Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

What would this guy know? Sir James Dyson: 'So if we leave the EU no one will trade with us? Cobblers...'

Originally Posted by blue

yeah more paying £xxxxxxx a week to have Polish chavs and other 2nd world scum pollute our lovely streets.

Originally Posted by longway

And people from other eu countries get paid by us for the privilege of being able to live work travel learn anywhere in the UK, and it is difficult if not impossible to control who and the numbers of those people that come.

The Country of which you are so proud:

Euro 2016: England fans in fresh clashes with police

Police in Marseille have deployed tear gas for a second evening to disperse England fans gathered ahead of the Euro 2016 football championships.
Officers in riot gear clashed with fans who threw bottles at police in the streets of the Old Port district.
BBC 5 live sports presenter George Riley said a group of England fans had appeared to be goading either the police or locals in the area.
France won the opening match in the tournament beating Romania 2-1.
The fresh clashes in Marseille began outside a pub in the same area that had been affected by trouble on Thursday and continued well into the night.
One England fan and one local man were arrested in the early hours of Friday after police had moved in with tear gas.
George Riley said the group he had seen gathering on Friday evening appeared "quite menacing", which prompted the 5 live team to leave.

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Euro 2016: England fans in fresh clashes with police - BBC News


A very 'special' people to be proud of eh?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I'm also pretty sure that the EU and government will NOT let Britain leave the EU - just wondering what scam they plan on using?

The government isn't legally bound to accept the referendum result. They could ignore an exit vote or use it to lever a better deal for the UK. I think this will happen.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

The government isn't legally bound to accept the referendum result.

Suicide for the government though - could also see Corbyn being kicked out as Labour leader, a wet dream for Farage. We really do need (& I'm not saying Farage is it) a new ideology at the forefront of the Labour party; Corbyn doesn't look like he's it; very detached from the people on this issue (as are the trade union leadership).

looks like UK politics is as ineffective and fucked as in France,

maybe the new reality of Europe,

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

very detached from the people on this issue

Aren't all political leaders?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Suicide for the government though

Good.

^ true.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

looks like UK politics is as ineffective and fucked as in France,

maybe the new reality of Europe,

For the first time in 7 years, I agree with you completely...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Suicide for the government though

not really, they have 5 more years to go, everyone will forget about it by then

I have a strong suspicion this is all show and they have no intention to follow through the referendum results

UK Voters oWneD again !!!

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Lastly, this will be a deck of cards, realities such as youth unemployment over 50% in Spain (yet endless EU and non-EU immigrants coming to take more jobs...) will be the next... & the Fourth Reich dream will be dead within five years...

Not sure about that, seems to me the very policies being used in the EU are there to inspire a far right up rising by the masses.

No one cares much about immigration, loss of sovereignty, when there is full employment, a good life lead by most.

When people are driven into poverty, high youth unemployment, loss of hope for a better future, that's when hard left/right arises, and there really is no great difference between national, European socialism and world socialism/communism.

Looking from outside in, it would appear the governments of Europe have been on a path to bring about radical change, immigration, austerity, unemployment, welfare cuts, knowing full well that this would result in a massive back lash against the system.

I also note a meeting of the main right wing European parties is happening just after the vote, when the house of cards falls, it can only be rebuilt from bottom up.

People are sheep and will follow, after all there seems little to lose and no one is giving answers, from the mainstream parties, it's just more of the same.

Don't think Trumps rise is an isolated one off, the people of the west are fed up, they will turn to leaders that say they will do something, not sit and talk.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I'm also pretty sure that the EU and government will NOT let Britain leave the EU - just wondering what scam they plan on using?

The government isn't legally bound to accept the referendum result. They could ignore an exit vote or use it to lever a better deal for the UK. I think this will happen.

I tend to agree with Betty as far as Ignoring or using it as a lever to get a better deal (although I would not put it past them to try ) the whole of Europe is waiting for the result with baited breath, and if its out for the UK then the pack of cards that has been mentioned may well start to topple .

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

The government isn't legally bound to accept the referendum result.

Suicide for the government though - could also see Corbyn being kicked out as Labour leader, a wet dream for Farage. We really do need (& I'm not saying Farage is it) a new ideology at the forefront of the Labour party; Corbyn doesn't look like he's it; very detached from the people on this issue (as are the trade union leadership).

If Corbyn gets behind the leave campaign and sticks with his principles then he has a good chance of winning the respect of the people and a good chance at a general election.

Sadly he appears to be hiding.

The EU has more to lose than the U.K, the whole experiment will crumble as the USSR did if Brexit wins.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

The government isn't legally bound to accept the referendum result.

Suicide for the government though - could also see Corbyn being kicked out as Labour leader, a wet dream for Farage. We really do need (& I'm not saying Farage is it) a new ideology at the forefront of the Labour party; Corbyn doesn't look like he's it; very detached from the people on this issue (as are the trade union leadership).

