Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by koman

The way all of the WTC buildings collapsed in their own footprint was because of the particular nature of the structures.

Yup.

IF they were demolished in a controlled fashion.

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Nothing like a false flag op to get the war juices flowing eh? Happens before every major conflict. Gotta have a reason to invade another country right?

Yeah right....they decided to destroy the WTC, bomb the Pentagon and have an airliner crash in a field just so they could go fight a few rounds in Afghanistan and Iraq....... First Gulf war they faked an invasion of Kuwait......WW11 they faked the invasion of Poland....Pearl Harbour....there's just no end to it........

First thing that happens when a change of government takes place, is a full briefing on all the outstanding plots.....just so everybody in the new government gets their story right......

[QUOTE=Latindancer;2861870]No hysteria here, Albert...and never has been.
I take it that as your last post was mostly in quotation marks, that you yourself have no real experience with oxy cutters or a thermal lance ? I have. And the cuts are typical.

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Bullshit.

You're a sometime garage worker with tacking skills,....full stop.

So why would a guy make more work for himself by angle cutting non load-bearing steel columns?

Cuts like that are made so that the top section(s) might more easily slide to one side along with other cut sections without toppling and damaging neighbouring structures.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Oh....sorry. I did not pay close attention to my copying and pasting. But hey...milk the humour for all it's worth. After all....being derisive is all you can do.

You have not paid attention to all the other statements.

That's because you're a patent liar and keep making things up to suit, so can't remember (nor pay attention to) the last lie you said, tw*t.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

No....we see (as did millions of others) the dark underneath of a fuselage, and a long brighter area which is light shining off it.
The fuselage is just as wide as one might expect.

Is that so?

It's one hell of a wide fuselage for a Boeing 767-200 ER.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

...the firemen cut those beams with oxy acetylene torches to remove the unstable and very dangerous mass of twisted beams sprouting up. Not only have they stated this, but anyone who has used an oxy torch to cut thick metal can see the characteristic cut. The photos were probably taken the next day, or even much later.

Right, so they did, and they didn't stick around wasting time doing it, quick work, not precise angle cuts as displayed by some of the thermite angle-cut uprights.

Idiot.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

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Why do you even bother......? It severely detracts from the real story and real culprits.....like those 28 pages of withheld documents mentioned in the other thread : https://teakdoor.com/world-news/14596...e-history.html (9/11's secret 28-page history)

Now you're stupid enough to try a red herring by attempting to focus attention onto another thread,...pathetic.

Stick to the topic, prat.

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Nothing like a false flag op to get the war juices flowing eh? Happens before every major conflict. Gotta have a reason to invade another country right?

Yeah right....they decided to destroy the WTC, bomb the Pentagon and have an airliner crash in a field just so they could go fight a few rounds in Afghanistan and Iraq....... First Gulf war they faked an invasion of Kuwait......WW11 they faked the invasion of Poland....Pearl Harbour....there's just no end to it........

First thing that happens when a change of government takes place, is a full briefing on all the outstanding plots.....just so everybody in the new government gets their story right......

Said nothing about making stuff up. All that shit happened. Could those things have been avoided?
Although the gulf of tonkin was completely made up so they do that to.

As an aside I think the best way for any govt to keep a secret is to not make it a secret just make the people who think otherwise out to be fools. No matter the evidence or questions you ask your just another conspiracy theorist and will be attacked by anybody who disagrees.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by Latindancer

.the firemen cut those beams with oxy acetylene torches

"Ahhhh I remember this one well....being that I am in the precision metal trade and know quite a bit about steel columns and how they are cut, and the characteristics that go with that...I will say that with 100% assurance, that was not cut with a torch, in fact, it is impossible to make a cut like that with a torch, or any other hand held instrument.

That I am sure of."

"I, too, have many years(25) of mfg./fab. experience in the aerospace industry, and know this isn't a man made cut. Oxy-acet. torches do not leave slag, and there is absolutely no reason to make a diag. cut. It takes twice as long, and is potentially dangerous as the column could easily slip given any lateral pressure placed on the beam."

