Thread: Mitt Romney

Originally Posted by MrG

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Please cite Obama's lies about Romney.

Too innumerable to list but let's just cite this latest one where the Indonesian Imbecile claims Romney killed a wife of a guy who was laid off from Bain Capitol. It's so an outrageous lie, even CNN has called him on it.

It shouldn't be this way, and it is highly regrettable. But if the USA is to have a functional government after the next elections, the Dem's will need a majority in Congress as well as the Presidency- which while possible, is optimistic. The fault for this lies with the GOP and their petulant, serial obstructionism. My how they have changed from the days they deserved to be called republican.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

The more the far right-wing finds out about Dim Mitt I am sure they will come to love him even more.

Got that right!

And you know why? Because he's not b. Hussein Obama.

btw, did you know that there are more folks living in poverty now under Obama than at any time in America? That's right...

Originally Posted by sabang

It shouldn't be this way, and it is highly regrettable. But if the USA is to have a functional government after the next elections, the Dem's will need a majority in Congress as well as the Presidency- which while possible, is optimistic. The fault for this lies with the GOP and their petulant, serial obstructionism. My how they have changed from the days they deserved to be called republican.

The fault lies with the electorate. There is a real schism in America, as evidenced by the divisions among the American posters on this forum, between those that feel that America is about teamwork, cooperation and joining together for the common good and those who define Americanism as about individualism, narrow selfish interests and seeking to deny the government responsiblities that improve the quality of civilization for all.

Originally Posted by sabang

It shouldn't be this way, and it is highly regrettable. But if the USA is to have a functional government after the next elections, the Dem's will need a majority in Congress as well as the Presidency- which while possible, is optimistic.

Probably way too optimistic, IMO.

The Republican money/power brokers are also focusing on local elections to take more congressional seats. If they see that Romney is going to lose they will go at it all that much harder. Awash in money, they will also concentrate on 2014 Congressional elections, further crippling any progress Obama can make for the country.

As Humbert observed, it is the American electorate who have to decide, and they have not always been too reliable to look after their own interests. Worrisome.
I repeat: sometimes I feel like I'm riding in the same historical vortex as the Weimar Republic.

It is a bit of a logical conundrum actually- those "Amerka, fuck yeh" types are prominent in the right wing of the GOP yet when the shit hits the fan, they do not sound proudly American at all- nope, now it's every man for himself, Amerka be damned. They are not even willing to make a serious effort to pay down the massive debts they have landed their nations next generation with, worse than that they actually want to downgrade the same education and other government services they themselves benefited from. Truly the 'gimme gimme' generation.

^^The conundrum is that the right seeks to define the opposition as anti-business, pro-union, pro-muslim, pro hand-out etc. They are intent upon characterizing the opposition in terms of ideological extremes. The issues become secondary to ideology. They know that these emotional arguments resonate at the level of local contituencies. That is why people like Michelle Bachmann are elected and hold on to office but could never succeed on a national political level. The will of the electorate at a local level has tipped the scales of the house of representatives to the right thereby effectively blocking any progress or compromise on important issues.

^^The hilarious thing about that is that boasting about what was perhaps Mittens' biggest policy win winds up being considered a gaffe. Poor Mittens, has to run against O and himself.

Originally Posted by Humbert

The issues become secondary to ideology.

They do do they? Double-digit unemployment. More folks on Food Stamps etc., etc. are just ideological issues are they?

Originally Posted by sabang

It is a bit of a logical conundrum actually- those "Amerka, fuck yeh" types are prominent in the right wing of the GOP yet when the shit hits the fan, they do not sound proudly American at all- nope, now it's every man for himself, Amerka be damned. They are not even willing to make a serious effort to pay down the massive debts they have landed their nations next generation with, worse than that they actually want to downgrade the same education and other government services they themselves benefited from. Truly the 'gimme gimme' generation.

It is a conundrum, rationalized by the "elites" by the trickle down economics myth, which the working stiffs buy into. Having been softened up by the Obama-is-a-Muslim-socialist-fascist-commie-who-was-born-in-Kenya-and-wants-to-steal-your-babies, they think they are doing right by America. The elites don't care: corporations are the powers who have their allegiance...a conveniently transferable allegiance, no matter what country you're in.

I can only hope that enough working stiffs have seen through the circular, non-sense rhetoric of the Right that offers nothing for them but worse ecomonic success for themselves and their kids. On a national level, you may get enough Americans to elect Obama. On a local level the true believers tend to cluster and can be picked off more easily.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

btw, did you know that there are more folks living in poverty now under Obama than at any time in America?

And who do you think put us on that pathway there?

It’s gonna take a while to clean up their mess.

Originally Posted by Norton

Several. The Obama campaign's negative attacks on Romney related to his role at Bain are if not lies are innuendo he is unfit to be President even though Romney had little to do with the Bain behavior in question. Everything from blaming Romney for the current unemployment to playing an instrumental role in the current economic situation. The latest being Romney is personally responsible for the death of a woman because Bain shut down a plant.

That ad was put out by a super pac, not Obama's campaign.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Mitt has...

He has, indeed- in fact he is a fitting poster boy for the business generation that enriched themselves with financial machinations, whilst shipping jobs wholesale offshore and paying a pathetically low rate of tax to the US government that was landed with the welfare cheques resulting from their activities. Most people think the bubble burst in 2008, but in fact it was before that.

A political party that only takes care of and considers the interests of Big business and the already Rich, whilst deliberately indebting and hence incapacitating the federal government, deserves no respect. Mitt is indeed a fitting poster child.

