Thread: Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance

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March 12, 2018
Theresa May's "45 Minutes" Moment

Today the British government made some dubious assertions about Saddam's chemical weapons the poisoning of its double agentSergej Skripal.

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The British Prime Minister Theresa May claimed (saved tweet) in Parliament that:

• Sergej Skripal and his daughter were poisoned with a military grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia.
• The nerve agent was part of a group of agents known as 'Novichok'.
• Russia has previously produced the agent and would still be capable of doing so.
• Russia has a record of conducting state sponsored assassinations.
• The British government assesses that Russia views some defectors as legitimate targets.
• The British government concluded that it is highly likely that Russia was responsible for the act against Sergej and Yulia Skripal.

May went on to claim that:

• This was either a direct act by the Russian State against the United Kingdom or
• the Russian government lost control of the nerve agent and let it fall into the hands of others.

I find all of the above claims not only dubious but laughable. Here are some facts:
Novichok, 'newcomers' in English, are a zoo of chemical warfare agents that were developed in the Soviet Union in the 1970s and 80s. Some of the 'newcomers' are said to be highly toxic.

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The existence of these chemical agents was disclosed in 1992. Russia joined the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on their Destruction in 1997. It has since (unlike the U.S.) destroyed all left over stocks from the Soviet Union's chemical weapon program. It does not produce chemical weapons.
These agents and their formulas are not an exclusively Russian knowledge or product:

One of the key manufacturing sites was the Soviet State Scientific Research Institute for Organic Chemistry and Technology (GosNIIOKhT) in Nukus, Uzbekistan. Small, experimental batches of the weapons may have been tested on the nearby Ustyurt plateau. It may also have been tested in a research centre in Krasnoarmeysk near Moscow. Since its independence in 1991, Uzbekistan has been working with the government of the United States to dismantle and decontaminate the sites where the Novichok agents and other chemical weapons were tested and developed.

The formulas for the various Novichok agents are not a Russian secret. The U.S. and the UK surely know how to make these. The agents are said to be made from simply components used in civil industrial processes. (To qualify any agent as "military grade" is by the way nonsense. Many chemical agents used in civil process are also incredibly deadly.) The Porton Down chemical weapon laboratory of the British military is only some 8 miles away from Salisbury where the Skripals were allegedly poisoned. The British government claims that Porton Down identified the agent allegedly used on the Skripals. The laboratory is surely also capable of producing such stuff, just like similar laboratories in other countries are able to do.
Now lets counter May's claims:

• Novichok agents are claimed to be up to 10 times as toxic as VX. One drop of VX can kill a person. If the Skripals were poisoned with such an highly effective agent how come they are still alive?
• The Soviet Union, not Russia, developed such agents. The main work was done in Uzbekistan. The U.S. helped to dismantled the laboratory.
• Russia is likely able to re-produce such agents but so are many, many other countries.
• What is Russia's "record of state sponsored assassinations"? The British investigation which claimed that "Russia" was somehow involved in the death of MI6 agent Litvinenko is highly dubious. I am not aware of any other cases. There is a long standing protocol to never bother spies that have been exchanged in a spy-swap.
• If Russia sees "some defectors" as legitimate targets why does it not immediately kill them? Skripal was living openly in the UK since 2010. Why would Russia kill him at all and why now?

Given the above it is absurd to conclude that it is "highly likely" that Russia was responsible. If someone is run-over by a BMW is it"highly likely" that the German government is responsible for it?
The real likeliness for that is just as high as the likeliness that Saddam could hit the UK with a chemical weapon missile within 45 minutes. That was a fraudulent claim another British government once made.
May's claims today are just as believable as the all nonsense Tony Blair said about Saddam or as the show U.S. Secretary of State Powell delivered in front of the UN Security Council.

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More likely is an involvement of Skripal in the Steele dossier and the CIA/MI6 operation against Donald Trump. Was he assailed because he threatened to talk about it?

...still chuckling over your "source", thanks......you rt/swampblog dementos are always good for a laugh...

Originally Posted by tomcat

...still chuckling over your "source", thanks......you rt/swampblog dementos are always good for a laugh...

And vice versa

Apparently the daughter is recovering somewhat. Will be interesting to hear what she has to say, if coherent.

Originally Posted by OhOh

You have raised an interesting point.

I will be much more discrete when posting here. Thank you for your own, the sites owners or possibly legal advice.

I suggest all posts are run past 3 Internationally renowned and eminent Thai lawyers by the mods and obtain the lawyer's opinion and case citations. Just to ensure they cannot be accused of posting lies and hence prosecuted for defamation of character, emotional distress ........

Put it to the owners and post their decision here for us all to see and change the character of the site.

