Mitt Romney

**Boon Mee** · 03-08-2012, 05:57 AM

Getting back to the main topic of electability of Mitt Romney we see that Dick Morris is claiming

'Clinton Is Going To Cast His Ballot For Mitt Romney.'

The Bro Gotta Go

We all recognize the political acumen Dick Morris possesses so I wouldn't discount this prognostication there, Moonbats!

**sabang** · 03-08-2012, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by attaboy

It's been three years with him at the helm.

Approaching four years actually, immediately preceded by the worst economic crash since 1929, which triggered the Great Depression, and preceded by a Potus who turned the USA from the worlds largest creditor nation, to the worlds largest debtor. The average American, who saw no benefit at all from this heist, asks himself- where did all that money go?

It took the USA years- basically a decade- to shake off the effects of the Wall St Crash of 1929. You can't just shake a stick at years of financial mismanagement and government profligacy, and wish it away. This financial Hangover will linger for a while yet, and that much is true whether it is a Dem or Repub at the helm.

**MrG** · 03-08-2012, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by barbaro

Yes, they do work - and that is what I do not like - they are distortions.

I'm not defending negative ads, but in what way was Obama's latest ad a distortion?
The facts were laid out there for all to see. But they are facts, not distortions. If Team Romney has a different take on them or finds some distortion, let them put it out there. But this ad presents facts that were determined by an objective, reputable organizion about the consequences of Romney's plan for America. Nothing distorted about it.

**S Landreth** · 03-08-2012, 06:58 AM

let's look how Mitt the Twit is doing,........

Where things stand today. Taken from a right wing website. Rasmussen is crap (and shouldn’t be calculated in) evident from the other polls.: RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama

These are national polls, but in the swing states (where it matters) Dim Mitt isn't doing as well.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by sabang

Obama is currently firm favorite to be a two term Potus.

If you keep reading the Lamestream Media Polls mebe. According to most objective polling (

), it's a dead-heat with Romney beginning to pull ahead.

and this just in,...........

Less than four weeks before Mitt Romney formally becomes the GOP presidential nominee, a majority of Americans view him unfavorably, according to a new Pew Research Center poll released on Thursday.

The poll also shows Romney trailing President Obama by a 10-point margin, the largest deficit Romney has faced in Pew's polling since virtually clinching the GOP nomination this spring.

Obama leads Romney in the poll, 51 percent to 41 percent, with 2 percent preferring another candidate and 5 percent undecided. Obama's share of the vote is the largest he has recorded since a March Pew poll, while Romney finds himself at a new low-water mark, going all the way back to last October, when Pew began testing the two candidates head-to-head.

link: Romney’s Personal Image Remains Negative | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Romney beginning to pull ahead.

**sabang** · 03-08-2012, 07:15 AM

Knock, knock. Hello Mitt, are you there, are you with us? I'm speaking from Asia Pacific, have you heard of us? Y'know, the two most populous nations in the world are here, the fastest growing economies in the world are here, the largest Islamic population, actually over half of the worlds population are here. We finance your huge government debt, too. Yes, thats right, us- the Gooks, Nips, Chinks and Currymunchers (oh, and your loyal to the point of dementia Aussie allies- y'know, Croc Dundee and his fosters swilling mates). Apparently, we don't exist in the Mittworld

.

The view from Australia:-

Cold War view shows Romney suffers Asia-Pacific blind spot

Romney recently embarked on a six-day trip through London, Poland, and Israel to burnish his foreign policy credentials.
Despite campaigning for the presidency for the better part of five years, Romney remains a foreign policy cipher. Before flying to London, he delivered only his second major foreign policy speech since announcing his 2012 candidacy in June last year. The first address, in October, came when he was trying to capture the Republican nomination.

The tone of both speeches was remarkably similar. They were littered with paeans to American exceptionalism and calls for an ''American century''. In neither speech did Romney discuss Asia. China received scant attention; in October, Romney solemnly intoned that China possessed "hidden and emerging aspirations", although he did not try to parse that linguistic inconsistency. This time around, Romney restricted his criticisms to Beijing's trade and domestic policies. No mention was made of the broader strategic implications of an ascending China.

