Not really mateOriginally Posted by terry57
No fvcking fire caused this collapse.

Not really mateOriginally Posted by terry57
No fvcking fire caused this collapse.
Albert,
We are talking about ENT'S insistence that no plane hit the Second Tower .
Jesus, I know that you don't believe his stupid shit.
The kids at the Special school might though.![]()

I think ENT is spot on a lot of the time but also think sometimes he picks up on well financed disinformation too - as do I. But overall he's obviously right - 9/11 was an inside job. No question.Originally Posted by terry57

Of course there isn't, the conclusion was obvious to everyone except the deeply disturbed, like those nutters posting here.Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

^whatever you say rainman![]()

Rainman eh???At least Rainman had a very unique and special intelligence that sadly is lacking with the nutters here.

^you're a little slow but I think your heart is in the right place![]()

Yup, lots of people saw something hit the tower, but none of them saw a large passenger airliner hit it;
None saw a large passenger carrying airliner hit it though, and there's no film of such an event in existence, only mock-ups put out by the media.
Anyone daft enough to believe that Flt 175 hit the second South tower at WTC has to be at least half blind or asleep to not see the obvious editing in the videos aired by the media.
Go to the site below for a list of eye-witnesses to that event.
http://www.septemberclues.info/Repor...20Accounts.pdf
Also;
SELECTED EYEWITNESS REPORTS DESCRIBING OBJECT STRIKING WTC2:
A SMALL PLANE
1. "At that point we were still not sure that it was a plane that had hit the tower. There was some talk from the civilians coming down that a plane hit. The consensus was that it was a small plane."- Credited to: Roy Chelson
A CESSNA OR LEAR JET TYPE OR...
2. “Numerous civilians were telling me that a plane had hit the building. There were discrepancies as to the type of plane. Some were saying it was a Cessna or Lear jet type, a small jet plane. Some said it was a large passenger plane. One person actually said that it was like a military style plane that actually shot missiles into the building”. - Credited to: Anthony Bartolomey
A SMALL (TRAINING) PLANE
3. “I saw it come up from the left, and I saw the plane coming through to the building, go inside, a small plane….no, no, it was plane, you know, like they teach the people to pilot a plane, a small plane, you know, it was that kind of plane…, and I never saw that plane before. It's like something, I don't know, it's like they worked with the motors, I never saw a plane like that before!”- Credited to: Karim Arraki
A CESSNA
4. “I was on my way to work…traffic was excellent…I received a call saying a small Cessna had hit the World trade Center…I was asked to go and man the Office of Emergency Management at the World Trade Center 7 on its 23d floor…” – Credited to: Barry Jennings
LIKE A SMALLER PLANE
5. “I was waiting a table and I literally saw a, it seemed to be a small plane. I just heard a couple of noises, it looked like it like it ‘bounced’ off the building and then I heard a, I just saw a huge like ball of fire on top and then the smoke seemed to simmer down…it just seemed like a smaller plane, I don’t think it was anything commercial.”- Stuart Nurick, LIVE on CBS NEWS
A SMALL, SMALL JET PLANE
6. “…We saw a plane flying low overhead which caught all of our attention. We looked up. It was making a b-line for the World Trade Centre. It was very low, extremely low, not a big plane like an airliner …uh… but not a tiny propeller plane, a small, small jet plane.”- Credited to: Mary Cozza
A LIGHT COMMUTER PLANE
7. "I mean, I hate to admit this, but I'm sitting there hoping that someone has made a mistake; there has been an accident; that this isn't the hijacked airplane, because there is confusion. We were told it was a light commuter airplane." Credited to: (news report)
THOUGHT PLANE WAS MUCH SMALLER
8. "I thought it could have been an accident...I thought the plane was much smaller..."- Credited to: Sid Bedingfield
A PROP JET
9. "I was told by somebody that we had an eyewitness who happened to be an off-duty firefighter who told me that he saw the first building get hit and it was hit by a prop jet, which I think turned out to be the wrong information, but everybody sees things differently."- Credited to: Steven Mosiello
A SMALLER TYPE PLANE
10. "And we went to a high point in our building, which is on the 25th floor, and you had a clear view of both World Trade Centers and the one that was smoking hard, and there was another plane that was flying low, and we just looked at it, and before we know it, it was just kamikaze, boom, right into the other tower... but it didn't seem like a big passenger jet. It was a smaller type plane, because it made some pretty radical turn, and flying low..." - Credited to: Mr. Tractsonburg
A SMALL JET
11. “We’re walking the dogs and we saw a plane flying really low, a jet, a small jet, and it flew directly into the World Trade Center..”- Credited to: (news report)
SMALL CARGO MILITARY
12. I got out of the car, and I told Larry I saw an FBI agent and I was going to start talking to him. I gave him my card, and he gave me a card. I said I thought that that second plane that went into the south tower was a military plane, like a transport or small cargo military. - Credited to: Battalion Chief Brian O’Flaherty
A BOMB....A MISSILE
13. "Hey Grandpa, I'll tell you what woke me up. They bombed the World Trade Centre. I'm looking at it and Mi-Kyung's video taping it. Terrible. I heard, Grandpa, I saw it. It could have been a plane, but I think it was a bomb...a missile...er...this could be world war three."- Credited to: Mi Kyung Heller
LIKE A MISSILE
14. “…I can only describe as, it sounded like a missile, not an airplane….it was definitely not the sound of a prop plane or anything like that….I grew up on military bases and I know the sound of jets and I’ve been in war zones and heard those kinds of different sounds….the sound itself was not of a prop plane , it was perhaps a jet, but it could have been a missile as well….it was high pitched, but it had a…er…a…whooshing sound, not, not like a prop plane…”- Don Dahler, LIVE on ABC TV
A ROCKET
15. “It was a big fireball or something from the plane I guess, came from across the street in front of our rig, and as we get out of the rig, there's a cop, city police officer, in the street. He's telling us, "I'm getting out of here. I just saw a rocket." He said he saw it come off the Woolworth Building and hit the tower”. - Credited to: Peter Fallucca
SOMETHING - PLANE OR MISSILE
16. “At that point I assumed you can't have two -- it can't be an accident to have two planes. So, I don't know if there's planes or missiles or what but something was hitting this thing. You saw debris was falling down.“ - Credited to: Brian Dixon
NOT A BIG PLANE
17. ”I was saying to him, "That plane is closer to us. It's really not a big plane going towards the building." Two seconds later it rammed into the building. "- Credited to: James Murphy
THOUGHT THEY SAW A MISSILE
18. " Some people thought they saw a missile, now I don't know how they could differentiate, but we might leave open the possibility that this was a missile attack on these buildings ..." Dick Oliver, LIVE on FOX News
LIKE THE SIZE OF A GOLF BALL
19. “I saw two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the middle just disappeared into a little fireball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from where I could see it. And the other two planes veered off into opposite directions.” - Credited to: Patricia Ondrovic
Last edited by ENT; 27-07-2014 at 09:30 AM.