^ More waffle and more deflection.

What is the source for the 25 mile allegation/claim? Who alleges it?

^ OhDoh exposed as a fraud again. Not the first time he has been caught posting bullshit.

I am happy that he challenges the official narrative and it's up to him if he posts bullshit sourced from others (if he posts where he actually sourced the bullshit). But when he refuses to post the source of allegations or claims that he posts, it makes it appear that the allegation/claim/bullshit comes from OhOh himself, which has the stench of lies, fake news and trolling about it.

Originally Posted by Neverna

I am happy that he challenges the official narrative and it's up to him if he posts bullshit sourced from others (if he posts where he actually sourced the bullshit).

Challenging the narrative is always a good thing but using as you mentioned bullshit (usually state sponsored propaganda) sources does nothing to convince most of us. It just comes down to more time wasted on his part as people tend to skip his posts/threads because of said bullshit.

Originally Posted by Neverna

it makes it appear that the allegation/claim/bullshit comes from OhOh himself

Then there is that.

Originally Posted by Neverna

It is therefore an allegation according to your post.

Are you sure? Have you obtained a legal ruling on that post?

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ OhDoh exposed as a fraud again

Originally Posted by bsnub

but using as you mentioned bullshit

Originally Posted by Neverna

fake news and trolling about it.

I suggest you both read the updated post No.602 and consider what you both are alleging against me, personally, the web site owners and possibly for anybody who desires to do so, many other instances of possibly illegal assertions.

If we are all here subjected to such behaviour, by others who have differing opinions, it may change the character of the site. In my opinion.

Originally Posted by OhOh

I suggest you both read the updated post No.602

Life really is far too short, and you are clearly neither enlightening nor amusing.

Since you can't do 'thought provoking' either that's pretty much a busted flush.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
It is therefore an allegation according to your post.

Are you sure?

Absolutely:

Originally Posted by OhOh

He, allegedly, is employed by another town police force some 25 MILES AWAY.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Life really is far too short

Indeed it is.

Any mentioning of the alleged Skripal's intention to return back to his motherland?

Similar as was the silly intention of the poor guy Boris Berezovsky who even allegedly provided a humble letter to his friend Putin. However, once the letter signed a rope was tied up to his golden chandelier...

Well, it is not necessary to state that the letter was "allegedly" provided to Putin, since it's a fact that it was handed over, if it was signed by Putin.

But, if something is "alleged", one might be curious who it is alleged by, to investigate further.

DS Bailey did a spell at HQ in Devises, 25 miles away. He then went back to work in Salisbury CID. The guy has worked in the police force for over 15 years, mostly in Salisbury, a city he is very familiar with.

You can put your tin foil hats back on now...

^ Well done, Troy. If only OhOh could be as helpful.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ripal-improves

Bailey joined the force in 2002 and he knew Salisbury city centre well, having worked there as a member of the neighbourhood policing team.

He became a detective constable and single-handedly worked on the case of Arthur Bonner, who sexually assaulted multiple victims over four decades between the early 1970s and 2014.

After Bonner was jailed for 14 years, Bailey was awarded a chief constable’s certificate of excellence.

Bailey was transferred to Wiltshire’s force headquarters in Devizes before being moved back to Salisbury CID, where he worked on thefts, robberies and assaults.

From my understanding DS Bailey supposedly came into contact with the nerve agent when he went to the Ruskies house. He never went to the park. So why is this guy being hailed as a hero. 2 other police officers attended the Ruskies at the park and it's claimed they were mildly in contact with the nerve agent when giving first aid. So why aren't they hero's? This story stinks.

Originally Posted by Neverna

^ Well done, Troy. If only OhOh could be as helpful.

A link to his source, as required in World News?

Originally Posted by Neverna

where he worked on

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Would you believe a MSM source controlled by the Jews?

Originally Posted by Neverna

I am happy that he challenges the official narrative and it's up to him if he posts bullshit sourced from others (if he posts where he actually sourced the bullshit). But when he refuses to post the source of allegations or claims that he posts, it makes it appear that the allegation/claim/bullshit comes from OhOh himself, which has the stench of lies, fake news and trolling about it.

I agree it is good to have an alternative view point. But it should be backed up by credible sources. R.T. is about as credible as Fox news. For that matter just about any Russia based news source has been compromised by Czar Vlad.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

R.T. is about as credible as Fox news

...rt correspondents OhOh and Friends may disagree...

Originally Posted by tomcat

...rt correspondents OhOh and Friends may disagree...

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow
R.T. is about as credible as Fox news
...rt correspondents OhOh and Friends may disagree...

When RT claims that 1+1 = 2, I am laughing.

When BBC claims 1+1 is highly likely 3, I take it ...