Thread: Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance

Originally Posted by OhOh

Your link to the UK government funded fake news source quotes a number of "medical authorities" and other dubious sources:

Syrian opposition activists, rescue workers and medics? Unamed sources.

Violations Documentation Center (VDC) - just look at their "funders" and hence puppet masters. OSF, "Ayman Asfari

Ayman Asfari is Group Chief Executive of Petrofac Limited. He has led the growth of Petrofac from a small US-based engineering business to a FTSE 250 multinational company employing more than 18,000 employees worldwide. He is a member of the Board of Trustees of the American University of Beirut, and sits on advisory boards of Chatham House and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Syria Civil Defence -THE WHITE HELMETS

Syrian American Medical Society (SAMS) "is a non-profit, non-political, professional organization representing thousands of Syrian-American medical professionals in the United States"

Union of Medical Care and Relief Organizations (UOSSM) - ameristani company.

A medical student working at a hospital told the BBC he had treated a man who died - An unamed source.

Videos posted by the opposition activist group Douma Revolution - A facebook entity!

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group - No words needed.

The United States, - No words needed.

Experts from a joint UN-OPCW mission also said they were confident that government forces were behind the April 2017 Sarin attack on Khan Sheikhoun, - based on unprovable sampling by others not OPCW staff

Is that the best shot you have, quoting BBC propaganda whose sources are easily discarded? Do you really believe the number of fake sources is important or a handful of statements from person2 of authority?



Check out published calls from many Russian officials prior to lying again 'arry.



The LORD pays 10g of 99.999% gold/post.



Not only the evidence but the now in country, OPCW team.



Luckily some are at a distance and one suspects our country of choice is not an object worth attacking by ameristan. 'arry allegedly is in the thick of it, probably managing the comms for one or other UAE King.



Some get off on slaughtering little brown people, in far way countries. It makes them feel exceptional.



Will anyone listen to him and put their heads above the parapet, not I suspect in ameristan.

Classic OhOh.

Yet you will post the most laughable nonsense from RT.com and bristle when people laugh at you.

Can't let your propaganda stand without comment. It is 10g of 99.999% gold after all.

When you think about it.....

Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Facebook that “smart” missiles would destroy any evidence of a suspected chemical weapons attack.

....that's an admission that they suspect a chemical weapons attack, and an admission that they think that the Syrians have them.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

To anyone versed in how high-level, high-stakes diplomacy operates in the real world, it’s obvious that London is in possession of solid intelligence to back up its claim of Kremlin culpability in the March 4 attack. Theresa May’s insistence that Russian intelligence is to blame for the attack on the Skripals is the tell that the Brits know something important behind the scenes, the sort of highly classified information that can’t be shared with the public. But what?


Finally, we may have an answer to that vital question. Yesterday, The Express, a British tabloid, reported a bombshell: British spies on Cyprus had intercepted a series of secret Kremlin messages that were related to the assassination

The Express, a tabloid for the ultra right-wing flank of Tory voters, it is as reliable as rt.com.
I've been waiting for a major mainland European newspaper to pick up this story but none of them seems to find it newsworthy.
You believe in shit like this Harry?

Originally Posted by lom

The Express, a tabloid for the ultra right-wing flank of Tory voters, it is as reliable as rt.com.
I've been waiting for a major mainland European newspaper to pick up this story but none of them seems to find it newsworthy.
You believe in shit like this Harry?

I did actually highlight the bits that were relevant.

I'm quite aware the OAP Daily Star is not exactly a bastion of journalism.

Daughter of poisoned Russian spy declines embassy help: statement

LONDON (Reuters) - Yulia Skripal, who was poisoned in Britain last month along with her father, a former Russian spy, said on Wednesday she did not wish to take up the offer of services from the Russian Embassy in London.

In a statement issued on her behalf by British police, Skripal said her father, Sergei, remained seriously ill and she was still suffering from the effects of nerve gas used against them in an attack that led to one of the biggest crises in Britain’s relations with Moscow since the Cold War.


