Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Did anyone else see the plea from Al Qaeda to IS not to cut any more heads off?

This is getting insane. All these western (mostly US) tax dollars funding all these terrorists whilst at the same time fighting them. Absolutely criminally insane. Are you all believing the bullshit obama is spouting still???????????????????????????


So to get this straight....

US funds Osama to fight the commies.

Osama says thanks, and then (if we are to believe the US) creates Al Qaeda whose claim to fame is to allegedly send some planes into the WTC.

The US then unilaterally declares war on Afghanistan and Iraq who have nothing to do with Osama of Al Qaeda.

Incensed by this open attack on their countries, resistance movements start and are swiftly joined by other groups of terrorists.

As they build up their strength, these terrorists start to threaten strategic targets that the US want toppling, so the US starts arming and funding them especially against Syria knowing it will wind up Iran, knowing that they are arming, training and funding the same people again who flew the planes into WTC.

They then become very big and powerful and really start to threaten the friendly countries (aka countries that have already had their enforced regime changes from the US or countries that are despotic hard line nasty koonts that the US like) so the US says they are now only arming and funding NICE TERRORISTS because they think we are all koonts.

The NICE TERRORISTS, who are, ummmm, terrorists, are part and parcel of the NASTY TERRORISTS called ISIS (not the illuminati-esque name of ISIS by the way) and hand over yanks and brits to the ISIS to have their heads cut off to get everyone on CNN scared and to back another war against them.... with the help of Al QAEDA.... and IRAN.


....or something like that. THis is fucking mental and most of the mainsteam media sheep (yes, thats most of you lot) and slurping this all down, accepting in, and thinking it is logical.

Insanity. Absolute insantiy.

Oi..! Don't start getting logical, this is the 9/11 thread.!!

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Did anyone else see the plea from Al Qaeda to IS not to cut any more heads off?

This is getting insane. All these western (mostly US) tax dollars funding all these terrorists whilst at the same time fighting them. Absolutely criminally insane. Are you all believing the bullshit obama is spouting still???????????????????????????


So to get this straight....

US funds Osama to fight the commies.

Osama says thanks, and then (if we are to believe the US) creates Al Qaeda whose claim to fame is to allegedly send some planes into the WTC.

The US then unilaterally declares war on Afghanistan and Iraq who have nothing to do with Osama of Al Qaeda.

Incensed by this open attack on their countries, resistance movements start and are swiftly joined by other groups of terrorists.

As they build up their strength, these terrorists start to threaten strategic targets that the US want toppling, so the US starts arming and funding them especially against Syria knowing it will wind up Iran, knowing that they are arming, training and funding the same people again who flew the planes into WTC.

They then become very big and powerful and really start to threaten the friendly countries (aka countries that have already had their enforced regime changes from the US or countries that are despotic hard line nasty koonts that the US like) so the US says they are now only arming and funding NICE TERRORISTS because they think we are all koonts.

The NICE TERRORISTS, who are, ummmm, terrorists, are part and parcel of the NASTY TERRORISTS called ISIS (not the illuminati-esque name of ISIS by the way) and hand over yanks and brits to the ISIS to have their heads cut off to get everyone on CNN scared and to back another war against them.... with the help of Al QAEDA.... and IRAN.


....or something like that. THis is fucking mental and most of the mainsteam media sheep (yes, thats most of you lot) and slurping this all down, accepting in, and thinking it is logical.

Insanity. Absolute insantiy.

It has gone beyond a joke.

Saudi are now being nice to Iran, who are fighting the terrorists Saudi funded and of whom they are now shit scared because they've lost control of them.

This testimony I have watched live when the 9/11 Commission was broadcasted. However, missing in the Commission Report.

Norman Mineta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During the September 11, 2001 attacks, Mineta issued an order to ground all civilian aircraft traffic for the first time in U.S. history.
Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission about his experience in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with Vice President Cheney as American Airlines flight 77 approached the Pentagon was not included in the 9/11 Commission Report.[ In one colloquy testified by Mineta, the vice president refers to orders concerning the plane approaching the Pentagon:

There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, 'The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant.