Do you have any support to back up your ideas LD?

I hate to burst your bubble but if you say a cutting torch would not make slag as such in the picture you no nothing on the subject. Having a degree in welding technology and working 35 years in the business I can assure you that beam was cut with a torch.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

cs.HINT : The fuselage is a cylinder.

Then why doesn't the fuselage look like a cylinder in the pic, rabbit-brain?

Originally Posted by koman

Yeah right....they decided to destroy the WTC, bomb the Pentagon and have an airliner crash in a field just so they could go fight a few rounds in Afghanistan and Iraq..

Yes, they did, and you know it.

Plus an excuse for more,....like the follow-on Libya and Syria and......


There'll be more.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I hate to burst your bubble but if you say a cutting torch would not make slag as such in the picture you no nothing on the subject. Having a degree in welding technology and working 35 years in the business I can assure you that beam was cut with a torch.

So why waste time angle cutting several uprights when all the neighbouring uprights are rough-cut across?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So "No building in history has ever collapsed due to fire" suddenly becomes "except for ones not in New York City next to the World Trade centre".

Don't be ridiculous, you're starting to appear as though you've got Alzheimer's.

So what happened with that bit of airliner wing from a Boeing found behind the Islamic centre last year harry?

Did it fly there by itself?

Christ, this thread still lurches on?

Surely a testament to just how utterly meaningless posters lives must be.

" yep, Thailand shore is a great place to hang out and spend a while ' n'all. In fact it's so fucking good ah spend my whole fuckin' time posting utter horse shit on a subject no sane person gives a flying fuck about anymore on a fuckin' thread only a hard wired monkey fucker would spend time on. Yup, I'm a fucked up frazzled septic fuckwit with nowhere to go but down. "

Har, har.

Originally Posted by thegent

Christ, this thread still lurches on?

Surely a testament to just how utterly meaningless posters lives must be.

" yep, Thailand shore is a great place to hang out and spend a while ' n'all. In fact it's so fucking good ah spend my whole fuckin' time posting utter horse shit on a subject no sane person gives a flying fuck about anymore on a fuckin' thread only a hard wired monkey fucker would spend time on. Yup, I'm a fucked up frazzled septic fuckwit with nowhere to go but down. "

Har, har.

Still reading it and posting on it I see. Good job keep it going! Har, har.

It's old news so lets forget about it that way our govts can keep doing it over and over again. Perfect.

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

It's old news so lets forget about it that way our govts can keep doing it over and over again. Perfect.

Well it's been thirteen years now. So far all the fantasy theories, ravings and bullshit have done what exactly to prevent "the government" from doing what it does, when the occasion arises?

I for one am still waiting to hear how "the government"; which is berated on a daily basis for being inept, incompetent, and incapable of doing anything right, can pull off such a complex and well orchestrated stunt involving a dozen organizations and countless thousands of people, without a hitch, or a security leak....or a confession... or anything.

Then we have the problem of constantly changing governments with different leadership, different staff., different everything, ...and still they manage to keep everything watertight and secure.. .. absolutely amazing government; so much better and smarter then we thought eh....

^ Interesting.

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

It's old news so lets forget about it that way our govts can keep doing it over and over again. Perfect.

Well it's been thirteen years now. So far all the fantasy theories, ravings and bullshit have done what exactly to prevent "the government" from doing what it does, when the occasion arises?

I for one am still waiting to hear how "the government"; which is berated on a daily basis for being inept, incompetent, and incapable of doing anything right, can pull off such a complex and well orchestrated stunt involving a dozen organizations and countless thousands of people, without a hitch, or a security leak....or a confession... or anything.

Then we have the problem of constantly changing governments with different leadership, different staff., different everything, ...and still they manage to keep everything watertight and secure.. .. absolutely amazing government; so much better and smarter then we thought eh....