How many times have you heard the "Republican" party admit the bleedin' obvious- that they were tragically wrong? From where I sit, it is very surprising that they are even in this race at all. It's sizable rump of staunch supporters are now complaining about the negative campaign tactics (and they are right), but they made it mainstream. "As ye sow".

Truth be told, how can the GOP actually campaign on the Issue's, given their parlous record and serial Denial?

Originally Posted by Humbert

That ad was put out by a super pac, not Obama's campaign.

Yes, I know. The "Obama Campaign" denies any association with the super pac. Sure, I believe that.

Originally Posted by sabang

From where I sit, it is very surprising that they are even in this race at all.

If they weren't there would be no race. Dems and Republicans are the only game in town.

This one was put out by the Romney campaign.

"WASHINGTON -- Newt Gingrich admitted Wednesday evening that Mitt Romney's presidential campaign has no evidence the Obama administration dropped work requirements from the nation's welfare law, contradicting a Romney TV ad released a day earlier.
"We have no proof today, but I would say to you under Obama’s ideology it is absolutely true that he would be comfortable sending a lot of people checks for doing nothing," Gingrich told CNN's Anderson Cooper. "I believe that totally."
The Romney campaign on Tuesday released a TV ad claiming President Barack Obama "gutted" the 1996 welfare reform law, which changed welfare from a federal entitlement to a program run by states within federal rules...."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/newt-gingrich-romney-welfare_n_1758461.html

Originally Posted by Humbert

Newt Gingrich admitted Wednesday evening that Mitt Romney's presidential campaign has no evidence the Obama administration dropped work requirements from the nation's welfare law, contradicting a Romney TV ad released a day earlier. "We have no proof

they have no proof, because there is no proof.....it's simply not true.

but that won't stop the romney campaign and its surrogates from repeating it.

i read an article recently that said the romney campaign was concerned that its numbers had flatlined with low income whites in ohio ........ and now we have the romney campaign resorting to this sort of race baiting.

expect a strong push back from the obama campaign on this lie.

Originally Posted by raycarey

when you consider the fact that romney has been on (at least) both sides of nearly every issue, it's probably hard for his spokespeople to remember where he is on the issue this week.

Since Romney is on record as saying he likes to be able to fire people who provide services to him perhaps his campaign staff view being hopelessly incompetent as some sort of job security.

All the attack ads I have seen coming from Obama's side have been real and justified. They may sensationalize a bit but are for the most part true. The right would like to divide and destroy America. It is under their pathetic watch that Americans have been spoon fed failed economic theories. Americans have much to their own ignorance watched their hard earned dollar be taken from their hands and put into the greedy Mitts of the corpo-rapist oligarchy.

So vote in the vacant American political system because nothing much will change. If you are a rich, racist, pasty faced mother fucker than you will vote for Mitt. If you are someone that still is fighting for a new world then you will vote for Obama. He is the finger in the leak until something better comes along.

A great post here;

If there’s one thing our society needs more of, it’s teenagers speaking out on political issues. Bill Maher, in his final New Rule of the night, pointed to two instances where conservatives went through teenage vessels to spread their message and observed that the young voices sounded much like the old ones. Maher found this somewhat discouraging for conservatives, because, as he put it, that would mean their political arguments make them sound like teenagers.

RELATED: Teen Radio Show Host Blames Obama For ‘Sickening’ Gay People: ‘Homosexuality Is A Belief’

Maher introduced his audience to Caiden Cowger, a fourteen-year-old conservative with his own radio show. Cowger got some national attention this month for accusing President Obama and Vice President Biden of “making kids gay.” Maher couldn’t get over the fact how much this teenager sounds like Rush Limbaugh. Maher also reminded viewers about Jonathan Krohn, the young teenager who spoke at CPAC a few years ago.

Maher said he understands that all teenagers can be assholes at one time or another in this important phase in their lives, mostly where politics aren’t concerned, so he saved his comments for adults in the conservative movement enabling kids like Cowger and Krohn.

“When 14-year-old boys sound exactly like you do and can produce radio shows and books and speeches that sound exactly like yours, maybe you should rethink the shit that comes out of your mouth.

“Remember the Republican debates we had this year? They applauded for the idea of letting a sick man without insurance die. Herman Cain got cheers for saying he’d electrify the border fence. They booed a gay man serving his country in the military. No wonder 14-year-old boys can do your act, you act exactly like 14-year-old boys. There’s no ideology here. It’s just about being a dick.”

In summation, Maher ended by explaining just how easy it would be for a teenager to host Limbaugh’s Sean Hannity‘s shows: “Step one, be a giant dick. Step two, there is no step two.”

Watch the video below, courtesy of HBO:

Bill Maher’s New Rule To Conservatives: ‘You Act Exactly Like 14-Year-Old Boys’ | Mediaite

Originally Posted by Humbert

The Romney campaign on Tuesday released a TV ad claiming President Barack Obama "gutted" the 1996 welfare reform law, which changed welfare from a federal entitlement to a program run by states within federal rules...."

Don't know what your definition of 'gutted' is but that's what indeed Obama has done: "But now, under the guise of providing states greater “flexibility” in operating their welfare programs, the Obama administration claims unjustifiable authority to weaken or waive the work requirements at the heart of the reform law. There’s just one problem: The law is clear that those requirements can’t be waived."

It gets a bit convoluted so go here for an objective explaination. Bottom line, looks like the work requirement clause will be going to court.

So, in other words, the ad where Romney says 'gutted' is correct as it stands.

^ Refer to the above post about living in a bubble. You choose not to deal with reality. Watch the video all the way through.