It's been covered before, but Harrybalaclava will be along soon to ridicule you.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

It's been covered before, but Harrybalaclava will be along soon to ridicule you.

I don't think they've ever hidden the fact that the planes would have been shot down if they hadn't crashed. So fuck knows what that shit is supposed to mean.

"The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert, if they wouldn't pay any attention to instructions to move away from the city, as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out," Vice President Dick Cheney told NBC's "Meet the Press" program Sunday.

and it was very obvious:

You acknowledged to us in your interview of February 7, 2004, that Richard Clarke told you that al Qaeda cells were in the United States.
BEN-VENISTE: Did you tell the president, at any time prior to August 6, of the existence of al Qaeda cells in the United States?
RICE: First, let me just make certain...
BEN-VENISTE: If you could just answer that question, because I only have a very limited...
RICE: I understand, Commissioner, but it's important...
BEN-VENISTE: Did you tell the president...
RICE: ... that I also address...
It's also important that, Commissioner, that I address the other issues that you have raised. So I will do it quickly, but if you'll just give me a moment.
BEN-VENISTE: Well, my only question to you is whether you...
RICE: I understand, Commissioner, but I will...
BEN-VENISTE: ... told the president.
RICE: If you'll just give me a moment, I will address fully the questions that you've asked.
First of all, yes, the August 6 PDB was in response to questions of the president -- and that since he asked that this be done. It was not a particular threat report. And there was historical information in there about various aspects of al Qaeda's operations.
Dick Clarke had told me, I think in a memorandum -- I remember it as being only a line or two -- that there were al Qaeda cells in the United States.
Now, the question is, what did we need to do about that?
And I also understood that that was what the FBI was doing, that the FBI was pursuing these al Qaeda cells. I believe in the August 6 memorandum it says that there were 70 full field investigations under way of these cells. And so there was no recommendation that we do something about this; the FBI was pursuing it. I really don't remember, Commissioner, whether I discussed this with the president.
BEN-VENISTE: Thank you.
RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don't remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.
BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?
RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."
Now, the...
BEN-VENISTE: Thank you.

RICE: No, Mr. Ben-Veniste...
BEN-VENISTE: I will get into the...
RICE: I would like to finish my point here.
BEN-VENISTE: I didn't know there was a point.
RICE: Given that -- you asked me whether or not it warned of attacks.
BEN-VENISTE: I asked you what the title was.
RICE: You said, did it not warn of attacks. It did not warn of attacks inside the United States. It was historical information based on old reporting. There was no new threat information. And it did not, in fact, warn of any coming attacks inside the United States.
BEN-VENISTE: Now, you knew by August 2001 of al Qaeda involvement in the first World Trade Center bombing, is that correct? You knew that in 1999, late '99, in the millennium threat period, that we had thwarted an al Qaeda attempt to blow up Los Angeles International Airport and thwarted cells operating in Brooklyn, New York, and Boston, Massachusetts.
As of the August 6 briefing, you learned that al Qaeda members have resided or traveled to the United States for years and maintained a support system in the United States.
And you learned that FBI information since the 1998 blind sheikh warning of hijackings to free the blind sheikh indicated a pattern of suspicious activity in the country up until August 6 consistent with preparation for hijackings. Isn't that so?
RICE: Do you have other questions that you want me to answer as a part of the sequence?

CNN.com - Transcript of Rice's 9/11 commission statement - Apr 8, 2004

Funny how nobody involved in any of this was ever found guilty of any wrong doing or even of negligence. Hell Bush was elected for a 2nd term FFS!

That is because they control the dumb peasants, and have the power to get away with it.
One of the ironies since the first Iraq invasion 2003 is that the citizens of the U.S.A. have no imagination of how they would react if an Iraqi army occupied them.
Rick Thai would say Sonti

BBC reported that building 7 collapsed 20 minutes before it collapsed, while the building was still standing and visible over the left shoulder of the reporter while she said it.


Within hours of the collapse of towers 1&2, the media showed passenger manifests for all the flights and all of them were missing the names of the 19 hijackers. 19 people who checked in under their own names. 19 people who weren't identified as suspects yet. It's not like they snuck on board and hid the toilet. Why weren't their names on the lists broadcast on TV? They were all on the official airline passenger manifests.