Like I explained once before, I'm the reference from personal experience so no other is any more reliable nor required, I lived it first hand. I don't need to post any one else's blog to legitimize my own personal life's experiences to you or any other nut case conspiracy theorist, end of..
Once again you are cherry picking through all the sightings reports made by folks who could not tell a Cessna 175 from a B52 close up, never mind from a distance.Originally Posted by ENT
I remember well watching two people being interviewed on the very day (Sept 11th 2001) They were both on the same street. One woman said she thought it was a small plane while the other, a man, saw a big commercial jet....![]()
Many others made similar confusing and contradicting statements, but the vast majority saw a commercial jet....and I don' think they were all working for the CIA black ops team....
These events happened very quickly and nobody was prepared. People only saw the planes for a few seconds in most cases. They were flying low and very fast.
Ordinary people are not trained or experienced observers....they see all kinds of things depending on distance, angle, lighting, and ability to identify clearly what they are looking at.
There are no less than 37 different videos of the second plane hitting the second tower, shot from different locations, most of them by private citizens. There are only a very few of the first strike because nobody was looking when that happened.....but the second was widely recorded, and viewed by thousands of people on the ground, and countless millions on TV....myself included....right on live TV FFS.
It was no Cessna, or rocket, it was a passenger jet full of fuel and people...as was the first strike on the other tower. Is there no end to this delusional nonsense?

