Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by ENT

^^ Hey, yer red herring might enjoy the worms, but ya still can't explain how a passport survived.

Attas passport didnt survive though, it was never found

well, the FBI announced at the time that it was found

of course it wasn't there, since there was never any Atta passport in the first place

jesus, how dumb are you, fluke, even by your standard ?

The FBI didnt announce that they found Attas passport though .

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Morden

Remember that around 40% of the victims were not American and some were Muslim. Americans tend to forget that.

Bull crap. 372 non-Americans were killed. 12% of the total.;

And don't forget that the Jews didn't go to work that day and shorted all the airlines as well.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Morden

Remember that around 40% of the victims were not American and some were Muslim. Americans tend to forget that.

Bull crap. 372 non-Americans were killed. 12% of the total.;

Perhaps this link settles it. It's still not an all American or non-Muslim tragedy.

Casualties of the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^ Not one Saudi, there's got to be a conspiracy theory right there.

Originally Posted by Morden

Then there are the alleged mobile 'phone calls from the planes whilst at altitude. In 2001 few calls could reach ground stations, especially if many people on a plane were calling at the same time. A curious number of the calls not only reached the recipient but were recorded.

Researchers have pointed to vice morphing equipment as used by the CIA and suggested that the calls were hoaxes. One 'caller' made a big mistake by asking to speak to a close relative using both the person's first and last name.

Voice changer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was Mark Bingham, who used of his full name in calling his mother from Flight 93, saying "Hi Mom, this is Mark Bingham".

Ya what?

When did you or anyone call his ma giving his full name?

The last time I spoke with my mum and dad or brothers, or children, I just introduced myself with the one name they normally knew me by, not my full handle!!!

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by ENT

^^ Hey, yer red herring might enjoy the worms, but ya still can't explain how a passport survived.

Attas passport didnt survive though, it was never found

well, the FBI announced at the time that it was found

of course it wasn't there, since there was never any Atta passport in the first place

jesus, how dumb are you, fluke, even by your standard ?

The FBI didnt announce that they found Attas passport though .

Well well, lookee here!

Uncle Sam's lucky finds!

" never in the history of modern warfare has so much been found so opportunely.

...two blocks away from the twin towers,....Atta's passport. We had all seen the blizzard of paper rain down from the towers, but the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged ........

And more,....

"On September 24 the belongings of alleged terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui threw up a cropdusting manual, while four days later came Atta's suicide note, ................the one with the counsel to shine your shoes before you meet your maker - a piece of advice which seemed suspiciously Norman Rockwellesque. It was here, too, that the stuff about 72 virgins awaiting him in heaven first started to circulate."
Uncle Sam's lucky finds | World news | The Guardian

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Morden

Remember that around 40% of the victims were not American and some were Muslim. Americans tend to forget that.

Bull crap. 372 non-Americans were killed. 12% of the total.;

And don't forget that the Jews didn't go to work that day and shorted all the airlines as well.

You read too many comics harry.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Morden

Remember that around 40% of the victims were not American and some were Muslim. Americans tend to forget that.

Bull crap. 372 non-Americans were killed. 12% of the total.;

And don't forget that the Jews didn't go to work that day and shorted all the airlines as well.

You read too many comics harry.

You are fucking joking me, you believe all these crackpot theories and you don't believe THAT one?!

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by ENT

^^ Hey, yer red herring might enjoy the worms, but ya still can't explain how a passport survived.

Attas passport didnt survive though, it was never found

well, the FBI announced at the time that it was found

of course it wasn't there, since there was never any Atta passport in the first place

jesus, how dumb are you, fluke, even by your standard ?

The FBI didnt announce that they found Attas passport though .

Well well, lookee here!

Uncle Sam's lucky finds!

" never in the history of modern warfare has so much been found so opportunely.

...two blocks away from the twin towers,....Atta's passport. We had all seen the blizzard of paper rain down from the towers, but the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged ........

And more,....

"On September 24 the belongings of alleged terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui threw up a cropdusting manual, while four days later came Atta's suicide note, ................the one with the counsel to shine your shoes before you meet your maker - a piece of advice which seemed suspiciously Norman Rockwellesque. It was here, too, that the stuff about 72 virgins awaiting him in heaven first started to circulate."
Uncle Sam's lucky finds | World news | The Guardian

Don't suppose he could have thrown it out of the aircraft window to make sure he could be identified?

Just makes a little bit more sense than it being made of asbestos.

Then again, you still haven't watched that documentary have you?

Coward.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

^ Not one Saudi, there's got to be a conspiracy theory right there.

Wow, your bosses must be pleased!

