had begun demining the roads and forests of the Svyatye Gory national park near the settlements of Svyatogorsk, Yarovaya, Studenok and Sosnovoye of the Donetsk People’s Republic."

https://tass.com/russia/1463915

Military operation in Ukraine

12 Jun, 02:27

US-made weapons, MLRS deployed to Slavyansk schools by militants — top brass

According to the general, neo-Nazis have set up a stronghold at School No. 9 in the city of Pokrovsk, deploying sniper positions and heavy machine guns on the top floor and heavy equipment and MLRS in the yard, while residents of nearby houses are being held in the gym under the pretext of security

MOSCOW, June 11. /TASS/.

"Neo-Nazis have deployed US-made artillery pieces, heavy military equipment and multiple rocket launchers (MLRS) in schools of the city of Slavyansk in the Donetsk People's Republic, Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev, the chief of Russia’s National Defense Management Center, said on Saturday.

"In Slavyansk (the Donetsk People’s Republic), servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are stationed in Boarding School No. 1 and the High Voltage Research Institute (on General N. Batyuk Street), and weapons and ammo depots have been set up there. MLRS are deployed in the surrounding area," said Mizintsev, who heads the Russian Joint Coordination Headquarters for Humanitarian Response in Ukraine.

"In schools No. 17 (Olimpiyskaya Street) and No. 9 (Kutuzov Street) the militants of the nationalist battalions have equipped firing positions and placed US-made artillery pieces very close to the educational institutions," he said.

According to the general, neo-Nazis have set up a stronghold at School No. 9 in the city of Pokrovsk, deploying sniper positions and heavy machine guns on the top floor and heavy equipment and MLRS in the yard, while residents of nearby houses are being held in the gym under the pretext of security."

https://tass.com/russia/1463909

[panama hat]

Sabang would have us believe he is in Pattaya "having rather a good time" when in fact he is stuck at home frantically googling pro-Puffy bullshit.

. . . in 'his' house with a 'friend' having a great time . . . on TD. Over 2000 [psts just by sabang, ohwoe and backspit alone in this thread . . . with sabang in the lead by a country mile at 1200+

Yea, living the life, eh sabang.

Russian sappers clear almost 3,000 hectares in Donbass republics from mines — top brass

Of course they did . . . seems to be a common thread.

[sabang]

Yeh, life's good. Note to self- try eating more Thai food when in Thailand sab. Eating out is cheap here, comin from Oz. Wine criminally expensive though. Enough about me-


PROLONG AND PROVOKE: THE US AND UK APPROACH TO THE WAR IN UKRAINE


AS PART OF THEIR PROXY WAR THE WEST HAS BEEN DELIBERATELY TRYING TO HEAD OFF MOVES TOWARDS SERIOUS NEGOTIATIONS


The British government, as ever following the US lead, is sending longer range missile systems to Ukraine for the first time. The government described the M270 weapon system they are despatching as a “cutting edge” military asset which can strike targets up to 80 kilometres away “with pinpoint accuracy.” Ukrainian soldiers are due to be brought to Britain for training in how to use the missiles.
As even some of the mainstream media point out, on top of the four precision-guided, medium-range rocket systems sent by the US last week, this decision marks a new stage in the war in which the West is prepared to provide the Ukrainian military with the capacity to strike deep in to Russian territory, something they previously carefully avoided.

This is one in a series of escalations on the part of the Western powers. It provoked immediate retaliation in words and deeds from Vladimir Putin – including the first bombardment of Kiev for five weeks – as Western leaders must have known it would.

It underlines the fact that the West is still pushing for nothing less than the complete defeat of Russia while Russian troops continue their offensive.

As British Defence Secretary, Ben Wallace, said in a statement announcing the new weapons shipment, “If the international community continues its support, I believe Ukraine can win”.

As part of this policy of proxy war, the West has been deliberately trying to head off moves towards serious negotiations. The leading pro–Western Ukrainian newspaper Ukrayinska Pravda reported recently that Boris Johnson himself appeared in Kyiv early in May almost without warning, urging Zelensky not to negotiate with Putin.

“If you are ready to sign some guarantee agreements with him, we are not,” Johnson said, insisting it was instead the time to “press him.” Johnson later confirmed to French president Emmanuel Macron that he had “urged against any negotiations with Russia on terms that gave credence to the Kremlin’s false narrative for the invasion.”

It is first and foremost the Ukrainians who will suffer from this approach, as the conflict turns into a terrible war of attrition. But the war has global implications and the risks of a frightening military clash between nuclear armed great powers are higher than at any time for half a century.

To understand this situation and to be able to challenge it, we have to see beyond the West’s simplistic story that this is a war between the western values of freedom and democracy and Russian despotism.

The anti-war movement opposed the Russian invasion from the start. But the West bears a heavy responsibility for this disaster. Senior US foreign policy figures from Henry Kissinger to Madeline Albright and from George Kennan to William J. Burns, the current head of the CIA, have advised that the eastward expansion of NATO up to the Russian borders would be deeply provocative to the Russian ruling class. NATO decision makers knew this, but carried on regardless.

Last minute diplomacy might well have averted the war. Many senior former US diplomats and Russia experts urged the US to accept Vladimir Putin’s offer of talks before the invasion took place in January. The advice was rejected. As Ivan Katchanovski, a Ukrainian professor of political studies at the University of Ottawa argues, “The US and UK governments show no efforts or desire to achieve peaceful settlement of the armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine”.

Now Britain and the US appear to have abandoned even the limited military restraint they showed early on in the war. Their policy of pumping in the weapons and pushing for outright victory risks disaster. They must be stopped.
06 Jun 2022 • by Chris Nineham

https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/p...-in-ukraine-2/


The warmongering anglo 'heroes' are willing to fight to the very last Ukrainian. Gives them a convenient excuse not to invest in hospitals and schools for their downtrodden masses too.

[bsnub]

The warmongering anglo 'heroes' are willing to fight to the very last Ukrainian.

So once again more utter shit. Ukraine gets invaded and somehow anglo's are the warmongers. What a fucking retard.

[sabang]

McDonski-




OK to grope the staff.



Nice, but not quite-




And the food is....







..... the same.




FULL- Russian folk: How does the new version of McDonalds compare with the original? - Quora

[bsnub]

According to skiddy the Russians took out the Ukrainian Air Force in the first six days of the war...



Still performing air strikes 108 days into the war.

[harrybarracuda]

Prolong and Provoke: The US and UK Approach to the War in Ukraine | Stop the War

Amazing how a site that laughably calls itself "stopwar" at no point mentions that Putin is the invader.

No prizes for guessing who funds that site then.

[bsnub]

Amazing how a site that laughably calls itself "stopwar" at no point mentions that Putin is the invader.

That is because they are just anti-west Russian shills who happen to support Hezbollah and Hamas.

The Stop the War Coalition is more interested in fighting the West than fighting for Syrians | The Independent | The Independent

Stop the War’s hypocrisy over Russia is revolting | Comment | The Times

If Stop The War wants peace, why does it indulge Russia's wars?

[sabang]

Just curious. Do you think the US/ West gets involved in too many wars, and all too often (ie mostly) is on the losing side of them ��

[harrybarracuda]

And off we go with another attempt at derailing the Putin Invasion thread.