But see here's the problem, according to the tin foil hat nutters here you're not allowed to believe your own eyes or make a reasoned decision based on what you saw because as they claim it was a covert, false flag CIA operation that infiltrated ALL media sources with a falsifie, internationally viewed, multi-million dollar production using drones and missiles behind the cg produced planes you saw. So our eyes are all lying to us and you need to provide credible internet sources to prove otherwise?Originally Posted by koman
Get it?
back to the topic,
where are the videos of the Pentagon missiles ?


I believe they were deleted.Originally Posted by Butterfly
Its the same as lining up 20 people, relate a story to the first one and send it down the line to the last one.
By the time it gets to # 20 its been corrupted.
Its like the Conspiracy Nutters, the theory's some of the Head cases dream up is incredible.
Not an ounce of proof or evidence to any one of them, only what they dream up or what they think they have seen or heard.
Regards Ent's mad theory concerning the second plane.
If the second plane was not the hijacked Airliner where is the fookin thing hiding ?
Maybe parked up on that mid ocean American base with the missing Malaysian plane.
Same as the Shanksville plane. If it did not crash in that field where the fok is it then Ent. ?
In your back garden maybe ?
Indeed delusional nonsense.
13 years down the track and not one person can produce any rock solid proof that 9/11 was a conspiracy.
Never will.
Interesting angle. I once went though an exercise on a course I was attending.Originally Posted by terry57
We were split up into several groups (4 or 5) and each group was sent to a separate room. The instructor then told group 1 a short story involving descriptions of people, surroundings and actions. The first group then had to go and retell the story to the second group, who in turn would retell it to the third and so on.
I think I was in the second group but it was 35 years ago....
By the time the story had been passed down the line to the last group, it was barely recognizable. We all had a good laugh when the last group were called in to repeat the story back to the instructor.....
The exercise was basically about development of good communications. The ability to really listen and absorb what is being said (or in some cases what is being observed)...followed by the ability to pass it on in an accurate way to others.
We did not do too well....but I think we improved later on by getting 50% or so right at the end of the line....
You can clearly see this kind of thing in the 9/11 videos. All the street interviews that were done. even on the day it happened. People saw big planes, small planes, white planes, black planes....rockets...and according to ENT holograms or some fcuking thing......
The whole thermite thing came about because small traces (very small) of thermite were detected in the wreckage.
These traces were explained by scientists as residue from the enormous amount of welding that would have occurred during the erection of the towers.
Now we have the CIA black ops guys toting truckloads of the stuff into the towers overnight in 20Kg boxes, according to some CIA "insider" on the Utube effort posted above.
Then it was all detonated by radio control while the planes (or ENT's hologram) were just used to divert attention away from the "controlled demolition"....
It's kind of odd how the same folks who constantly berate government for being incompetent, stupid and unable to do anything right, can then credit them with such a masterful piece of organization, choreography and execution, with a cast involving tens of thousands of people....and pulling it off without a hitch, or credible security leak.
They can't even fudge things like unemployment numbers FFS...without it being found in a few days....but they can pull off a stunt like 9/11..
Not that big a surprise that 9/11 is still going strong after 13 years......when there are still about half a dozen versions of who really shot JKF over half a century ago.....

Did a similar exercise in high school in my psychology class, only we only used 5 people per group, one person was told the story and then had to relay what he heard to the next and the next and so on with the last person telling the entire class, which had been told the real story to see how significantly it differentiated from the original.
It was uncanny how much a story had changed just over 5 people telling it, not to go off topic but this is another major reason I have difficulties with having faith with ANY religious doctrines.
You lying short arsed N>Irish British tit. There was no mention of holograms, they were all in yours and of course dippy Tweerry 57's heads.
And don't try out that pseudo science about residue from welding being thermite residue when the tower bases contained molten steel for weeks after the event, you dumb grunt.
Mind you, you already told us how thick your lot are in that story of Chinese whispers, then trying to make out you were the smartest group of the lot or some such!
Give over, you're stupid!
There was no evidence of any airliner crashing into any towers or buildings that day.
Last year, a large piece of airliner wing flap was found stuck between two buildings near WTC NY, and idiots like your lot and Terry and hairrybarry went off crying in paroxisms of ecstacy thinking that here was some sort of final proof of an airliner crashing into that tower,....but no,...nothing further was yheard of the piece of planted junk that was forgotten in the clean up.
Good stuff,.eh..![]()
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