But don't you see the irony in what you just wrote? You keep talking about how a govt could keep something so big so secret for so long, but the thing is IT HASN'T it's just that no matter the evidence to the contrary some people will never see or believe something unless it happens to them personally.

Look at the very least there is enough inconsistencies in the official story to warrant further investigation but that hasn't happened, why? Why is it that anyone who points out these inconsistencies is a crackpot? I don't get it.

you got 2 people who weren't there. One says one thing and another says something else. Who is right? Is it majority rules? I am sure the majority of Germans thought the Nazi's were right. I am sure most radical Muslims think they are right in destroying the infidels. That doesn't make them right.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

I had no idea the movement had gathered such momentum

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How dare they ask for the truth! Who do they think they are that our elected govt that works for us would just tell them what happened without holding back all the pertinent information. The gall of some people.

RUSSIAN 9/11 DATA DUMP REVEALS STATE ACTORS

“9/11 was an Anglo-American black operation executed in collusion with Israeli Secret Services.” — 9/11 Investigator

Undoubtedly the 9/11 attacks on New York City and Washington DC are the most misrepresented by officialdom in US history.

Whereas the assassination of John F. Kennedy is now understood to have been a classic CIA Public Execution Plan, it does not come close to 9/11 in terms of the number and magnitude of outright falsehoods, misleading statements, fake science and fraudulent facts submitted by officials and agents of the US Government. The ‘official’ 9/11 Commission Report stands as the most fabricated document ever produced by US tax dollars. Not only did the investigation avoid every serious inquiry about how two steel frame building came down after being dustified in NYC, it also subverted every initiative to ferret out the truth.



That’s all about to change in 2014.

It appears that Russia has been conducting systematic data dumps on 9/11, the release of which represents more factual information on the attacks than any US Government source. In the wake of the Anglo-American coup d’état conducted by the CIA and MI6 in Kiev, it appears that Russia has no more patience for Western interference. Especially when nations are destabilized on Russia’s borders do the stakes in this highly consequential geopolitical chess match go up.

Since Vladimir Putin has no intention of starting World War 3, he can only respond to US-EU meddling by using asymmetric warfare on the internet. Were the American people to understand that elements within the US Federal Government were behind the 9/11 attacks , EVERYTHING would change in a heartbeat. Because the Obama Administration has shown no sign of aborting its planned takeover of the Ukraine, Russia is now left with fewer, but still quite potent options.

The following excerpt recently appeared on an alternative news website — Veterans Today — under the subtitle “Too Classified to Publish”. Essentially this unprecedented release of ultra-secret and highly classified information illustrates Putin’s new tack toward Western intractability. Simply put, Russia will no longer stand by idly while the Anglo-American Juggernaut projects it power wherever it so chooses.

TOO CLASSIFIED TO PUBLISH
According to a retired FXX agent specializing in Israeli counter intel: The type of nuclear devices used on 911 were a modified version of the W-54 nuclear artillery shells that were covertly provided to the Israelis between 1988 and 1998 from US surplus stockpiles illegally exported during the Bush/Clinton era.

Chemical analysis done by DOE Sandi was able to identify the chemical/radiation footprint or fingerprint of the warheads based on samples taken after 911 of the fallout at ground zero. (Editor’s note: Nuclear weapon use at ground zero is confirmed from multiple sources)

All plutonium based warheads have a chemical fingerprint that can identify the type of design and where the PU was made and how old it is. This was the 911 blackmail on Bush 1 and 2, the illegal transfer of surplus US nuclear weapons to the Israelis and why the continued cover up, along with the stolen gold and stock fraud that was going on Wall Street etc. According to file ENW57.pdf on page 66. (Editor’s note: Document received and confirmed)

Only a 2 kiloton device was needed to drop the buildings. A 2 kiloton device will produce a fireball of apx 150 to 200 feet in diameter at over 4000 degrees Centigrade. Just large enough to melt the I beams of the central core of the building and drop them in place. The light flash would last less than 1 second and primarily be in the UV light range. Overpressure would only be at 60PSI max and directed upwards with the blast. See underground effect.

