Thread: Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance

Originally Posted by Begbie

Pragmatic are you claiming that MI6 fed him the dodgy seafood in order to shut him up after they discovered he was talking to the Russians?

I believe they found out where Skripal was booked in to have lunch and poisoned him and the daughter with Saxitoxin which mirrors food poisoning symptoms.

The U.S. developed Saxitoxin into a chemical weapon in the 1960s. The U.S. military designation is TZ. It was also used by the CIA for covert operations and liquidations as evidenced by the Church commission

Originally Posted by lom

YourNewsWire (styled as YourNewsWire.com) is a Los Angeles-based clickbait fake news website known for disseminating conspiracy theories and misleading information, contrary to its claimed motto (“News. Truth. Unfiltered”).

So what isn't the truth in the 'YourNewsWire.com' site. And who says it's fake news? More than likely the CIA to make this claim so to cover up the truth as to their true actions being exposed.

Anyway, if you believe the UK/US/'western' MSM version of this, you are either nuts or stoopid. I debate with neither.

The Truth will likely never out, but if you look upon the UK 'government'/ agencies and MSM's conduct and statements in all this, you do not even need a nose to smell the bullshit. You can hear it.

Originally Posted by sabang

You can hear it.

I don't suppose you have a sound recording at hand, of your Thai buffalo shitting. Some here might like a copy.

‘No secret’: Western countries have known Novichok formula for decades, German media report


"A sample of Novichok, the nerve agent allegedly used to poison the Skripals, was obtained by German intelligence back in the 1990s, local media report. The substance has since been studied and produced by NATO countries.


Western countries, including the US and the UK, have long been aware of the chemical makeup of the nerve agent known as Novichok, a group of German media outlets reported following a joint investigation. The inquiry, based on anonymous sources, gives new insights into the issue of the nerve agent said to have been used in the poisoning of former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury, UK, in March.


Western governments were able to lay their hands on the formula of what is described as “one of the deadliest chemical weapons ever developed” after the German foreign intelligence service, the BND, obtained a sample of the nerve agent from a Russian defector in the early 1990s.


A Russian scientist provided German intelligence with information on the development of Novichok for some time following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the German NDR and WDR broadcasters, as well as Die Zeit and Suedeutsche Zeitung dailies, report, citing unnamed sources within the BND. At some point, the man offered to bring the Germans a sample of the chemical agent in exchange for asylum for him and his family.


A sample was eventually smuggled by the wife of the scientist and sent by the Germans to a Swedish chemical lab, according to the reports. Following the sample analysis, the Swedish experts established the formula of the substance, which they then handed over to Germany.


By the order of the then German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, the BND then shared the formula with Berlin’s “closest allies,” including the intelligence services of the US and the UK. Later, the UK, the US and Germany reportedly created a special “working group” tasked with studying the substance, which also included representatives from France, Canada and the Netherlands.


“Some NATO countries were secretly producing the chemical agent in small quantities,” the four media outlets reported, adding that it was allegedly done to develop the necessary countermeasures. However, it remains unclear which particular states were involved in the Novichok production.


The sample of the nerve agent was particularly thoroughly studied by British specialists in the Porton Down laboratory. That is why they allegedly were so quick to determine the formula of the substance used to poison the former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia back in March, the report says.


At the same time, the German media admitted that “Novichok has long been not a secret anymore,” calling the claim of the British authorities concerning the origin of the substance used to poison the Skripals “precarious.”


The British government accuses Russia of poisoning the Skripals in Salisbury using the nerve agent A230, which has since become known as Novichok. Part of the argument put forward by Prime Minister Theresa May for Moscow’s complicity is that Russia is the only country able to produce it. That narrative has remained largely unquestioned within the Western mainstream media.


However, Czech President Milos Zeman has recently admitted that his country did synthesize and test a nerve agent of the so-called Novichok family. Earlier, Russian officials named the Czech Republic – along with Slovakia, Sweden, the US and the UK itself – among the countries which have enough technical capabilities to produce the nerve agent.