I also thought it was odd that a military exercise was going on in the same area, at the same time simulating their response to hijackers flying passenger jets into skyscrapers. But that was probably just a coincidence.

^ These guys never give up.

Originally Posted by Your name here

BBC reported that building 7 collapsed 20 minutes before it collapsed, while the building was still standing and visible over the left shoulder of the reporter while she said it.

You haven't worked that one out yet ??

She was probably standing in a studio with a photo of it projected behind her. News teams regularly use stock photos as backgrounds for their reports. They do it for convenience.... to save time, money and energy.

Originally Posted by Your name here

BBC reported that building 7 collapsed 20 minutes before it collapsed, while the building was still standing and visible over the left shoulder of the reporter while she said it.

Yes, Teakdoor Does Attract Knobs. Like flies to a steaming pile of sh*t.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Your name here

BBC reported that building 7 collapsed 20 minutes before it collapsed, while the building was still standing and visible over the left shoulder of the reporter while she said it.

Yes, Teakdoor Does Attract Knobs. Like flies to a steaming pile of sh*t.

It's really quite incredible to encounter such a collection of kooks concentrated in one location.....

Every single "point" that has been raised on this thread has been beaten to death...and explained to the point of ad nauseum, but they still get dragged out with demands for more explainations......by people who read masses of fabricated nonsense made up by the conspiracy industry to drive traffic to their websites and sell books.

Part of the standard MO of the conspiracy nut----quibble over every minor point, even if it is of no real importance to the case (like the exact distance a piece of engine was found from the impact point, or some misstatement made by an official during the investigation, or statements quoted out of context ---however many times such statements have been explained and corrected)

None of these things are of any material importance but they can be used to cast doubt, confuse and distract from any reasonable argument.

The modern conspiracy industry was really started by a guy called Mark Lane who wrote a best-seller trashing the Warren Report on JFK. The book was very convincing and Lane was an articulate speaker and a trained lawyer who could really make a case on the TV circuit. Half of American believed everything he wrote and it has taken half a century to discover to slowly unravel and establish that most of his theories were just that...theories, most of which have been proven wrong. Mark Lane could be well be the greatest hair-splitter in modern history...and he had the skill to convince an audience that crows are not really black after all.

In the meantime he made a fortune, and started a new trend of writing books about all the secret and dastardly deeds of government to an already well primed audience. The emergence of the internet really got the industry humming and there is never a short supply of folks ready to gobble it all up ...as long as the government (in one form or another) is the bad guy....

Even if no connection can be made to the government, and it is clearly shown not to be the bad guy, they still have the shadow government, and the illuminati as fall back positions. The basic approach is that "nothing is ever what you think it is" and officialdom is all its forms is out to get you, either directly or by proxy........

The appeal to the nutjobs of course; is knowing that they are out to get us, but we are onto the bastards. ...They can't fool us, cause we are smarter than all the sheeple (they love using that word to describe normal well adjusted people who don't suffer from paranoia) ....

Apparently the firemen knew as early as midday that there was a high likelihood the WTC7 building was going to collapse. They would have been talking to the media.


"It turns out that the respected news agency Reuters picked up an incorrect report and passed it on. Reuters have issued this statement:

"On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen."

I put this to the writer and director of Loose Change, Dylan Avery. I asked whether he believed the BBC was part of the conspiracy. Given the question his film had posed about the BBC I was surprised by Dylan's response: "Of course not, that's ludicrous. Why would the BBC be part of it?"
He added candidly: "I didn't really want to put that line in the movie."
And the reason the interview with the BBC correspondent, Jane Standley, ended so abruptly? The satellite feed had an electronic timer, which cut out at 1715 exactly".


BBC - The Editors: Controversy and conspiracies III


I suggest you read the answers here too : http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/qu...re-it-happened

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Again, as I've said over and over, all these anomalies that are dragged up by the conspiracy people have been given perfectly rational explanations, but they just refuse to accept anything that does not fit whatever alternative view of the world they have chosen to believe.