Romney devoted more time last week to Russia, which is proving to be a nuisance to US interests in the Middle East but is hardly a peer competitor, than to addressing the consequences of the profound shifts in power under way in the Asia-Pacific region.
The last nine months have revealed that when Romney does think about foreign policy, Moscow is usually at the forefront. In a March interview with CNN, Romney declared that Russia is "without question our number one geopolitical foe". The next day, Romney argued in an op-ed that Obama had "capitulated" to Russia at the United Nations and "abandoned" a missile defence site in Poland "without extracting meaningful concessions from the Russians".

This Cold War mentality is a stark reminder of Romney's distinct lack of interest in, and understanding of, the Asia-Pacific region.

Read more: Cold War view shows Romney suffers Asia-Pacific blind spot

The last thing the US needs on the international stage is another chickenhawk Cold Warrior. Get with the plot Mitt, the Soviet 'menace' is so last century.

**Mr Lick** · 03-08-2012, 08:03 AM

It is common knowledge outside the US that for Romney to become President in November, 90% of the electorate would simply need to know zero/zilch about politics and/or credibilty so apparently he's still in with a very good chance

**Boon Mee** · 03-08-2012, 09:09 AM

Mitt Romney: It’s Time for Harry Reid to “Put Up or Shut Up”

Mitt Romney slammed Democrat Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) on his false claims on Romney’s tax returns.

Romney also told Sean Hannity the Obama White House is likely behind the allegations.

Mitt Romney on Thursday said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) needs to “put up or shut up” when it comes to charges the presumptive GOP nominee did not pay his taxes.
Romney also accused the White House of being behind the allegation.
“It’s time for Harry to put up or shut up,” Romney said on Sean Hannity’s radio show. “Harry’s going to have to describe who it is he spoke with because that’s totally and completely wrong. It’s untrue, dishonest and inaccurate. It’s wrong. So I’m looking forward to have Harry reveal his sources and we’ll probably find out it’s the White House.”

So much for Obama's promise not to run a dirty campaign, eh?

The Bro Gotta Go

**raycarey** · 03-08-2012, 10:40 AM

i've been thinking about romney's stonewalling on the tax issue, and what he might be up to.

one school of thought is that there's something included in those returns (particularly 2009) which would be very embarrassing to his campaign, and he's made the political calculation that he'd rather take the heat for not releasing the returns because the scorn he would take for what's in them is much worse.

i find this theory to be highly plausible.

but here is what i was thinking about today......what if there's actually nothing truly embarrassing in the 2009 return?

and what if romney is purposefully letting the obama campaign get so far out in front of this tax issue (see harry reid's recent comments), and then he releases them in mid to late october and there's nothing amiss in return?

it would make romney look like a principled victim and the president like a misinformed bully. it would cause a media circus which could change a lot of independent votes in swing states.

of course this is just a theory (and rovian at that), but i thought i'd put it out there.

**robuzo** · 03-08-2012, 10:55 AM

^Don't think so. If you look at Romney's campaigning history, tax issues- how much he paid, where he actually resided- are a leitmotif. It's a little bit hard to see how the Thug establishment didn't see this coming. Then again, looking at his "serious" competition in the primaries it seems they didn't have much choice but to nominate a deeply flawed candidate.

**harrybarracuda** · 03-08-2012, 11:00 AM

I think the ones they are interested are the ones from before he declared any interest in running for President. You know, the ones where he probably knew (or had been told) he wasn't under scrutiny.

And my guess is they'd make bad reading.

This means pre-2008.

**raycarey** · 03-08-2012, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

This means pre-2008.

maybe.

but mccain's people saw all those returns when he was vetted for VP in '08, and they've since been very direct when questioned about the content of those returns by saying there wasn't an issue with them.

of course they might be lying, but i can't imagine that they would have stated it so plainly...especially because most of them are working in the media now.....they'd essentially be lying to their colleagues....which would be the end of their careers.

**harrybarracuda** · 03-08-2012, 11:21 AM

You have to remember lying comes very easily to politicians, that's generally how they get elected....

**barbaro** · 03-08-2012, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Dick Morris is claiming

Dick Morris was a great pollster. Was.

He's lost a lot of credibility as a "pundit" over the years and especially after his thick books which are full of citations from the NY TIMES.