The international chemical weapons watchdog, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), has repeatedly claimed it cannot identify the source of the agent that was allegedly used to poison the Skripals."

https://www.rt.com/news/426944-germa...ichok-formula/

Well, well, well.

It looks as if the lies and bedrock of the UK governments case, has just fallen down the hole of truth. Could it possibly be that THE LORD and Russian governments officials, have been telling the truth since day one of the evil slur. A German group of reporters dug up the truth, the UK reporters daren't raise a question. The UK FM scoots away like a frightened rabbit, from a direct question in the HOC.

But never mind the UK slugs have a Royal getting married!

Originally Posted by OhOh

https://www.rt.com/news/426944-germa...ichok-formula/

Well, well, well.


the hole of truth.

Quite.

Originally Posted by OhOh

“one of the deadliest chemical weapons ever developed”

And yet it failed to kill anyone in Salisbury.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

And yet it failed to kill anyone in Salisbury.

Just the guinea pig and the cat.
Not surprising the Skripals had kept the guinea pig. It is very suitable for monitoring any poison.
And not forget the other Russian spy (what was his name?) who died nearby, why so quiet about him?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

It is very suitable for monitoring any poison.

A pet for an elderly man or an instrument to develop a "vaccine", for "women who need a assistance in becoming pregnant" and thus a Nobel Prize of course?

I read yesterday the Met have been questioning the elder UK spy to determine his relationship and frequency of meeting with MI6. The odds that any "poison, let alone a CW lethal at 0.001g in 2 minutes, being used have gone from 100% to 50% and now 0%. I presume ameristan will now use this "evidence" of, poor Russian technical ability, to double their own "CW/defence" budget.

Any MSM coverage?

the plot thickens

Ex-spy Sergei Skripal discharged after poisoning - BBC News

RT just airing live the press conference with Russian Ambassador to UK. He says, no answers have been received, neither on the other spy's death Grushkov, no access to any info...

If Novichok was used, Skripal would have died on the spot – Putin as ex-double agent leaves hospital

"Russian President Vladimir Putin says he was happy to hear that former double agent Sergei Skripal had been discharged from hospital, stressing that if a weapons-grade poison had been used, Skripal would have died on the spot.


Speaking at a joint press conference with visiting German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Putin said he had heard Skripal had been released from hospital.

"God give him health, we are very happy," the Russian president said. He added, however, that he doubts a weapons-grade toxin was used to poison Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury, UK, in early March.


"I think that if, as our British colleagues claim, a weapons-grade poison had been used, that person would be dead on the spot. Combat chemicals are so strong that the person either dies immediately or within seconds, maybe minutes," Putin said.


He also reiterated Russia's willingness to help the investigation. "We have offered our British partners all the necessary help numerous times, and asked for access to the investigation. There has been no answer so far. Our offer remains on the table," the Russian leader concluded.


Sergei Skripal, a former Russian-UK double agent who had served a prison term for treason in Russia before moving to the UK, was poisoned in Salisbury on March 4, together with his daughter Yulia. In the immediate aftermath, British Prime Minister Theresa May claimed Russia was "highly likely" responsible because of the alleged origins of the nerve agent supposedly used in the poisoning. The case escalated into a diplomatic scandal, with the UK and its allies expelling dozens of Russian diplomats, and Moscow sending home a similar number in a mirror response.


The British NHS announced on Friday that Sergei Skripal had been discharged from hospital. No details of his condition or location have been revealed. Weeks earlier, Skripal's daughter Yulia was released in similar secrecy. Neither has been seen since, and their only communication with the outside world has been a statement released by the Metropolitan Police, supposedly on Yulia's behalf, which among other things refused the help which had been offered by the Russian embassy in London.