Bin Laden's family and a whole bunch of their Saudi mates and hangers on got flown out of USA a few days after 9/11.

Mustapha bin dangerous for them, eh, harry?

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Morden

Then there are the alleged mobile 'phone calls from the planes whilst at altitude. In 2001 few calls could reach ground stations, especially if many people on a plane were calling at the same time. A curious number of the calls not only reached the recipient but were recorded.

Researchers have pointed to vice morphing equipment as used by the CIA and suggested that the calls were hoaxes. One 'caller' made a big mistake by asking to speak to a close relative using both the person's first and last name.

Voice changer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was Mark Bingham, who used of his full name in calling his mother from Flight 93, saying "Hi Mom, this is Mark Bingham".

Ya what?

When did you or anyone call his ma giving his full name?

The last time I spoke with my mum and dad or brothers, or children, I just introduced myself with the one name they normally knew me by, not my full handle!!!

That clinches it, right? Bush dunnit!

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Fluke

Attas passport didnt survive though, it was never found

well, the FBI announced at the time that it was found

of course it wasn't there, since there was never any Atta passport in the first place

jesus, how dumb are you, fluke, even by your standard ?

The FBI didnt announce that they found Attas passport though .

Well well, lookee here!

Uncle Sam's lucky finds!

" never in the history of modern warfare has so much been found so opportunely.

...two blocks away from the twin towers,....Atta's passport. We had all seen the blizzard of paper rain down from the towers, but the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged ........

And more,....

"On September 24 the belongings of alleged terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui threw up a cropdusting manual, while four days later came Atta's suicide note, ................the one with the counsel to shine your shoes before you meet your maker - a piece of advice which seemed suspiciously Norman Rockwellesque. It was here, too, that the stuff about 72 virgins awaiting him in heaven first started to circulate."
Uncle Sam's lucky finds | World news | The Guardian

Don't suppose he could have thrown it out of the aircraft window to make sure he could be identified?

Just makes a little bit more sense than it being made of asbestos.

Then again, you still haven't watched that documentary have you?

Coward.

You'd believe anything your masters tell ya to pussy.

Nope, Atta wasn't on that aircraft.

Originally Posted by leemo

Originally Posted by ENT

That was Mark Bingham, who used of his full name in calling his mother from Flight 93, saying "Hi Mom, this is Mark Bingham".

Ya what?

When did you or anyone call his ma giving his full name?

The last time I spoke with my mum and dad or brothers, or children, I just introduced myself with the one name they normally knew me by, not my full handle!!!

That clinches it, right? Bush dunnit!

Now you prove that and I reckon you'll get executed!

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by Butterfly

well, the FBI announced at the time that it was found

of course it wasn't there, since there was never any Atta passport in the first place

jesus, how dumb are you, fluke, even by your standard ?

The FBI didnt announce that they found Attas passport though .

Well well, lookee here!

Uncle Sam's lucky finds!

" never in the history of modern warfare has so much been found so opportunely.

...two blocks away from the twin towers,....Atta's passport. We had all seen the blizzard of paper rain down from the towers, but the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged ........

And more,....

"On September 24 the belongings of alleged terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui threw up a cropdusting manual, while four days later came Atta's suicide note, ................the one with the counsel to shine your shoes before you meet your maker - a piece of advice which seemed suspiciously Norman Rockwellesque. It was here, too, that the stuff about 72 virgins awaiting him in heaven first started to circulate."
Uncle Sam's lucky finds | World news | The Guardian

Don't suppose he could have thrown it out of the aircraft window to make sure he could be identified?

Just makes a little bit more sense than it being made of asbestos.

Then again, you still haven't watched that documentary have you?

Coward.

You'd believe anything your masters tell ya to pussy.

Nope, Atta wasn't on that aircraft.

I'm surprised you're even admitting it was an aircraft. I'd expect you to have it down as a UFO controlled by the Shapeshifting Lizard men.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

^ Not one Saudi, there's got to be a conspiracy theory right there.

Wow, your bosses must be pleased!

Bin Laden's family and a whole bunch of their Saudi mates and hangers on got flown out of USA a few days after 9/11.

Mustapha bin dangerous for them, eh, harry?

If you're hooked on a cover up, then it's plausible that the Bush clan assisted the Saudis to leave. Still doesn't place Bush anywhere near a conspiracy to down the towers.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by ENT

Nope, Atta wasn't on that aircraft.

I'm surprised you're even admitting it was an aircraft. I'd expect you to have it down as a UFO controlled by the Shapeshifting Lizard men.

I've insisted all along that aircraft were involved,....but like I said, you read too many comics,..shapeshifting,...lizards and stuff.