“I have access to friends and family, and I have been made aware of my specific contacts at the Russian Embassy who have kindly offered me their assistance in any way they can,” Yulia Skripal said.





“At the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services, but, if I change my mind I know how to contact them.”





The Russian Embassy in London has previously said it had not been granted consular access to the 33 year-old woman.


Following Yulia Skripal’s statement, the embassy said: “We continue to insist on a meeting with Yulia and Sergei Skripal. The situation around them looks more and more like a forceful detention or imprisonment.”


Yulia Skripal was discharged from a hospital in the English city of Salisbury on Monday, where, she said, she was treated “ with obvious clinical expertise and with such kindness”.


Skripal said she was not yet strong enough to give a media interview and she said comments made by her cousin to Russian media were not her’s nor those of her father.


“I thank my cousin Viktoria for her concern for us, but ask that she does not visit me or try to contact me for the time being,” the statement quoted her as saying.


The Skripals were in a critical condition for weeks after the March 4 attack before their health improved.



Sergei Skripal, who was recruited by Britain’s MI6, was arrested for treason in Moscow in 2004. He ended up in Britain after being swapped in 2010 for Russian spies caught in the United States.


Britain accused Russia of being behind the nerve agent attack and Western governments including the United States expelled more than 100 Russian diplomats. Russia has denied any involvement in the poisoning and retaliated in kind.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN1HI30V

Originally Posted by misskit

In a statement issued on her behalf by British police

Not a personal public statement I see.

Originally Posted by misskit

“At the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services, but, if I change my mind I know how to contact them.”

Who does not doubt such statement? (no name here please...)

Originally Posted by OhOh

Are you suggesting that the OPCW teams are not independent and thus are "managed" by the country they are investigating?

"Managed" not "by the country they are investigating" - but by others (as was the case in Iraq)...

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I did actually highlight the bits that were relevant.

I'm quite aware the OAP Daily Star is not exactly a bastion of journalism.

The interception of the mentioned message never took place, it is all a fabrication by the Express so nothing of what you highlighted is relevant.
The article is written for the gullible, feeding them with one simple fact that can be checked (that UK has a listening stn in Cyprus) praying on that
they therefore will believe all the other bollox.
And you fell for it Harry!!

He didn't fall for it, he dived in head first then did the backstroke while whistling Rule Brittania.

Originally Posted by lom

The interception of the mentioned message never took place, it is all a fabrication by the Express so nothing of what you highlighted is relevant.

Is this because it's in the Express though?

Or because you are in fact a top intelligence agent or work in the Golf Ball?

Well we'll know soon enough. Not that it matters, because unless it comes from Pravda, the Putin girls choir won't believe it anyway.

Amazing how the Russians are squealing for a deeper investigation into this, yet for an attack that killed 70 in Syria they squeal the opposite way.

Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons to release findings on Salisbury nerve agent attack

The international chemical weapons watchdog's report on the Salisbury nerve agent attack is expected to be revealed, as a diplomatic battle continues to rage between the UK and Russia.

Former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with a nerve agent thought to have been ordered by Moscow more than a month ago, leaving the pair seriously ill in hospital.

The Foreign Office said it had asked the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) to release an executive summary of its findings on Thgursday <sic>.

It comes as Ms Skripal revealed she has rejected assistance from the Russian embassy, adding: "I want to stress that no one speaks for me, or for my father, but ourselves."

The 33-year-old said she has found herself in a "totally different life" as she continues to recover from the attack.

It is believed that British authorities immediately spirited Ms Skripal away to a secure location when she was discharged from hospital earlier this week.

The Russian embassy reacted angrily, suggesting in a series of tweets that the Russian national had been taken against her will.

The embassy is perturbed by a refusal from UK authorities to grant Ms Skripal's cousin Viktoria a visa to visit her family.

It escalated the war of words, saying in a series of statements posted on social media: "Secret resettlement of Mr and Ms Skripal, barred from any contact with their family will be seen as an abduction or at least as their forced isolation."