'They can refuse our help, but we must be sure they're OK'


The Skripals are free to turn down the embassy's aid, but they should do so in person, Russian Ambassador to the UK Alexander Yakovenko told a press conference on Friday.


"For today, nobody saw their pictures, nobody heard their voice, nobody saw whether they're alive or not… we should be sure that the person is alive, he is alright or she is alright, and [if they] say, for example, 'I don't need your services,' it's fine with us," he said.


Asked by a reporter, Yakovenko said Russia does not consider Skripal a traitor as his sentence had been served. "He was sentenced, he spent six years in prison, he is cleared, he was freed and he decided to go to Britain. He is a free man, he is a Russian citizen as well as a British citizen, and he can do whatever he wishes. I think he settled his problems with the Russian state."


The ambassador himself only heard of Skripal after the Salisbury incident, he told another reporter.


"I had never heard of him and we never met him – no relations, no nothing. So when it happened in Salisbury, we started to read about who the person is, what he did in Russia, what he did here… basically, for us he was a new person, and now we know almost everything from the British press, except the evidence," Yakovenko said."

Comments on the alleged discharge of a Russian citizen by Russian government offices.

https://www.rt.com/news/427160-novic...ipal-putin-uk/

Oh look, yet another Russian fairytale.

Oh look Harry is being stupid again.

Originally Posted by Begbie

Oh look Harry is being stupid again.

No dickhead, Harry is being factual.

Poor old Putin can't make his mind up what his fucking story is.

Is there anyone on TD that believes the Russians did it, other than Harry?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Is there anyone on TD that believes the Russians did it, other than Harry?

RPeter, HermanZeGerman and snubs, they kind of look up to harry as an intellectual giant

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Oh look, yet another Russian fairytale.

Care to refute the alleged facts in the "fairy tale"?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

other than Harry?

Does he have any other logins here??

You have to admit that Russian propaganda machine is pretty good at sowing seeds of disbelief into the minds of fuckwits.

They make up so many stories, even fans of the Tsar lose track of them.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You have to admit that Russian propaganda machine is pretty good at sowing seeds of disbelief into the minds of fuckwits.

Your entitled to your opinion, but the fact of the matter remains that the Russian ambassador to London has not been given diplomatic access to the Skripals, and that is clearly in direct contravention of the 1965 Vienna convention i.e. the UK is breaking international law by not granting access.

Until such time that this happens the UK governments stance on this whole situation is looking shakier all the time, and the Russians can quite legitimately keep raising awkward questions or sowing seeds of disbelief (depending upon your opinion).

It is also interesting to note that when the situation is reversed the UK government spares no effort to tell everyone how the Russians are not complying with various conventions.

Originally Posted by Listerman

Your entitled to your opinion, but the fact of the matter remains that the Russian ambassador to London has not been given diplomatic access to the Skripals, and that is clearly in direct contravention of the 1965 Vienna convention i.e. the UK is breaking international law by not granting access.

I don't suppose it's occurred to you that he might not want to meet the people that tried to kill him?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I don't suppose it's occurred to you that he might not want to meet the people that tried to kill him?

If this was the case he surely would like to meet anybody else (of the good people), won't he? And to have series of beautiful pictures how he is leaving the hospital, the daughter awaiting him with flowers, he is looking forward to having a beer with her again in a pub behind the corner, etc.

So, we will not have at least one picture of him like the one of Alexander Litvinenko on the death bed? Pity that the people around him did not have a smart phone to have more pictures that our 'arry can show us again, time by time...

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I don't suppose it's occurred to you that he might not want to meet the people that tried to kill him?

It did, and the Russian ambassador also noted the same. But that does not change the fact that the Russians are entitled to speak with them under this convention. If only for the Skripals to tell them to rotate on their middle finger.

Obviously complying with the law in this regard is the last thing the British government is going to do. As it is likely to raise another load of awkward questions, which further challenges Teresa May's narrative to date.

As before, and until the British government complies with international law, no one knows what the true situation is.