During the early stages of the unfolding story, a great many misstatements and mix-ups were made in the clamour for information. Officials being pressed to make statements before any kind of accurate data was available. On other occasions such as the one described here.....information being released prematurely and picked up by reporters and put on air without authentication.

These are exactly the kinds of things that the conspiracy industry exploits relentlessly without ever making reference to corrections, retractions or explanations.

The other favorite ploy is to just make stuff up and comingle it with known facts so as to give the appearance of authenticity.

Sizeable fortunes have been made by people with vivid imaginations and access to a typewriter...or more recently a computer keyboard.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by ENT

What live feeds?

Like the BBC live feed showing WTC 7 collapsing?


Or the live feeds showing alleged airliners disappearing behind buildings?

Millions of people (including me) who lived in the same time zone as NYC watched the second plane approach and hit the tower...right on live TV. It was on dozens of channels....and you are saying that this was photo- shopped.

Like hell you did.

You saw a video on TV.

OK,.....post the clip you reckon was the live feed clip of a plane hitting a tower at WTC.

Go on.

You really are a priceless fuckwit.

Go to 14'30".

Funny that, the first thing that eyewitness says while she's on the phone describing the first hit and she's on the ground there at ground zero, is that the second plane looked like a 747? Not a single mention of missiles or black ops military jets, but a 747? IN the heat of the moment an accurate description, imagine that?

For me, every time I see that it brings back the same immediate shock and disbelief I felt that moment along with all the anger and sudden feeling of violation and grief for all of those people. In all these years it hasn't dulled one bit.

Yes...the theorists are people with very limited intellects, though I'm sure that ones like ENT actually FEEL like they're kings of the world........after they've self-medicated on marijuana, alcohol etc.

I'm tired of going around in circles with loonies like ENT and deluded people like Albert. I think I'll stop posting on this thread.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

This testimony I have watched live when the 9/11 Commission was broadcasted. However, missing in the Commission Report.

Norman Mineta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During the September 11, 2001 attacks, Mineta issued an order to ground all civilian aircraft traffic for the first time in U.S. history.
Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission about his experience in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with Vice President Cheney as American Airlines flight 77 approached the Pentagon was not included in the 9/11 Commission Report.[ In one colloquy testified by Mineta, the vice president refers to orders concerning the plane approaching the Pentagon:

There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, 'The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant.

Except we didn't have any planes armed and ready for combat on American soil within striking distance as they had been on a training mission and were carrying fake armament and lasers only so, the orders you're probably speaking of was directed at those 2 pilots who were sent on a Kamakazi mission to crash into the plane and destroy it.

One was to hit the cockpit and the other the tail section, being that they knew they were ordering 2 more people to their death it stands to reason that they wanted to be certain before doing so. Fortunately for those pilots their lives were also saved by the passenger heroes on board that 747.

BTW The author of that perspective of the story still "doesn't know what it meant", he's made an erroneous assumption.

I got an awesome idea, let's collect and put all the nonbelievers, cynics and skeptics, in a 747 (probably don't need more than one) on a sled at the test facility or better yet remotely pilot a plane like they claim has been done and crash it into the ground at 500 mph in a rock hard field and see what remains? No more questions after that I'll wager..

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by Your name here

BBC reported that building 7 collapsed 20 minutes before it collapsed, while the building was still standing and visible over the left shoulder of the reporter while she said it.

You haven't worked that one out yet ??

She was probably standing in a studio with a photo of it projected behind her. News teams regularly use stock photos as backgrounds for their reports. They do it for convenience.... to save time, money and energy.

Ermm It's also being overlooked that even live reports also have a time delay for purposes of dropping improper language or other intrusions such as nasty photo bombers et al making certain inappropriate gestures ( ) as just one example.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

....or something like that. THis is fucking mental and most of the mainsteam media sheep (yes, thats most of you lot) and slurping this all down, accepting in, and thinking it is logical.

Insanity. Absolute insantiy.

Gotta sell more armaments pal,......gotta sell more back up supplies.....business is business,....oh iveh..


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