Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Show me a claim I have made against the activities of Radical Islam that later on has proved false , not just by your words but with a link to back it up just like I have done .

Show me a picture of a man in a green fedora and blue mac standing at the NW corner of Trafalgar square on 27th Feb 1985 at 4:15 in the afternoon first.

Originally Posted by slackula

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Show me a claim I have made against the activities of Radical Islam that later on has proved false , not just by your words but with a link to back it up just like I have done .

Show me a picture of a man in a green fedora and blue mac standing at the NW corner of Trafalgar square on 27th Feb 1985 at 4:15 in the afternoon first.

Usual BS reply without a gramme of truth to back you up

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Usual BS reply without a gramme of truth to back you up

Dammit, now you broke the Ironicometer™ back up unit.

Are you by any chance employed by the Ironicometer™ Sales and Marketing Division?

Originally Posted by slackula

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Usual BS reply without a gramme of truth to back you up

Dammit, now you broke the Ironicometer™ back up unit.

Are you by any chance employed by the Ironicometer™ Sales and Marketing Division?

Originally Posted by slackula

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Usual BS reply without a gramme of truth to back you up

Dammit, now you broke the Ironicometer™ back up unit.

Are you by any chance employed by the Ironicometer™ Sales and Marketing Division?

Ironicometer™ Repair Department. Piwanoi will send an agent soon.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Usual BS reply without a gramme of truth to back you up

Ah ha. I've worked it out. PiwaCILE is not a real person, but a microsoft algorithm running, and using that, injecting the personality of a clueless moron into a VR program.

It's on the blink though. The computer program has decided as usual that Piwacile needs to enter as Usual BS reply with no truth to it, but the other side of the that actually writes his usual BS reply needs tweaking.



Oh... and israelis who flew the planes bombing the ship have all come forward and admitted it.. They saw the flags, double checked, were told to sink it and ensure no survivors. Wiki?

Wikipedia founder supports Israel, but keeps site neutral | The Times of Israel

The Right's Latest Weapon: 'Zionist Editing' on Wikipedia - Haaretz - Israel News Haaretz.com

CAMERA - SourceWatch

Read and learn you racist tossbag.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Usual BS reply without a gramme of truth to back you up

Ah ha. I've worked it out. PiwaCILE is not a real person, but a microsoft algorithm running, and using that, injecting the personality of a clueless moron into a VR program.

It's on the blink though. The computer program has decided as usual that Piwacile needs to enter as Usual BS reply with no truth to it, but the other side of the that actually writes his usual BS reply needs tweaking.



Oh... and israelis who flew the planes bombing the ship have all come forward and admitted it.. They saw the flags, double checked, were told to sink it and ensure no survivors. Wiki?

Wikipedia founder supports Israel, but keeps site neutral | The Times of Israel

The Right's Latest Weapon: 'Zionist Editing' on Wikipedia - Haaretz - Israel News Haaretz.com

CAMERA - SourceWatch

Read and learn you racist tossbag.

So they used Napalm to try to sink the Ship? plus the life boats and men got strafed by Israeli planes and last but not least 400 Egyptian POW's was made to dig their own graves before being murdered !!, just which article did you get all this complete shite from lets being seeingit ? and in closing if you read the Wiki article the Israeli's were completely exonerated of any crime by the US Government , your story carries about as much water as a car park puddle

No Piwi - they used a torpedo to try and sink the ship.

They used the napalm to try and kill everyone on the ship.

USS Liberty Veterans Association

From the people actually on the ship, who saw the attack, the morning israeli recon plane circling before the attack that had positively identified the USS liberty as a USS.

At 1400 hours, while approximately about 17 nautical miles off the northern Sinai coast and about 25 nautical miles northwest of El Arish, USS Liberty’s crew observed three surface radar contacts closing with their position at high speed. A few moments later, the bridge radar crew observed high speed aircraft passing over the surface returns on the same heading. Within a few short moments, and without any warning, Israeli fighter aircraft launched a rocket attack on USS Liberty. The aircraft made repeated firing passes, attacking USS Liberty with rockets and their internal cannons. After the first flight of fighter aircraft had exhausted their ordnance, subsequent flights of Israeli fighter aircraft continued to prosecute the attack with rockets, cannon fire, and napalm.