He caters to the Faux News crowd.

He's a has been.

**Norton** · 03-08-2012, 12:35 PM

Romney's dancing horse finished 13th.

"Ann Romney "was absolutely ecstatic" after Rafalca, a German-bred mare, placed 13th among 25 horses that appeared Thursday, said Kenneth Braddick, a family acquaintance"

Oh my. Wonder what she will say when Mitt wins a silver in the Presidential race.

Perhaps "absolutely orgasmic"?

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationw...rafalca03.html

**Boon Mee** · 03-08-2012, 12:58 PM

^
Do not feed the troll

It's come to this:

Jon Stewart tells Harry Reid to ‘shut up’ after ‘bullsh*t’ shot on Mitt Romney.

Reid’s probably just trying to distract people from those spreading pederasty rumors.

**slackula** · 03-08-2012, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

and what if romney is purposefully letting the obama campaign get so far out in front of this tax issue (see harry reid's recent comments), and then he releases them in mid to late october and there's nothing amiss in return?

If Romney is doing that then it's very good politics, something his campaign hasn't done very well so far but it would be funny to see a well oiled machine like Obama's get tripped up by something like that. It's basically what they did to the birthers.

Romney's probably made use of every single legal thing he can to reduce his taxes and knows that coming clean will alienate many voters.

Otherwise perhaps Romney has under-tithed to his church? As I understand it that is a pretty big deal with Mormons, they ostracise people who do that and make a big noise about it.

**buriramboy** · 03-08-2012, 02:34 PM

Why the continued obsession with this non event, every man and his dog knows Obama is going to win, even the Republicans hence they nominated Romney just so they had a name on the ballot paper. Does show the decline in support for the Republican party though when the US economy is in the state that it is and the dude who has been running the show for the best part of the last 4 years is going to get re elected and probably by a lot wider margin than many are expecting.

**raycarey** · 03-08-2012, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Otherwise perhaps Romney has under-tithed to his church?

yes!

i was thinking about that the other day.

he (and his wife) have made quite a big deal about this....i wonder if the people of SLC are wondering the same thing.

something is just so strange about this tax issue.....it's such an easy target for the obama campaign, and it's just not going to go away.....romney HAS TO know this.

**raycarey** · 03-08-2012, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

every man and his dog knows Obama is going to win,

i see your point, but i don't know that president obama is going to win. today it appears as if he will and i hope he does, but i definitely don't know it.

TBH, i don't think anyone knows because of citizens united. there are hundreds of millions of dollars in dark money (no one knows who donated it) sloshing around in super PAC bank accounts. how anyone can say they're sure how this is going to turn out is beyond me.

i liken it to the commissioner of the NFL saying just before kickoff of the superbowl that both teams can smoke crack at halftime......how is that going to final score?

i have absolutely no idea....but it will be interesting to watch.

**slackula** · 03-08-2012, 08:48 PM

In Mitt's defence he has helped decrease unemployment in China, India and Mexico and has supported financial institutions in Bermuda, The Caymen Islands and Switzerland.

**attaboy** · 04-08-2012, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by attaboy

It's been three years with him at the helm.

Approaching four years actually, immediately preceded by the worst economic crash since 1929, which triggered the Great Depression, and preceded by a Potus who turned the USA from the worlds largest creditor nation, to the worlds largest debtor. The average American, who saw no benefit at all from this heist, asks himself- where did all that money go?

It took the USA years- basically a decade- to shake off the effects of the Wall St Crash of 1929. You can't just shake a stick at years of financial mismanagement and government profligacy, and wish it away. This financial Hangover will linger for a while yet, and that much is true whether it is a Dem or Repub at the helm.

I can't argue that. With the housing anchor along with the EU and China slowdown, the US economy is going to take 10 to 15 years to get back to Bush bubble years. The Bush Bubble was a fake economy to begin with so to climb back to those levels will take quite a long time. My point is that an academic know-it-all who is actually a sheltered neophyte confidently stuck his chin out and assured us he knew excatly what he was talking about.

"Understand where the vision for change comes from, first and foremost," Obama said. "It comes from me. That's my job, is to provide a vision in terms of where we are going, and to make sure, then, that my team is implementing."