Fallout would be minimal and located to within ground zero range only. Radiation would drop to acceptable levels within 72 hrs. after the blast. Most fall out was trapped in the cement dust thus causing all of the recent cancer deaths that we are now seeing in NYC amongst first responders. (Editor’s note: Consistent with site data)



High FluxIsotope Reactor Core – Cross Section

Melted steel and iron oxide or “nano thermite” is a byproduct of the very high gamma ray / Neutron flux induced into the central steel core. The radiation dissolves the steel into iron oxide consuming the carbon and silicone in the steel.

This explains the missing steel columns and the very important clue of the “vaporized’ 20 ton antenna tower atop the south tower. The upward blast of radiation literally vaporized it. Video evidence proves this to be true. (Editor’s note: Tower issue a vital one.)

The total XXOO data file from DOE Sandia on the 911 event is well over 72 MB. P.S. Snowden didn’t have a Q clearance so he missed this one. Carnaberry had a pretty good stash of documents on the subject. (All under the transit stuff.) The entire nuclear nonproliferation story of stolen nuclear material coming from Russia was an Israeli cover story to hide the original source of weapons material coming from the US stock piles. (Editor’s note: Fully confirmed)

Illegal distribution of US nuclear material to foreign allies was not limited to Israel. Virtually all NATO allies were in on this scam too. Dick Cheney was the bad guy on this one. Bush2/Cheney traded nuclear pits to foreign country as IOU’s in order to get what they wanted. Tom Countryman a well-known Israeli operative is curiously now in charge of N.N.P. at the State Department under Obama.(?) He was put there by Ram Emanuel.



Early Israeli core model – Vannunu photo

It appears that the weapon of choice for the Israelis were the W-54 and follow on series of nuclear pits taken from the Amarillo TX storage dump. This was what Carnaberry was working on for Bush senior in Houston.

A total of over 350 pits were transferred to the Israelis over a 10 to 20 year period of time. The W-54 type of pit design were the most desirable due to the 2 point implosion pit design. This is the easiest to re manufacture and modify as compared to other circular pit designs.

The pill shaped design of the W-54 type weapon contains over 1.5 times more plutonium than a standard pit. This would allow enough Plutonium to be recovered that was still of weapons grade use even after 32 plus years of age. Americium build up in the pit over time eventually makes the Pit unusable as a weapon so they have a limited shelf life based on how fast or slow the Plutonium was produce in the reactor at Stanford.

Usually it was about 150 days max. Irradiation time in the reactor during production determines the shelf life of the pit as weapons grade material. All of the micro nukes used by the Israelis are re-manufactured W-54 type series devices.



Khazelov confirmed this a micro nuke bombing

These devices were used in the Bali bombing and the London bombing and in Japan on their reactors. (Editor’s note: Nuclear weapon use in Bali confirmed) Also used in Damascus, Iraq and Afghanistan by the US. (Editor’s note: Multiple confirmation including site samples.)

These are stored in most Israelite embassies for ease of deployment. The one’s used on 911 were kept at the Israeli consulate in NYC until put in place. After 911 the FBI now checks all diplomatic pouches with a Geiger counter before entering or leaving the US. The South African weapons were also surplus W-54 artillery shells acquired from Israeli and final assembly and testing was done in South Africa with Israel assistance. (Editor’s note: This explains Pelendaba production issues.)

This was done because the Israelis needed a testing ground in order to make sure that there rebuilt weapons would work as designed. (Editor’s note: Testing on Sept. 22, 1979 multiple confirmations.) The North Korean weapons are also of the 155 mm artillery design as provided by Israel.

The true North Korean nuclear weapons program is based on nuclear artillery use and not missiles. The plan is to use a massive artillery barge on South Korea if war breaks out this include the use of small nuclear artillery shells to counter US tanks rockets and artillery.