During the air attack, USS Liberty’s crew had difficulty contacting Sixth Fleet to request assistance due to intense communications jamming The initial targets on the ship were the command bridge, communications antennas, and the four .50 caliber machine guns, placed on the ship to repel boarders. After the Israeli fighter aircraft completed their attacks, three Israeli torpedo boats arrived and began a surface attack about 35 minutes after the start of the air attack. The torpedo boats launched a total of five torpedoes, one of which struck the side of USS Liberty, opposite the ship’s research spaces. Twenty-five Americans, in addition to the nine who had been killed in the earlier air attacks, were killed as a result of this explosion.

Of course, that israel attacked the liberty so that it could illegally occupy the golan heights, makes iSRAEL the Victim.

An Amercan spy ship off the coast of Egypt during an advanced military conflict without either the Captain or Sixth Fleet providing notification to Israel of its purpose, situation or navigational course.

C'mon Psue, even you could bend or put a spin on that story to fit any side of an argument. Is it even remotely possible that a spy ship could have been providing intel to others beside Israel.
What exactly was the purpose of the USS Liberty without any support vessel nearby ?

(I'm just wondering.)

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

An Amercan spy ship off the coast of Egypt during an advanced military conflict without either the Captain or Sixth Fleet providing notification to Israel of its purpose, situation or navigational course.

C'mon Psue, even you could bend or put a spin on that story to fit any side of an argument. Is it even remotely possible that a spy ship could have been providing intel to others beside Israel.
What exactly was the purpose of the USS Liberty without any support vessel nearby ?

(I'm just wondering.)

Here is what many believe is a truthful account of the tragedy that took place The Lie that Won't Die: the USS Liberty Attack Slander, Continued | Robert Werdine | The Blogs | The Times of Israel

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Israeli Communications Said to Prove IAF Knew Liberty Was U.S. Ship - Haaretz - Israel News Haaretz.com

"They said, 'We've got him in the zero,'" Kirby was quoted as saying, "whatever that meant - I guess the sights or something. And then one of them said, 'Can you see the flag?' They said 'Yes, it's U.S, it's U.S.' They said it several times, so there wasn't any doubt in anybody's mind that they knew it."
read more: Israeli Communications Said to Prove IAF Knew Liberty Was U.S. Ship - Haaretz - Israel News Haaretz.com

J.Q. "Tony" Hart, then a chief petty officer assigned to a U.S. Navy relay station in Morocco that handled communications between Washington and the 6th Fleet, as saying that he listened in as McNamara said, "President [Lyndon] Johnson is not going to go to war or embarrass an American ally over a few sailors."
read more: Israeli Communications Said to Prove IAF Knew Liberty Was U.S. Ship - Haaretz - Israel News Haaretz.com

Keep dreaming boy.

Still waiting for you to confirm your accusation by an independent link that the Israeli's murdered 400 Egyptian POW's after they had dug their own graves and my latest post about the matter is nearer the truth than you will ever get , if the Israelis was guilty why was they completely exonerated in the Inquiry? , LBJ's great grandparents were Jewish ?

Still waiting for you to confirm your accusation by an independent link that the Israeli's murdered 400 Egyptian POW's after they had dug their own graves

what evidence will you accept? It is well publicized. Benjamin Ben-Eliezer was in charge of the commandos that did it.

As for the liberty? You really are a plank. Who was in charge of the "inquiry?" John McCains dad - a family or right wing zionist nutters.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Still waiting for you to confirm your accusation by an independent link that the Israeli's murdered 400 Egyptian POW's after they had dug their own graves

what evidence will you accept? It is well publicized. Benjamin Ben-Eliezer was in charge of the commandos that did it.

As for the liberty? You really are a plank. Who was in charge of the "inquiry?" John McCains dad - a family or right wing zionist nutters.

Well publicized indeed , OK lets see just one then , Ahh thats it Mc Cain's Dad's grandparents were Jewish and all the answers are there in my post 562 ya know the one you will steadfastly refuse to read

Zionist. And his DAD. You really are illiterate, aren't you, piwaCILE? Mad mullah of bumfuck isaan.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Egypt anger over 1967 'massacre'

jesus....even the lying zionist pro israel BBC reported on it. Drop the number though ... 250.