Don't you think with bravado like that he deserves the credit for the last 4 years of 8% unemployment? He did assure us it would be at 6.5% by now. He didn't reduce the deficit like he said he would either.

Originally Posted by attaboy

an incumbent running in a tough economic climate

That's kind of a passive way of explaining how things are. It's been three years with him at the helm. He confidently stuck his chin out and said because of his measures unemployment would not rise above 8%. He promised because of the steps he took he'd cut the deficit in half.

He made it a point that he is in charge.

"Understand where the vision for change comes from, first and foremost," Obama said. "It comes from me. That's my job, is to provide a vision in terms of where we are going, and to make sure, then, that my team is implementing."

Obama: Change 'comes from me,' not his appointees | McClatchy

When someone says something like that. They deserve all the credit.

**Norton** · 04-08-2012, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by attaboy

the US economy is going to take 10 to 15 years to get back to Bush bubble years. The Bush Bubble was a fake economy to begin with so to climb back to those levels will take quite a long time.

Looking forward to another bubble economy. Good chance you are right unless drastic behavior changes are made in public, business and government economic practices. Lessons learned now will be well forgotten in a few years. Expect history will repeat itself.

**S Landreth** · 04-08-2012, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by attaboy

"Understand where the vision for change comes from, first and foremost," Obama said. "It comes from me. That's my job, is to provide a vision in terms of where we are going, and to make sure, then, that my team is implementing."

Don't you think with bravado like that he deserves the credit for the last 4 years of 8% unemployment? He did assure us it would be at 6.5% by now. He didn't reduce the deficit like he said he would either.

what don't you understand about this?

**barbaro** · 04-08-2012, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

TBH, i don't think anyone knows because of citizens united. there are hundreds of millions of dollars in dark money (no one knows who donated it) sloshing around in super PAC bank accounts. how anyone can say they're sure how this is going to turn out is beyond me.

More background on Citizens United that Ray has aptly noted. This organization was also in a court case about its operations and the first amendment.

Citizens United (organization)
Citizens United

Motto : Dedicated to restoring our government to citizen control.
Formation 1988
Type Non-profit
Headquarters Washington, DC
President, Chairman David Bossie
Website Citizens United : Dedicated to restoring our government to citizen control.

Citizens United is a conservative non-profit organization in the United States. Its president and chairman is David Bossie. It is best known for the U.S. Supreme Court case on campaign finance Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission.

Citizens United describes its mission as being dedicated to restoring the United States government to "citizens' control" and to "assert American values of limited government, freedom of enterprise, strong families, and national sovereignty and security." To fulfill this mission, Citizens United undertakes various educational projects, including television advertising and feature-length documentaries.[1]

Citizens United was founded in 1988. David Bossie has been its president since 2000. Its offices are on Pennsylvania Avenue in the Capitol Hill area of Washington, D.C. The associated Citizens United Foundation is a tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization.
[edit]Advocacy

Citizens United is known for supporting conservative causes. The group produced a television advertisement that reveals several "surprisingly liberal" legislative actions taken by John McCain,[2] which aired on Fox News Channel.[3] On October 2, 2006, in reaction to revelations of a GOP cover-up of inappropriate communications between Congressman Mark Foley and teenage pages, Citizens United president David Bossie called on Dennis Hastert to resign over his role in covering up the scandal.[4]

Entire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen..._(organization)

**attaboy** · 04-08-2012, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by attaboy

the US economy is going to take 10 to 15 years to get back to Bush bubble years. The Bush Bubble was a fake economy to begin with so to climb back to those levels will take quite a long time.

Looking forward to another bubble economy. Good chance you are right unless drastic behavior changes are made in public, business and government economic practices. Lessons learned now will be well forgotten in a few years. Expect history will repeat itself.

I fear you may be right. In the rush to recover the government and I should point to specific people, Obama, Geithner, (feel free to add to the list) are allowing and encouraging gambling banks to be larger and more influential then ever before.

How long will it take for the investment banks to begin buying up solid real banks in order to shore up their out of whack balance sheets? They have done it before what keeps them from doing it again? Swallowing up the healthy to alleviate the symptons of the abusive sick.

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