Next thing you'll be telling me that god got in the act somewhere along the line, and the virgin Mary and so on,....Jehaizis!!!

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by ENT

^^ Hey, yer red herring might enjoy the worms, but ya still can't explain how a passport survived.

Attas passport didnt survive though, it was never found

well, the FBI announced at the time that it was found

of course it wasn't there, since there was never any Atta passport in the first place

jesus, how dumb are you, fluke, even by your standard ?

The FBI didnt announce that they found Attas passport though .

Well well, lookee here!

Uncle Sam's lucky finds!

" never in the history of modern warfare has so much been found so opportunely.

...two blocks away from the twin towers,....Atta's passport. We had all seen the blizzard of paper rain down from the towers, but the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged ........

And more,....

"On September 24 the belongings of alleged terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui threw up a cropdusting manual, while four days later came Atta's suicide note, ................the one with the counsel to shine your shoes before you meet your maker - a piece of advice which seemed suspiciously Norman Rockwellesque. It was here, too, that the stuff about 72 virgins awaiting him in heaven first started to circulate."
Uncle Sam's lucky finds | World news | The Guardian

That isnt an FBI announcement ^
Also , that newspaper article above was later retracted

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Don't suppose he could have thrown it out of the aircraft window to make sure he could be identified?

Yeah right.
On an aircraft doing 500MPH just wind down the window and throw something out.

Originally Posted by leemo

If you're hooked on a cover up, then it's plausible that the Bush clan assisted the Saudis to leave. Still doesn't place Bush anywhere near a conspiracy to down the towers.

Dunno how old you are, leemo, but if you open your eyes up you'll find cover-ups everywhere, girls telling lies to their boyfriewnds about where they've been and vice versa, kids lying to their parents about something and so on, but saying..."hooked on a cover-up" sounds a tad naive, doncha think?

But, the Bush admin at the time did in fact give the Bin Laden family safe passage outa the states a few days after 9/11.

Bin Laden Family 'Evacuated' From US
Wednesday 03 September 2003

Members of Osama bin Laden's family were allowed to fly out of the US shortly after the September 11 terror attacks, a senior official has said.

Even though American airspace had been shut down, the Bush administration allowed a jet to fly around the US picking up family members from 10 cities, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston.

Some 140 high ranking Saudi officials were also on the plane.


The revelations come from former White House counter-terrorism chief Richard Clarke.

He said the Bush administration sanctioned the repatriation of the family in the immediate aftermath of the attacks.


'Repatriation approved'

"Somebody brought to us for approval the decision to let an airplane filled with Saudis, including members of the bin Laden family, leave the country," he told Vanity Fair magazine.

Mr Clarke said he checked with FBI officials, who gave the go ahead. "So I said, 'Fine, let it happen'."

He first asked the bureau to check that no one "inappropriate" was leaving.

"I have no idea if they did a good job. I'm not in any position to second guess the FBI," he said.

But Dale Watson, the FBI's former head of counter-terrorism, said the Saudis "were not subject to serious interviews or interrogations".

Permission to fly

Federal authorities gave permission for the plane to fly.

Tom Kinton, director of aviation at Boston's Logan airport, said: "We were in the midst of the worst terrorist act in history and here we were seeing an evacuation of the bin Ladens! ... I wanted to go the highest levels in Washington."




Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador to the US who is said to have organised the exodus, met President George Bush on September 13, 2001, two days after the terror attacks.

It is not known if they discussed the repatriation plan.

'No secret flights'

The White House has declined to comment on the claims, but sources told Vanity Fair the Bush administration was confident no secret flights took place.

Mr Clarke, who headed the Counter-terrorism Security Group of the National Security Council, said he did not recall who requested approval for the flights, but believes it was either the FBI or the State Department.

Special Agent John Iannarelli, the FBI's spokesman on counter-terrorism activities, said: "I can say unequivocally that the FBI had no role in facilitating these flights one way or another."

The wealthy bin Laden family broke ties with bin Laden years before the September 11 strikes.
Bin Laden Family 'Evacuated' From US

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Don't suppose he could have thrown it out of the aircraft window to make sure he could be identified?

Yeah right.
On an aircraft doing 500MPH just wind down the window and throw something out.

Attas passport was never found

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Fluke

Attas passport didnt survive though, it was never found

well, the FBI announced at the time that it was found

of course it wasn't there, since there was never any Atta passport in the first place

jesus, how dumb are you, fluke, even by your standard ?

The FBI didnt announce that they found Attas passport though .

Well well, lookee here!

Uncle Sam's lucky finds!

" never in the history of modern warfare has so much been found so opportunely.

...two blocks away from the twin towers,....Atta's passport. We had all seen the blizzard of paper rain down from the towers, but the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged ........