Here they are - a nice holiday snap prior to the massacre.

Ben Eliezer is a fraud, an extortor, a liar, and a blood thirsty monster. You will love him!

Must be weird for you piwaCILE - you spend your life knowing nothing, and when you learn new things from me, you must have a sean connery as you rush to Pat Condom to see what he has to say about it. Ignorant - completely ignorant. Two world events that you have absolutely no knowledge off. Your piwibrain must be blowing up around now.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

a)Of course, one point that people always forget about the israeli occupation of the Golan Heights is that this started with the israeli attaack on the USS Liberty.

b)Stationed of the Sinai peninsula, this american spy ship / listening ship full of spooks were monitoring the situation in the area, notably trying to work out(c) if the israelis had really lined up 400 Egyptian prisoners of war in Al Arish, made them dig their own graves, and then shot them all. Official reason was that they found too time consuming to keep bringing them water and food.

d)However, they were still working on this when israel were about to launch their object to purloin the Golan Heights. They didn't want the USA to know, lest they said "Don't be stupid!" so they instead decided the best approach was to sink the USS Liberty, killing all who sailed on it, taking the intelligence records to the see bed and then say sorry afterwards.

Bombed it with napalm. Radio recordings clearly show that the pilots and those giving the orders knew it was an American ship. Then they strafed the life rafts.

e)LBJ is on record as having told the defense planes from near by US fleet to stand down so as to not embarrass israel.

f)Aside from covering up war crimes, and committing an act of war, there is a hgih chance that they were going to pretend it was Egypt attacking the ship and drag america into the war. They were caught, but no American politician still today dare talk about it.

a) Nonsense, the two incidents were unrelated, the USS Liberty was attacked after Israel's counter-attack on Syria and advance on the Golan.

b) The USS Liberty was ordered into a battle zone, after USA had been warned by Israel of the consequences of doing so, and after the US defence department had ordered the ship out of the area.

Strangely enough, messages between the ship and US Navy commanders either didn't arrive, weren't sent, or were miss-understood, as USS Liberty remained in a suicidal position just 15 miles off Israel's shore, midway between two potentially dangerous and opposing naval forces of Egyptian and Israeli navies.

Why?
Just to gather information?

But the US Navy's polaris submarine "Andrew Jackson" was lurking down below the Liberty, feeding off its info, ready to take out Israel's Negev missile bases if Israel went too far sent missiles into Egypt, so upsetting Russia.

So who was controlling the war?

c)Another one of your made up figures, there were no Egyptian POW's executed near Al Arish. UN records and other testimonies call you a LIAR.

Much the same as your (and Livingstone's) earlier inflated figures of Palestinian dead, at the rate of hundreds to one of Israeli dead, while the true figures have been more or less consistently at 5 <10 Palestinians per 1 Israeli killed, on average, in the Israel/Palestine conflict, the majority of deaths resulting from Palestinian launched attacks on Israeli civilians and settlers.

d) What a total fabrication! If your claims were true, why then did Israel stop the attack on the Liberty and offer all assistance to the survivors? That help was of course refused by the Liberty,...official secrets too sensitive?

The ship didn't sink, the info garnered survived, as did the majority of the crew.

"Then they strafed the life-rafts", another blatant lie.

The life-rafts were burned or damaged in the initial attacks, and were knocked into the water by the crew.

None were strafed after the attack as you said, liar.

e) You'd make a cat laugh.

Johnstone trying to save Israel's face? US was too busy trying to appease Russia at the time to worry about Israel's blunders.

f) Another good one! Israel conning USA into believing Egypt would attack the Liberty when USA was already on standby to protect Egypt with Liberty's polaris sub escort?

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Timeline for the six day war relating to the Golan and the USS Liberty incident.

5th June 1967 Israel bombs Cairo, destroying Egyptian air-force.
Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon simultaneously attack Israel.

