Thread: Mitt Romney

even republicans don't really like romney.

Republican enthusiasm has declined; only a third of Romney backers says their vote is an expression of support for Romney; and of Romney’s current supporters, fully a quarter (25%) says they would consider voting for Obama.

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Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

This is interesting, Romney seems to be running away from Ryan's world-famous budget now: Cheered by the biggest crowds of his campaign, Republican Mitt Romney declared Sunday that 42-year-old running mate Paul Ryan is ready to be president, but said his own budget plan, not the more detailed proposals of his partner, will be the basis of his White House bid. "I have my budget plan," he said. "And that's the budget plan we're going to run on." Romney Seeks Distance From Ryan's Budget Plans - ABC News That didn't take long..

Don't worry. He'll flip back, then flop for the next audience. That and spewing any lie that works in his favor is the Rethug tactic.

^I don't think it would be out of place for O to point to the neocons advising Mittens and ask the American people if they are in the mood for another war.

Originally Posted by robuzo

^I don't think it would be out of place for O to point to the neocons advising Mittens and ask the American people if they are in the mood for another war.

Another war? Who would you like us to be at war with now, eh?

If memory serves, it's the UN in Afghanistan? That's jolly Old Blighty, Oz & a few other I believe?

I thought Iran was next on the agenda? That's if the Israelis issue orders, of course.

^If John Bolton has anything to say about it , Iran will certainly be the next target.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/13/opinion/the-romney-package.html?_r=1&smid=FB-nytimes&WT.mc_id=OP-E-FB-SM-LIN-TRP-081312-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click

"THE HAWK On foreign policy, Romney has so far largely bypassed his party’s mainstream in favor of advisers with a decidedly neoconservative bent — confrontational, unilateral, with a missionary urge to spread American-style democracy and a particular affinity for Israel’s hard-liners. Romney’s more conventional insiders call it the “Bolton faction,” for John Bolton, among the most hawkish of George W. Bush’s “freedom agenda” interventionists. Bolton is now on the Romney team, but Dan Senor is the one who has Romney’s ear. At 40, he is next-gen Bolton, smoother, TV-savvy, post-cold war in age but cold war in spirit. (He co-founded a think tank with the Soviet-era neocon William Kristol.) Senor helped choreograph Romney’s recent foreign debut, in which the candidate needlessly offended the British and the Palestinians. You might think that gaffe-a-thon would be a career setback, but Senor has survived bigger debacles. He was the spin-doctor for L. Paul Bremer, who, as the American proconsul of post-conquest Iraq, presided over the most highhanded and blundering stage of the occupation. ..."

Originally Posted by Flight19

I thought Iran was next on the agenda? That's if the Israelis issue orders, of course.

Israeli orders along the lines of "Why don't you two guys fight?" Either Mittens really loves him some Israel or he is just kissing Shelly's ass.

Another long drawn out expensive unwinnable war is just what America needs, have these fools not learnt anything?????

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

New Obama panic: Romney crowd sizes


Paul --
I just got this disturbing report: Yesterday's Romney-Ryan rally in North Carolina pulled in an overflow crowd of 15,000 people.
There's no spinning that number. It's a LOT of people, and the Republican base in energized.

Now, now, don't gloat, Booners. The same day, Biden drew a crowd of 660 in Iowa.
Campaign 2012 | C-SPAN

Man Shouts 'Look, No Teleprompter!' At Ryan Event

Notice any difference between Ryan and his opponents yet?

Sometimes it takes a true conservative to point out what a bunch of crackpots the faux-conservatives are. Ryan don't know much about history, and calling him an "intellectual" is more than a bit of a stretch. Can't recommend this article enough (of interest to Brits, too, I should think). Probably best to read this blog post first:
Paul Ryan’s Bad History and Worse Foreign Policy (III) | The American Conservative
Bret Stephens declares Paul Ryan’s Hamilton Society speech to be “one of the most thoughtful speeches in years about America’s global role.” He makes a point of praising Ryan’s grasp of history:

Next there is history. Why can’t the U.S. simply cede the cumbersome role of world policeman to somebody else? Didn’t Britain do as much in the 1940s? It did. Yet, “unlike Britain, which handed leadership to a power that shared its fundamental values, today’s most dynamic and growing powers do not embrace basic principles that should be at the core of the international system.”

Stephens carefully avoids mentioning that the section of the speech just before this was filled with so much historical nonsense that it makes it almost impossible to take anything else Ryan says later on seriously. This was the section in which Ryan claimed that both world wars were the result of American inability to accept the “leadership of the Western world” from Britain in the early 20th century. Ryan said:

At that time, Britain’s governing class took the view that it would be better to cede leadership of the Western world to the United States. Unfortunately, the United States was not yet ready to assume the burden of leadership. The result was 40 years of Great Power rivalry and two World Wars.

There was no single leader of “the Western world” at that time, Britain wasn’t trying to cede its preeminence to the U.S. in the early 20th century, and the book Ryan cites in support of this mangling of history doesn’t back up his argument at all. He followed the above quote with this bit of alarmism: “The stakes are even higher today.” How could the stakes be “even higher” than both world wars? But pay no attention to any of that. Ryan’s speech was very thoughtful.
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Then, for more, the article:
Paul Ryan’s Bad History and Worse Foreign Policy | The American Conservative

Good article. Illustrative of Ryan's wrongheaded thinking (distortions, goofy and intentional) in other areas.