The Saudi’s also have a stash of W-54′s acquired from the US under Bush2. (Editor’s note: Confirmed) The Israelis have also provided them to India, Brazil, China, Taiwan, Japan, North and South Korea etc. (Editor’s note: All but South Korea confirmed. Canada had been believed to be the source of Brazilian nuclear weapons.) Dimona is a standard 75 megawatt thermal open top reactor as used in France for their plutonium weapons production program, their version of Stanford (Editor’s note: Probably “Hanford”).



Dimona – Israel

Due to over use as a fast breeder reactor by the Israelis, Dimona suffered a “steam explosion” IE a flash over indecent due to neutron criticality back in the late 1980′s under Bush 1. This shut down its operation for many years until repairs could be made.

It know only operates at very low power levels due to neutron absorption damage to the containment vessel. Now mainly use for isotope production. This forced the Israelis to turn to stolen nuclear stock piles from the US for the continuation of their nuclear program.

The Israelis knowing that the nuclear material that they had acquire only had a limited shelf life left before it was no longer usable as weapons grade then tried to dump it on the surplus market as fast as possible before it was of no use to them. So they dumped it on unsuspecting nations who would only sit on it and not be able to test it. These were the fissile tests in North Korea. (Editor’s note: Confirmed, multiple sources)

When everybody caught on to the scam such as Japan and Korea. (IE the Korean sub sinkings etc) they were angry because they paid big bucks for junk. This started a mini cold war with Israel and her old clients. However with micro nukes even as the plutonium ages it will still fissile producing a smaller size detonation well under 2 kiloton in size.

So they can still be used as small dirty bombs or as very small tactical nukes such as the nuclear artillery strikes on Damascus with rocket assisted W-54′s. (Editor’s note: Confirmed strike, May 4, 2013) On the W-54 pit design it is pill shaped and it is only about 4 inches in diameter and weighs about 24 pounds.

Most of the fuel is consumed in the plasma fire ball when detonated so there is very little plutonium fallout left to escape. If it is salted with other materials the fallout can be even reduced to lower levels such as in an enhanced radiation device or the so called neutron bomb. This is what was used on 911.



Falling man – 911

The primary purpose of the nuclear weapon used on 911 was to produce a massive Gama ray / neutron flux that would vaporize about 150 to 300 feet of 6 inch thick steal I beams that constituted the central core of the WTC buildings. This created a free fall event as seen on TV that day. (Editor’s note: Critical information here.)

The flash would be hidden from sight due to the underground detonation. Most of the light was in the non-visible light spectrum any way. Over pressure would be reduced to 6 psi due to the blast traveling up the central core and neutron radiation vaporizing the TV antenna at the top of the building as see on TV.

The fallout would be mainly vaporized concrete cement and iron oxide. This is why after 911 they told everyone on TV that the beta radiation burns that people were getting were due to the caustic cement dust and not due to the radiation effects from the radioactive cement fallout. (Editor’s note: Fully confirmed)

The iron oxide found all over the place was what was left of the steel I beams. This was the so called Nano Thermite that was found everywhere. Fallout was limited to a 1 mile area around down town NYC. See charts. (Editor’s note: Received)

Radiation decay was reduced to safe low levels after 72 hrs., (Editor’s note: Fully confirmed) outside of ground zero its self. This is why the area was blocked off from the public for 3 days after the event, in order to let the radiation drop to safe levels.[1]



