Mitt Romney

**Humbert** · 19-09-2012, 09:47 AM

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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20120919,0,2408537.column

**Boon Mee** · 19-09-2012, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax.

But that's just not true.

Link?

You expect me to prove it's NOT true.
You're stating it, how about you provide something (link?) to prove it IS true.

Well, man, if it wern't true you'd expect a storm of Liberal criticism from the loony left by now, dontcha think!

btw, as far as Mitt 'walking back' his comments re the 47%, he's basically doubled-down:

“The president believes in what I’ve described as a government-centered society, where government plays a larger and larger role, provides for more and more of the needs of the individuals,” Romney said in Orange County, Calif. “I happen to believe instead in a free enterprise, free individual society where people pursuing their dreams are able to employ one another, build enterprises, build the strongest economy in the world.”

**Boon Mee** · 19-09-2012, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20120919,0,2408537.column

Which affirms Romney's number:

"The 47% statistic comes from the Tax Policy Center, a project of the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution, which crunched IRS data to get it. TPC's actual finding is that 46.4% of "tax units" — that's IRS filers and non-filers combined — will have zero or negative U.S. income tax liability for 2011. (Romney would have been better advised to say 47% aren't paying income taxes now, rather than that 47% "don't pay taxes," as if that's a permanent condition.)"

It's disingenuous on the part of the LA Times to suggest his number has been 'debunked'...

**Humbert** · 19-09-2012, 09:58 AM

^He's in full damage control mode now. His candidacy is a complete shambles now. Even Peggy Noonan is calling for intervention to try and salvage his disastrous campaign. Fox is spinning on overtime trying to help the hopeless dolt.

**The Big Fella** · 19-09-2012, 10:03 AM

Evidently he has been taped say the Palestinians are a bunch of twats as well. They don't want peace and Israel should just nuke the fcuk out of them or words to that effect. I can't see what all the fuss is about. He is just doing what politicians around the world do. He is telling a bunch of people who he wants money from what they want to hear. They all do it. Tony Blair was a master at it. He doesn't come across to me like he is a world class leader but then neither does Obama. I wouldn't want to be lead by either of them.

**Humbert** · 19-09-2012, 10:04 AM

^^No matter how you try and spin it Booners it was a colossal blunder to label half the voting electorate free loaders. Believe me, many of those 47% were planning to vote Republican. Pretty much time to clutch the St. Jude medallion. Unless Obama develops a terminal illness between now and November he is a shoe in.

**Boon Mee** · 19-09-2012, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

^^No matter how you try and spin it Booners it was a colossal blunder to label half the voting electorate free loaders. Believe me, many of those 47% were planning to vote Republican. Pretty much time to clutch the St. Jude medallion. Unless Obama develops a terminal illness between now and November he is a shoe in.

Since Romney is in the clutches of your liberal press which will try to make a supreme court case out of his speech, the jury is out on whether or not it'll resonate badly with the 47%. Instead, folks should be observing Obama's ME meltdown, unacceptable unemployment figures and the widespread corruption in his administration.

You know, discussion of the 'where's mine' mentality is long overdue.

**Norton** · 19-09-2012, 10:46 AM

No matter how Mitt's campaign tries to spin, Dems have been given another significant issue to attack. The fact Romney said 47% of citizens do not pay tax is not the issue. It is true or close to it. The Dems will certainly make hay of his assertion 47% of the electorate are free loaders expecting the gov to support them.

They next will challenge with "Ok Mitt, what are you going to do to get the 47% to pay tax". Given the great portion of these "freeloaders" are folks retired living on fixed incomes, earning below the non taxable income level, Mitt is screwed. What's his response? Lower the non taxable income to make more folks pay tax.

This will go over as well as a turd in the punch bowl for the significant number of retired voters.

Republicans can blame the media or try to shift the topic of discussion but Mitt has made a major political blunder.

In the first debate, Obama will hammer Mitt on this very issue. Mitts people know this and will spend a great deal of time preparing him for the inevitable. Time wasted when he should be focusing on Obama's performance.

Being on defense is not a good way to start the first debate.

**S Landreth** · 19-09-2012, 02:28 PM

Wonder how many Hispanic votes Dim Mitt will get now that the full tape is out?

Romney told the contributors that "women are open to supporting me," but that "we are having a much harder time with Hispanic voters, and if the Hispanic voting bloc becomes as committed to the Democrats as the African American voting block has in the past, why, we're in trouble as a party and, I think, as a nation."

Anybody donating to Dim Mitt now is just pissing money away: SECRET VIDEO: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters | Mother Jones

Full Transcript of the Mitt Romney Secret Video | Mother Jones

Romney told the contributors that "women are open to supporting me,"

**Boon Mee** · 19-09-2012, 02:39 PM

Hmmm...State Run Media doesn't want to cover the Redistribution of Wealth story but they sure love this 47% 'don't pay taxes'...

Obama wants to Spread Wealth Around.

**Boon Mee** · 19-09-2012, 02:53 PM

State run media ought to be more concerned about the visible meltdown of Obama’s foreign policy, the murder of four Americans in Libya and the administration’s bald-faced lying about same than 'ol Mitt speaking the truth...