Originally Posted by robuzo

Next there is history. Why can’t the U.S. simply cede the cumbersome role of world policeman to somebody else? Didn’t Britain do as much in the 1940s? It did. Yet, “unlike Britain, which handed leadership to a power that shared its fundamental values, today’s most dynamic and growing powers do not embrace basic principles that should be at the core of the international system.”

If Ryan believes this, somebody should ask him if we should start that process by reducing military spending. He supported the GM bailout because the auto workers in his district vote, so I doubt that he'll want to scare those military industry workers in the other States.

Is Bain trying to torpedo Romney's campaign?

'I'm sick to my stomach': anger builds in Illinois at Bain's latest outsourcing plan | Business | guardian.co.uk

[snips]

But for Bonnie Borman – and 170 other men and women in Freeport, Illinois – there is a brutal twist to the torture. Borman, 52, and the other workers of a soon-to-be-shuttered car parts plant are personally training the Chinese workers who will replace them.
It's a surreal experience, they say. For months they have watched their plant being dismantled and shipped to China, piece by piece, as they show teams of Chinese workers how to do the jobs they have dedicated their lives to.

But, in the midst of the 2012 presidential election, Freeport is different. For Sensata is majority-owned by Bain Capital, the private equity firm once led by Mitt Romney, that has become a hugely controversial symbol of how the modern globalised American economy works. Indeed, Romney still owns millions of dollars of shares in the Bain funds that own Sensata.
So as Sensata strips out costs by sacking American workers in favour of Chinese ones, the value of Romney's own investments could rise, putting money into the pockets of a Republican challenger who has placed job creation in America at the heart of his bid for the White House.

The Freeport workers have appealed to Bain and Romney to save their plant. The local town council, several Illinois politicians and the state's Democratic governor have all rallied to their cause. "This company is competitive globally. They make a profit here. But Bain Capital decided to squeeze it a little further.


Weird that this is coming down in the middle of election season.

If Romney can't convince those running the show to hold off until mid November, which really isn't that far away, then he sucks as a politician or business person.

The graphics are terrible, he stands to make a good profit out of this and he's letting it go through. He has to know that it is going to become a story.

If Romney can't convince those running the show to hold off until mid November, which really isn't that far away, then he sucks as a politician or business person.

The graphics are terrible, he stands to make a good profit out of this and he's letting it go through. He has to know that it is going to become a story.

nothing (of consequence) that romney has done since the primaries makes any practical or political sense.

from not releasing his tax returns to selecting ryan and his toxic budget plan.....it's almost as if he's trying to lose.

Originally Posted by robuzo

. He followed the above quote with this bit of alarmism: “The stakes are even higher today.” How could the stakes be “even higher” than both world wars?

Maybe because if the USA cedes its role as world policeman there will be another great war and this time time around the US won't get out of it unscathed. The next war could see nuclear missiles falling on US soil. I see it as a considerable difference than the prior two world wars, wouldn't you?

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

But for Bonnie Borman – and 170 other men and women in Freeport, Illinois – there is a brutal twist to the torture. Borman, 52, and the other workers of a soon-to-be-shuttered car parts plant are personally training the Chinese workers who will replace them.

It's a surreal experience, they say. For months they have watched their plant being dismantled and shipped to China, piece by piece, as they show teams of Chinese workers how to do the jobs they have dedicated their lives to.

Thanks for posting this. Too bad The Guardian lazily points at Romney. GM’s bottom line drives the parts supplier’s bottom line. GM is forcing parts suppliers to relocate overseas so that GM can cut its costs. The Teamsters who own GM alongside the US government are shutting down Sensata’s US plant. If Sensata doesn't cut its costs The US government and the Teamsters will buy their auto parts elsewhere.

That's the way it was before the takeover. Is there any thing to suggest things have changed? Nothing in The Guardian articles indicates it has.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

tax on arrows

I've gotta check this out. You gotta be kidding. There must be a NB(ow)A who would object.

Indeed there is one.

IBO | International Bowhunting Organization - To Promote, encourage and foster the sport of bowhunting

I think it was a French king who said when it comes to taxes, "You pluck the goose that squawks the least." Not only do you tax in a manner least likely to be noticed but you can tax that item which has no voice or a small voice.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

The video should be titled Democrats use uniformed people to do their lying for them.

Will Democrats educate those people? No way. They are more useful frightened and ignorant.

Ya, Romney left Bain in 1999, but as the commie Guardian notes: "Bain bought the firm that was to become Sensata in 2006, when it was the Texan arm of a Dutch company."
Stretching the truth, again, Dems.

Gotta love the body language in this one.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

When pressed by Morales, Mrs. Romney stood her ground. "We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us,” she said. “There's going to be no more tax releases given." Mrs. Romney said if they release any more information, "it will only give them more ammunition." In regards to their finances, she said "there's nothing we're hiding

Nothing to hide, but afraid of giving ammunition...? Hmmmm. Seems like Mrs. Twit is as unconsciously revealing as her husband when it comes to telling the truth, like when he introduced his running mate Paul Ryan as the "next President of the United States." Seems there's plenty to hide, not the least of which is that Mitt got the message from his neo-con handlers whose agenda is really going to be in charge of a Romney Admin., and it's not Dim Mitt.

Bet those miners above know, too.