Israel informed Commander Ernest Carl Castle, the American Naval Attaché in Tel Aviv, that Israel would" defend its coast with every means at its disposal, including sinking unidentified ships", and asked the U.S. to keep its ships away from Israel's shores or at least inform Israel of the exact positions of US ships near Israel, which, of course, the US did NOT do, but instead ordered the USS Liberty to steam right into the Arab-Israeli war-zone!

Meanwhile, Syria launched attacks on Israel, shelled and bombed Northern Galilee, bombed Tiberias and Haifa,while Israel counter-attacked, destroying much of Syria's air-force, on the ground.

6th June 1967USS Liberty, of the US Navy Sixth Fleet, which was positioned in the mid-Mediterranean, somewhere between Libya and Crete, steamed at top speed (without an escort, which was refused) towards the Sinai Peninsula, mid-point between Egypt and Israel, right where any potential Egypt-Israel naval battle might be expected to be staged.

How dumb is that?

While that's going on, up north, Syria sends two brigades to attack kibbutz Tel Dan, Israel counter-attacks, sending the Syrians back over the border into the Golan.

7th June 1967 The USS Liberty arrives at a position in the southern Mediterranean, 15 miles north of the Sinai Peninsula.


8th June 1967 At 3:10 am local time, the Pentagon issued an order to Sixth Fleet headquarters to tell Liberty to come no closer than 100 nmi (120 mi; 190 km) to Israel, Syria, or the Sinai coast
USS Liberty claims to have not received the order.

"According to the Naval Court of Inquiry[20]:23 ff, 111 ff and National Security Agency official history,[21] the order to withdraw was not sent on the radio frequency that Liberty monitored for her orders until 15:25 Zulu, several hours after the attack, due to a long series of administrative and message routing problems. The Navy said a large volume of unrelated high-precedence traffic, including intelligence intercepts related to the conflict, were being handled at the time; and that this combined with a shortage of qualified Radiomen contributed to delayed sending of the withdrawal message."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Li..._of_the_attack

At the Golan, a ceasefire is declared, which is promptly broken by Syria, whereupon fighting resumes, Israel driving Syrian forces further back into the Golan, neutralizing Syrian artillery emplacements along the Golan Heights border.

9th June 1967 At around 2pm Israeli aircraft attack USS Liberty.

Israel continues moving up into the Golan.

10th June 1967 Syria announces the fall of Quneitra, hoping to bring in Russian help, but the plan backfires, causinf the remaining Syrian army to panic, desert their positions and flee the Golan, which Israel then captures and keeps.

The 6-Day War ended that night.

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Do you actually enjoy deliberately lying and making up so much rubbish daily?
If so, Dick,..you've got to be more than slightly unwell.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Zionist. And his DAD. You really are illiterate, aren't you, piwaCILE? Mad mullah of bumfuck isaan.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Egypt anger over 1967 'massacre'

jesus....even the lying zionist pro israel BBC reported on it. Drop the number though ... 250.



Here they are - a nice holiday snap prior to the massacre.

Ben Eliezer is a fraud, an extortor, a liar, and a blood thirsty monster. You will love him!

Must be weird for you piwaCILE - you spend your life knowing nothing, and when you learn new things from me, you must have a sean connery as you rush to Pat Condom to see what he has to say about it. Ignorant - completely ignorant. Two world events that you have absolutely no knowledge off. Your piwibrain must be blowing up around now.

Nah that Photo proves fuck all , you stated quite clearly that the 400 Egyptian POW murders by the Israeli's was well publicized , is it too much to ask for you to produce just one? cos the BBC article proves SFA ,now FFS either put up or STFU .

Why would I read that all Ent?

You seem to rely on wikipedia for everything? Like these pro israel shout everyone down merchants you see in debates. They actually know nothing, and when they hear about something new, they, like you, go to Wikipedia to get their version of history about it, and then the ADL to get how to turn it into ANTI SEMITISM and to make israel the victim.

I have already posted the link for CAMERA

CAMERA, the A.D.L., AIPAC and the rest of the lobby don't want fairness, but bias in their favor. And they are prepared to use McCarthyite tactics, as well as the power and money of pro-Israel PACs, to get whatever Israel wants.

Journalist and author Robert I. Friedman

They replace factual information on wikipedia with other versions that change it to being a Pro Israel story. It is all they do.