And more,....

"On September 24 the belongings of alleged terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui threw up a cropdusting manual, while four days later came Atta's suicide note, ................the one with the counsel to shine your shoes before you meet your maker - a piece of advice which seemed suspiciously Norman Rockwellesque. It was here, too, that the stuff about 72 virgins awaiting him in heaven first started to circulate."
Uncle Sam's lucky finds | World news | The Guardian

That isnt an FBI announcement ^
Also , that newspaper article above was later retracted

True enough, but why did Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik claim to have found it?

"The 9-11 commission staff statement reports that "four of the hijackers'passports have survived in whole or in part".
Two were said to have been recovered from the UA93 crash site in Pennsylvania, one was from a hijacker on AA11 (Satam al Suqami) and one (Abdul Aziz al Omari) was found in luggage that did not make it from the connecting flight Portland to Boston on to AA11. ABC News reported the alleged discovery of the Suqami passport onSeptember 12.

Days later other outlets such as CNN on September 16 and 17 reported that Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik had said on Sunday (the 16th) that a passport belonging to one of the hijackers was discovered a few days ago by a passer-by, several blocks from the crash site.

The FBI would not release the name on this mystery passport, leading to speculation that a second passport had been found at the WTC ruins. Some reports (e.g. the Guardian) claimed that it belonged to Mohamed Atta, the infamous ringleader.

Preposterous Passport "Discovery" Claims

Nonetheless, Satam al Suqami's "slightly charred" passport was found among all the WTC debris and dust and papers within hours of the twin towers exploding.

Explain that one.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by Butterfly

well, the FBI announced at the time that it was found

of course it wasn't there, since there was never any Atta passport in the first place

jesus, how dumb are you, fluke, even by your standard ?

The FBI didnt announce that they found Attas passport though .

Well well, lookee here!

Uncle Sam's lucky finds!

" never in the history of modern warfare has so much been found so opportunely.

...two blocks away from the twin towers,....Atta's passport. We had all seen the blizzard of paper rain down from the towers, but the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged ........

And more,....

"On September 24 the belongings of alleged terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui threw up a cropdusting manual, while four days later came Atta's suicide note, ................the one with the counsel to shine your shoes before you meet your maker - a piece of advice which seemed suspiciously Norman Rockwellesque. It was here, too, that the stuff about 72 virgins awaiting him in heaven first started to circulate."
Uncle Sam's lucky finds | World news | The Guardian

That isnt an FBI announcement ^
Also , that newspaper article above was later retracted

True enough, but why did Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik claim to have found it?

"The 9-11 commission staff statement reports that "four of the hijackers'passports have survived in whole or in part".
Two were said to have been recovered from the UA93 crash site in Pennsylvania, one was from a hijacker on AA11 (Satam al Suqami) and one (Abdul Aziz al Omari) was found in luggage that did not make it from the connecting flight Portland to Boston on to AA11. ABC News reported the alleged discovery of the Suqami passport onSeptember 12.

Days later other outlets such as CNN on September 16 and 17 reported that Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik had said on Sunday (the 16th) that a passport belonging to one of the hijackers was discovered a few days ago by a passer-by, several blocks from the crash site.

The FBI would not release the name on this mystery passport, leading to speculation that a second passport had been found at the WTC ruins. Some reports (e.g. the Guardian) claimed that it belonged to Mohamed Atta, the infamous ringleader.

Preposterous Passport "Discovery" Claims

It was just press speculation i.e , a journalist made it up .
Its quite ironic that the very people who continually tell everyone not to believe everything that they read in the media are then quite happy to unquestionably believe anything that they read that suits their agenda and then still carry on believing it even when its been shown to be false reporting .

Originally Posted by Fluke

It was just press speculation i.e , a journalist made it up .
Its quite ironic that the very people who continually tell everyone not to believe everything that they read in the media are then quite happy to unquestionably believe anything that they read that suits their agenda and then still carry on believing it even when its been shown to be false reporting .

The whole 9/11 story was a press speculation deal.

Nobody saw a plane fly into the WTC towers or the Pentagon.

You saw it on a movie or TV.

The only real evidence was on the ground.

Most of that was destroyed immediately after the event.

The only hard scientific record left are the seismograph recordings, they weren't and couldn't be manipulated by the press.

Interesting that non of you denialists want to discuss the seismography.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Don't suppose he could have thrown it out of the aircraft window to make sure he could be identified?

Yeah right.
On an aircraft doing 500MPH just wind down the window and throw something out.

Don't be a dick, the military have been throwing things out of plane windows for years, most recently in Libya.

Do you think they did a low, slow flyby and waved at the SAM batteries?