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The 9/11 conspiracy theories aren't as irrational as you might think
By Tim Stanley US politics Last updated: September 11th, 2011
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Conspiracy theories are rational attempts to make sense of senseless events
Roughly one third of Americans believe that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job. Before British readers start to feel smug, the Telegraph’s blogs editor reports that around 25 percent of young Britons feel the same way. Theories of what really happened range from a controlled explosion, to a missile, while potential culprits include the United States government, freemasonry, Israel and shape-shifting lizards from the Draco solar system.
Many commentators find this alarming, but in fact conspiracy thinking is a natural part of political discourse. It represents an effort to make sense of apparently senseless events. People conquer their fears by drawing connections between unconnected tragedies to create a unified theory that brings order out of chaos. The Truther movement is not completely irrational.
Conspiracies – in the sense of being covert political operations – certainly exist. Al-Qaeda was a conspiracy, as was America’s program of “extraordinary renditions”. The suspicion that the US government would willfully harm its own citizens is informed by historical precedent. In 1955, the CIA released the whooping cough bacteria from boats moored at Tampa Bay, Florida as part of an experiment in biological warfare. They started an epidemic in the city that killed 12 people. The most famous example of the government using its citizens as guinea-pigs was the Tuskegee Experiment. From 1932 to 1972, Public Health Service researchers studied the spread of syphilis among poor black sharecroppers by telling 399 infected men that they were clean. By the end of the experiment, only 74 of the test subjects were still alive. Twenty-eight had died directly of syphilis, 100 passed away from related complications, 40 wives had been infected and 19 children were born with congenital syphilis. This is all a matter of public record, so much so that President Clinton issued a formal apology to the victims of Tuskegee in 1997. When the scandal broke, it convinced a generation of African-Americans that AIDS was an identical conspiracy. They rejected contraception out of fear that AIDS was being used to panic blacks into not breeding.
If conspiracies are a historical reality, then how do we differentiate between unearthing genuine crimes and simply speculating for the sake of it? Frankly, the answer isn’t easy and it depends upon the reasonable application of good old fashioned common sense. Thousands of people witnessed the events of 9-11 and the victims who died on the airplanes are well known to us. Beyond what you can see with your own eyes on hours of newsreel footage, any further speculation is idle fantasy. An example is the claim that Israel tipped off Jewish workers at the Twin Towers. Roughly 15 percent of the victims of 9-11 were Jewish, despite only comprising 2 percent of the population of the United States. Given its absurdity, it is reasonable to conclude that the claim that Mossad was involved in 9-11 is motivated entirely by anti-Semitism.
It is true that the US government bungled the aftermath of 9/11, that it tortured enemy combatants, “sexed-up” claims about weapons of mass destruction and manipulated a war with Iraq. What the conspiracy theorists do is to draw links between these individual crimes to create a unifying theory – a theory that returns inexorably to “9/11 was an inside job”. The principle is rational but the process and outcome are not. The Truthers thus bury genuine crimes beneath illegitimate or untested data, creating links between unconnected events, building pattern upon pattern of duplicities that kaleidoscope into a big mess of crazy. They do the watchdogs of the federal leviathan a disservice. They distract us from the real crimes that governments commit.
But that doesn’t mean the Truther phenomenon should be lightly dismissed. It articulates the fear that many of us feel about the growing power over our lives of impersonal forces. The globalised economy has rendered nation states a sham; the threat of terror demands a multilateral approach; human rights legislation defending the rights of grand minorities chips away at individual freedom of speech. While the internet has increased our access to information, it has also made the world seem smaller. Government agencies grow like bacteria swelling in a petri dish. The logic of the slow loss of control is horrible and overwhelming. The desire to find someone responsible for it is understandable.
In a strange way, conspiracy movements are also an affirmation of innocence. The Truther says, “I never did any harm to the Muslim people, so why would Al-Qaeda target me?” The Truther concludes that they probably didn’t, that the only explanation for such a random act of violence against an innocent party is that it was a crime perpetrated by someone else with a deeper, more devilish grudge. Accepting that Al-Qaeda was guilty and that its plot was part of a complex geopolitical drama of which America is an intractable part requires courage and a commitment to fight the good fight. Not all of us have these.
The Truther movement will not go away. In its fears about government gone wild, it does at least reflect some fundamental truths about the powers that callously shape our lives. As Henry Kissinger said, “Even a paranoiac has enemies”.
The 9/11 conspiracy theories aren't as irrational as you might think – Telegraph Blogs

It appears that Russia has been conducting systematic data dumps on 9/11

Fuck me you idiots will believe anything.

no answers for anything yet harry?