Now you will think that is a good thing. Historical facts? What good are they is they show israel in a bad light.

What more do you need? The pilots of the plane said before the attack "Is that a US lag? Yes" and the attack commenced.

The ship was in international waters. It is allowed to be there. israel was and is an ally of the USA.

What more proof do you need that it was intentional?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Why would I read that all Ent?

You seem to rely on wikipedia for everything? Like these pro israel shout everyone down merchants you see in debates. They actually know nothing, and when they hear about something new, they, like you, go to Wikipedia to get their version of history about it, and then the ADL to get how to turn it into ANTI SEMITISM and to make israel the victim.

I have already posted the link for CAMERA

CAMERA, the A.D.L., AIPAC and the rest of the lobby don't want fairness, but bias in their favor. And they are prepared to use McCarthyite tactics, as well as the power and money of pro-Israel PACs, to get whatever Israel wants.

Journalist and author Robert I. Friedman

They replace factual information on wikipedia with other versions that change it to being a Pro Israel story. It is all they do.

Now you will think that is a good thing. Historical facts? What good are they is they show israel in a bad light.

What more do you need? The pilots of the plane said before the attack "Is that a US lag? Yes" and the attack commenced.

The ship was in international waters. It is allowed to be there. israel was and is an ally of the USA.

What more proof do you need that it was intentional?

So you have concrete proof then that every single word written about the USS liberty tragedy in my post 562 is a total fabrication then? yes or no?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Why would I read that all Ent?

You seem to rely on wikipedia for everything? Like these pro israel shout everyone down merchants you see in debates. They actually know nothing, and when they hear about something new, they, like you, go to Wikipedia to get their version of history about it, and then the ADL to get how to turn it into ANTI SEMITISM and to make israel the victim.

I have already posted the link for CAMERA

CAMERA, the A.D.L., AIPAC and the rest of the lobby don't want fairness, but bias in their favor. And they are prepared to use McCarthyite tactics, as well as the power and money of pro-Israel PACs, to get whatever Israel wants.

Journalist and author Robert I. Friedman

They replace factual information on wikipedia with other versions that change it to being a Pro Israel story. It is all they do.

Now you will think that is a good thing. Historical facts? What good are they is they show israel in a bad light.

What more do you need? The pilots of the plane said before the attack "Is that a US lag? Yes" and the attack commenced.

The ship was in international waters. It is allowed to be there. israel was and is an ally of the USA.

What more proof do you need that it was intentional?

So you have concrete proof then that every single word written about the USS liberty tragedy in my post 562 is a total fabrication then? yes or no?

What aside from the words of the pilots of the israeli planes, the words of the people on the USS liberty, the person who handled the communications between LBJ and the fleet commander? Besides all of that primary irrefutable proof from all sides (US and israel) that were actually involved in the event on the day? You mean besides all of that to prove that a load of misinformation and lies in a right wing israeli propaganda article is indeed a made up pile of bullshit that only an imbecile (or piwaCILE) would swallow ?

Umm no, piwi. What we have learnt with you is that you are only believe propaganda rather than factual evidence and first hand accounts. Unless is has MEMRI on it... you don't believe it. Why? Because you are an illiterate ignorant fool just like the silafist idiots you hate. Same same piwacile - mad mullah that you are.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Drop the number though ... 250.

As usual, dick.

Drop them any lower you'll have a prolapse..

What about Dwight Porter, American Ambassador to Lebanon.

He confirmed that a member of his staff at the embassy in Beirut had shown him intercepted communications between the attacking Israeli pilots and their headquarters starting some time before the pilot sighted the ship that was their target. Once sighting the target, the lead pilot informed his controlling headquarters that the target was in sight and it was an American ship flying an American flag. He asked for confirmation of orders to attack and was told to attack. The pilot expressed some reluctance but was ordered to attack and did so.

He lying as well?

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Drop the number though ... 250.

As usual, dick.

Drop them any lower you'll have a prolapse..

You didn't read the BBC article did you... it says 1000.

Thing is, you don't mind the NAZIesque murder of POW's do you? If it had been 1 israeli though you would have been calling for nukes.

You and piwacile really are grotesque subhumans