William Astor: Why voting Leave won't mean we leave the EU | Coffee House

Gloom and doom blog, but its a fair point that even if we vote to leave, we will remain (trapped). Only goes to show that going down the EU road is a one way path with no getting off. Its our last chance, and its very possible, even likely, it wont result in us leaving the EU and even now the other potential ramifications are quite large.

Perhaps most important of all, if the Brexiteers win, an exit from the EU is actually not deliverable. The EU referendum is merely advisory; it has no legal standing to force an exit. Parliament is still sovereign. We will need an Act of Parliament to revoke the European Communities Act 1972, by which Britain joined the EEC or Common Market, or perhaps a paving bill enabling the Government to start the Leave negotiations. But whatever, a vote will be required.

The Government, whether still led by David Cameron or not, would probably not win the vote in the House of Commons. Labour could claim the referendum was too close and did not include a majority to leave in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Therefore the Labour Party, the SNP and the few Lib Dems would claim to have the mandate to vote against the bill.

It would then only take a few fiercely europhile Tories to consult their constituents and their consciences, and decide that after all their campaigning to stay in the EU they cannot vote to leave either. Can one imagine Ken Clarke voting to leave even on a three-line whip?

Reports this week suggested pro-EU MPs are already plotting to keep Britain in the EU whatever the result: on the basis that Vote Leave has not spelt out an alternative deal for Britain’s access to the single market, they will claim there is no mandate for change.

so having said that , what do you make of the fact it's said, its the youngsters who want in and the old folk who want out? maybe the still slightly cultured older folk know something?

Half the problem today is the housing shortage and stress and materialism that causes .
The government uses Immigrants to drive that, and uses 'racism' to stop many sensible person questioning the overcrowding .

If anyone is uncomfortable with the federalist Europe aspect , a real concern , they should vote out,
That the grown-up approach not voting to stay in and put a perceived frivolous material loss of things ahead of freedom.


No point in wanting so desperately to be part of a group of friends that you end up joining a thug gang

^^ get a grip you drunken old fool, if you weren't so busy posturing and wallowing in your inflated sense of self importance, you could probably find enough information to make a reasonably well informed decision.

Originally Posted by PAG

The UK imports more from the other EU countries than it exports, so when you get EU politicians threatening trade repercussions in the event of Brexit, it would hurt them far more than it would the UK.

James Dyson on this issue and more. Does being in the EU really help us?

Prominent British Entrepreneur James Dyson Backs Exit From EU

He dismissed warnings about the possible impact of a Brexit on trade, saying:

“When the Remain campaign tells us no one will trade with us if we leave the EU, sorry, it’s absolute cobblers. Our trade imbalance with Europe is running at nine billion a month and rising. If this trend continues, that is £100bn a year.

“If, as David Cameron suggested, they imposed a tariff of 10 per cent on us, we will do the same in return. We buy more from Europe than they buy from us, so we would be the net beneficiary and based on these numbers it would bring £10bn into the UK annually. Added to our net EU contribution, it would make us around £18.5bn better off each year if we left the EU.”

He added that “the EU would be committing commercial suicide to impose a tariff because we import £100bn [of goods] and we only send £10bn there.”

Mr. Dyson also referred to the fact that the European market is not as significant as some make out. Explaining that his business exports far more to the rest of he world (81 per cent) than Europe (19 per cent), he said: “We’re very pleased with the European market – we’re number one in Germany and France – but it’s small and the real growing and exciting markets are outside Europe.”

In a boost for calls for an Australian points-based system of immigration to replace the EU’s free movement of people, Mr. Dyson spoke of how the rules actively prevent him from hiring the skilled engineers his business needs:

“We’re not allowed to employ them, unless they’re from the EU. At the moment, if we want to hire a foreign engineer, it takes four and a half months to go through the Home Office procedure. It’s crazy…

“Sixty per cent of engineering undergraduates at British universities are from outside the EU, and 90 per cent of people doing research in science and engineering at British universities are from outside the EU. And we chuck them out!”

Mr. Dyson bemoaned the fact those researchers then take back that valuable technology to China or Singapore and use it against British companies.

Britain would gain more from leaving the EU than it would lose, billionaire entrepreneur Sir James Dyson has said.
The inventor said the idea that Britain could not trade successfully outside the EU was "absolute cobblers".
He said the single market did not work because exporters had to adapt products like his to cater for different languages and different types of plugs.
Britain Stronger in Europe said: "James Dyson wanted the UK to join the euro. He was wrong then and he is wrong now."
Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, Sir James, who is best known for designing a bagless vacuum cleaner, said the UK "will create more wealth and more jobs by being outside the EU than we will within it".

"When the Remain campaign tells us no-one will trade with us if we leave the EU, sorry, it's absolute cobblers. Our trade imbalance with Europe is running at £9bn a month and rising. If this trend continues, that is £100bn a year."
Sir James argued that if, after a vote to leave, the EU imposed a 10% tariff on UK goods, Britain would do the same on imported EU goods. He said that because Britain imported far more from the EU than it exported there, it would bring in an extra £10bn a year for the UK.