**Humbert** · 19-09-2012, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

State run media ought to be more concerned about the visible meltdown of Obama’s foreign policy

What meltdown? Oh you mean not nuking Iran and turning the entire Middle east into an inferno just to buy Israel another six months of nuclear hegemony in the region? Yes, the people sure are clammoring for another costly and disastrous military adventure.

**chassamui** · 19-09-2012, 03:10 PM

Romney is no longer in a position to debate anything. The only way he can limp to a contest now is to claim temporary inanity.
Imagine the damage electing a stupid republican president would do to the country.............. sorry, forgot you tried that already.

**Boon Mee** · 20-09-2012, 04:36 AM

Maybe Romney answer was “inelegant” only because Mother Jones didn’t disclose that part of tape was missing.

Naw...can't be that! State run media would never doctor a tape!

**Boon Mee** · 20-09-2012, 04:47 AM

Heh...then there's this:

The gap in the Romney "secret" video: Corn says "the recording device inadvertently turned off"...

... according to his unnamed source who, he says "noticed this quickly and turned it back one [sic]. The source estimates that one to two minutes, maybe less, of recording was missed."

Really only 2 minutes? You sure it wasn't 18 minutes? Could the name of the source be Rosemary?

These people are soooo transparent!

**Humbert** · 20-09-2012, 06:08 AM

Well, he's had four days to make his comments more 'elegant' but they sound exactly the same.

**Boon Mee** · 20-09-2012, 09:11 AM

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Never complain & never explain...

Mother Jones, the left-wing magazine that released a controversial video of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s remarks to a fundraiser in May, now admits that it has no full tape of what Romney said, and that its video is missing “one to two minutes” at the most important moment...

Calling it Trayvon Time now.

**Humbert** · 20-09-2012, 10:22 AM

^probably switched off during the 'elegant' part.

Inside the bubble the tape is not a problem but the Obama campaign has already crafted some pretty effective ads from it that will play very well in the swing states.

**Cujo** · 20-09-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Never complain & never explain...

Mother Jones, the left-wing magazine that released a controversial video of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s remarks to a fundraiser in May, now admits that it has no full tape of what Romney said, and that its video is missing “one to two minutes” at the most important moment...

Calling it Trayvon Time now.

The point is not what's missing, but what we DID get to hear.
For all you know the missing minutes might contain even more damaging verbiage.

**Humbert** · 20-09-2012, 02:08 PM

The most recent Obama ad using reactions from ordinary people to Mitt's latest blunder.

**barbaro** · 20-09-2012, 02:15 PM

An over-exaggeration by Romney.

There are a lot of people in the US that think 'govt is there to help them.' No doubt.

But as the lady said, "victims?" Not sure on that. Any data?

Romney has a point to some degree, but he oversimplified on the 47%.

So, in sum: stupid statement. Especially during an election campaign.

With mobile phone recorders, etc, anything you say, anywhere.... can be recorded by anyone at anytime.

**sabang** · 21-09-2012, 01:54 PM

Frankly, Romney has surprised me with his stupidity. Whatever he may possess in business brains, he has certainly proved to be lacking in political common sense.

Did it not occur to him that of this 47% of American's not paying federal income tax- whom he is collectively trying to pass off as freeloaders- are two of his most important voting demographics, being retiree's and Vets? What a prize Klutz.

Here, according to Robert Reich, are four reasons Romney may just yet win the election:-

1. Between now and Election Day come two jobs reports from the Bureau of Labor Statistics

2. between now and Election Day are three presidential debates, starting October 3.

3. During the next 7 final weeks of the campaign, the anti-Obama forces will be spending a gigantic amount of money.

4. As they've displayed before, the Republican Party will do whatever it can to win -- even if it means disenfranchising certain voters. To date, 11 states have enacted voter identification laws, all designed by Republican legislatures and governors to dampen Democratic turnout.
Robert Reich: Four Reasons Why Romney Might Still Win

I find it hard to agree. Mitt has crashed and burned without really ever having got off the ground. That takes some doing.

**Boon Mee** · 21-09-2012, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

I find it hard to agree. Mitt has crashed and burned without really ever having got off the ground. That takes some doing.

Guess that's the only conclusion you're going to get if all you read is the HuffPo, eh?

**sabang** · 21-09-2012, 03:08 PM

Such as the Huffpo article "Four Reasons Romney Might Still Win"?

Romney has goofed it, and it's in the press worldwide. It was a hard sell to begin with if you ask me, given the degree the GOP has gone to the Right. You had better hope he is a very good debater.

**Norton** · 21-09-2012, 03:27 PM

Never know which thread to post in. Too many with same subject/theme. Today I'll put it here.

Mitt still has a chance but he will need decisive win in debates, stop the gaffes and communicate a plan of "how" he will fix the economy.

It's the arithmetic based on poll averages from Realpolitics. Presently he is near 5% behind in both Ohio and Virgina. And about 2% behind in Florida.

If Obama wins in Ohio and Virginia as polls now indicate, it's game over.

Mitt has a chance but he needs home runs in all he does for the next 6 weeks.

Big hill to climb. Can Mitt pull it off?

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