But Ms Skripal said in a statement: "I have specially trained officers available to me, who are helping to take care of me and to explain the investigative processes that are being undertaken.

"I have access to friends and family, and I have been made aware of my specific contacts at the Russian embassy who have kindly offered me their assistance in any way they can.

"At the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services, but, if I change my mind I know how to contact them. Most importantly, I am safe and feeling better as time goes by, but I am not yet strong enough to give a full interview to the media, as I one day hope to do.

"Until that time, I want to stress that no one speaks for me, or for my father, but ourselves. I thank my cousin Viktoria for her concern for us, but ask that she does not visit me or try to contact me for the time being.

"Her opinions and assertions are not mine and they are not my father's."

A Foreign Office spokesman said it has asked the OPCW to distribute the report to all state parties to the Chemical Weapons Convention, including Russia.

"This transparent and open approach, which we have pursued from the outset, is in sharp contrast to the Russian state's ongoing tactics of obfuscation and distraction," the spokesman said.

The Kremlin has repeatedly attempted to challenge Britain's claims that it was responsible for the poisoning of the Skripals.

Theresa May has said that UK military experts at Porton Down found that they were poisoned by Novichok, a nerve agent developed by Russia, and that the only plausible explanation was that the Russian state was responsible.

Despite the denials from Moscow, Britain has received strong diplomatic backing from western allies for its stance, with more than 20 countries expelling in excess of 150 Russian diplomats in protest at the Russian actions.

Last week, a Russian call for a new joint investigation was voted down by 15 votes to six at a meeting of the OPCW executive council in The Hague.

Former double agent Mr Skripal was jailed in Russia for selling secrets to MI6 but was released as part of a spy swap deal in 2010 and settled in the UK.

It is hoped he will soon be fit for release from hospital, despite grave fears that the exposure to military-grade Novichok on March 4 would prove fatal.

Ms Skripal said she was treated with "such kindness" at Salisbury District Hospital, and is missing the staff there.

"I have left my father in their care, and he is still seriously ill. I too am still suffering with the effects of the nerve agent used against us. I find myself in a totally different life than the ordinary one I left just over a month ago, and I am seeking to come to terms with my prospects, whilst also recovering from this attack on me," she said.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8300626.html

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Amazing how the Russians are squealing for a deeper investigation into this, yet for an attack that killed 70 in Syria they squeal the opposite way.

May be because the Russians have hands on investigators in Syria who know the truth. Whereas ...............

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

May be because the Russians have hands on investigators in Syria who know the truth

...knowing the truth and sharing it completely with the world isn't usually a Russian strategy...

Originally Posted by tomcat

knowing the truth and sharing it completely with the world isn't usually a Russian strategy...

Are the UK and America, to name two, any different?

...yes: they have to deal with investigative reporters who have all sorts of ways to unbury and publish inconvenient facts...rt (for example) merely reports what it's told to...

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

May be because the Russians have hands on investigators in Syria who know the truth. Whereas ...............

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH.

So when the Russians say "It's OK we checked, there was no chemical attack", we can take them at their word you mean?

My word, you are truly gullible.

President Trump says he wants to pull troops out of Syria - ABC News

"I want to get out. I want to bring our troops back home. I want to start rebuilding our nation," Trump said during a press conference with leaders of the Baltic countries Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. "It's time. We were successful against ISIS. We'll be successful against anybody militarily, but sometimes it's time to come back home — and we're thinking about that very seriously."

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So when the Russians say "It's OK we checked, there was no chemical attack", we can take them at their word you mean?

I would believe Russia before I believed the US.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I would believe Russia before I believed the US.

Yup. No question.

I'd sooner belive Smeg or a Tesla owner than either.

Of course for real skinny Fux News

Why not to believe the chemical May and clown Boris? And now kindly supported by the remorseful Tony.

The government with so long history of nothing but truth ("highly likely").

The Putin girls choir say they would believe Russia before the US.

Clearly they have not yet twigged why they are called the Putin girls choir.