EU referendum: Sir James Dyson says Britain better off out - BBC News

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

The government isn't legally bound to accept the referendum result.

Suicide for the government though - could also see Corbyn being kicked out as Labour leader, a wet dream for Farage. We really do need (& I'm not saying Farage is it) a new ideology at the forefront of the Labour party; Corbyn doesn't look like he's it; very detached from the people on this issue (as are the trade union leadership).

If Corbyn gets behind the leave campaign and sticks with his principles then he has a good chance of winning the respect of the people and a good chance at a general election.

Sadly he appears to be hiding.

The EU has more to lose than the U.K, the whole experiment will crumble as the USSR did if Brexit wins.

Your Crystal ball appears to be working just fine as you obviously posted your comment before this was printed 'EU will disintegrate after referendum' according to UKIP's Nigel Farage | UK | News | Daily Express

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Britain would gain more from leaving the EU than it would lose, billionaire entrepreneur Sir James Dyson has said.
The inventor said the idea that Britain could not trade successfully outside the EU was "absolute cobblers".
He said the single market did not work because exporters had to adapt products like his to cater for different languages and different types of plugs.
Britain Stronger in Europe said: "James Dyson wanted the UK to join the euro. He was wrong then and he is wrong now."
Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, Sir James, who is best known for designing a bagless vacuum cleaner, said the UK "will create more wealth and more jobs by being outside the EU than we will within it".

"When the Remain campaign tells us no-one will trade with us if we leave the EU, sorry, it's absolute cobblers. Our trade imbalance with Europe is running at £9bn a month and rising. If this trend continues, that is £100bn a year."
Sir James argued that if, after a vote to leave, the EU imposed a 10% tariff on UK goods, Britain would do the same on imported EU goods. He said that because Britain imported far more from the EU than it exported there, it would bring in an extra £10bn a year for the UK.

EU referendum: Sir James Dyson says Britain better off out - BBC News

Thanks for the link CCB , but IMHO better than the Dyson link is the Governments own figures kindly posted by PAG in his post 701 , hardly anything to boast about are they ?

Originally Posted by longway

^^ get a grip you drunken old fool, if you weren't so busy posturing and wallowing in your inflated sense of self importance, you could probably find enough information to make a reasonably well informed decision.

Post of the month

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Britain would gain more from leaving the EU than it would lose, billionaire entrepreneur Sir James Dyson has said.
The inventor said the idea that Britain could not trade successfully outside the EU was "absolute cobblers".
He said the single market did not work because exporters had to adapt products like his to cater for different languages and different types of plugs.
Britain Stronger in Europe said: "James Dyson wanted the UK to join the euro. He was wrong then and he is wrong now."
Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, Sir James, who is best known for designing a bagless vacuum cleaner, said the UK "will create more wealth and more jobs by being outside the EU than we will within it".

"When the Remain campaign tells us no-one will trade with us if we leave the EU, sorry, it's absolute cobblers. Our trade imbalance with Europe is running at £9bn a month and rising. If this trend continues, that is £100bn a year."
Sir James argued that if, after a vote to leave, the EU imposed a 10% tariff on UK goods, Britain would do the same on imported EU goods. He said that because Britain imported far more from the EU than it exported there, it would bring in an extra £10bn a year for the UK.

EU referendum: Sir James Dyson says Britain better off out - BBC News

Its not just Dyson ,there are quite a lot of high profile employers who are running huge company's out there who support Brexit here is another EU referendum: JCB chairman tells staff of Brexit support - BBC News JCB employ's 6,500 right here in the UK .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Britain would gain more from leaving the EU than it would lose, billionaire entrepreneur Sir James Dyson has said.
The inventor said the idea that Britain could not trade successfully outside the EU was "absolute cobblers".
He said the single market did not work because exporters had to adapt products like his to cater for different languages and different types of plugs.
Britain Stronger in Europe said: "James Dyson wanted the UK to join the euro. He was wrong then and he is wrong now."
Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, Sir James, who is best known for designing a bagless vacuum cleaner, said the UK "will create more wealth and more jobs by being outside the EU than we will within it".

"When the Remain campaign tells us no-one will trade with us if we leave the EU, sorry, it's absolute cobblers. Our trade imbalance with Europe is running at £9bn a month and rising. If this trend continues, that is £100bn a year."
Sir James argued that if, after a vote to leave, the EU imposed a 10% tariff on UK goods, Britain would do the same on imported EU goods. He said that because Britain imported far more from the EU than it exported there, it would bring in an extra £10bn a year for the UK.

EU referendum: Sir James Dyson says Britain better off out - BBC News

Its not just Dyson ,there are quite a lot of high profile employers who are running huge company's out there who support Brexit here is another EU referendum: JCB chairman tells staff of Brexit support - BBC News JCB employ's 6,500 right here in the UK .

There's hundreds! Not forgetting the CEO of Wetherspoons

250 business leaders back Vote Leave, as new poll shows EU stops entrepreneurs creating jobs - Vote Leave