Thread: Hostages held in siege in Martin Place, Sydney in lockdown

07.32 Several people have been taking 'selfies' from the scene of the siege in Sydney's business district, while others have reportedly turned up with cans of beer to watch events unfold:

class.

Originally Posted by taxexile

07.32 Several people have been taking 'selfies' from the scene of the siege in Sydney's business district, while others have reportedly turned up with cans of beer to watch events unfold:

class.

Why not? Beats sitting at home watching it on the telly.

Tickertape says gunman has been ID'd and is known to police.

It ain't real unless you have uploaded a selfie on Facebook or twatted on Twitter. The world has gone mad and increasingly a parody of itself.

Unfortunately, the problem is that in dealing with these random acts of murderous stupidity perpetrated by disaffected, inadequates adding a spurious substance to their otherwise pointless and utterly futile little insignificant lives, governments over react and try to outdo each other in rhetoric and draconian legislation in the misplaced belief we are the better protected.

Ah well, inshallah.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Tickertape says gunman has been ID'd and is known to police.

Which sorta says nothing and everything really.

hostage escapes 'into the arms of a police officer'



Sydney siege: Five emerge from Martin Place Lindt cafe, unknown number of hostages still held by 'armed offender' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://twitter.com/_AdamTodd/status...928640/photo/1

Well, the chap who rang round to get agreement to that PR from all the signatories must have been very busy.
Amazing what one can do in such a short period of time.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Necron99

Tickertape says gunman has been ID'd and is known to police.

Which sorta says nothing and everything really.

I think it's positive. If he's "known to police" it may be more likely that he's a local nutcase rather than a terrorist. Also, if the cops have dealt with him before, that should help in predicting his likely behavior, knowing if the bomb threats are likely to be real, etc.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Necron99

Tickertape says gunman has been ID'd and is known to police.

Which sorta says nothing and everything really.

I think it's positive. If he's "known to police" it may be more likely that he's a local nutcase rather than a terrorist. Also, if the cops have dealt with him before, that should help in predicting his likely behavior, knowing if the bomb threats are likely to be real, etc.

I think it quite curious you seem to make the distinction between a nutcase and a terrorist. This is of course a cultural thing and probably more prevalent in the US than say in the UK. Although our government and police like the nomenclature most of us don't actually think of them as anything other than a bunch of twats.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Necron99

Tickertape says gunman has been ID'd and is known to police.

Which sorta says nothing and everything really.

I think it's positive. If he's "known to police" it may be more likely that he's a local nutcase rather than a terrorist. Also, if the cops have dealt with him before, that should help in predicting his likely behavior, knowing if the bomb threats are likely to be real, etc.

Sydney is Muzzie central in Oz. There have been numerous and ongoing investigations and arrests for plots and IS funding/recruitment over the last few months. 2 were arrested in Sydney this morning.



^^ That's nice Willy, I'd be more impressed if all the Imams and Mullahs came down and offered to trade themselves for a hostage each.

Originally Posted by Necron99

^^ That's nice Willy, I'd be more impressed if all the Imams and Mullahs came down and offered to trade themselves for a hostage each.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Well, the chap who rang round to get agreement to that PR from all the signatories must have been very busy.
Amazing what one can do in such a short period of time.

Seems they are really worried about the backlash from the general community when they released that in a hurry,move along, nothing to see here type of crap.
Never have seen any similar statements when past raids to round up the riff raff from
committing terrorist crimes were held.
Maybe the coffee shop served non halal drinks and food and did not pay for a halal
certificate and that pissed these nutter/s off.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I think it quite curious you seem to make the distinction between a nutcase and a terrorist. This is of course a cultural thing and probably more prevalent in the US than say in the UK. Although our government and police like the nomenclature most of us don't actually think of them as anything other than a bunch of twats.

I find it curious that you keep tarring me with the American cultural brush, when I haven't lived there in 40 years.

A terrorist has a goal. To blow up the place, kill everyone, become a martyr, send a message, etc.

A nutcase has voices in his head saying he's a bad puppy and mummy won't give him any sweets.

They generally act/react differently.

Originally Posted by Looper

hostage escapes 'into the arms of a police officer'

lucky bastard.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

A terrorist has a goal. To blow up the place, kill everyone, become a martyr, send a message, etc.

A nutcase has voices in his head saying he's a bad puppy and mummy won't give him any sweets.

That's quite a vague differential.

The problem is, these johnnies have no discernible aim, goal or objective other than the act of killing for its own sake because it is the right way to serve Allah.They are twats.

A politically motivated person resorting to terrorism to achieve an objective rooted in an established conflict is quite sane and has generally considered the effect of his actions viz PLO, IRA, Mau-Mau, Black Panthers, Chechens etc etc.

In the main, if not all, the so-called terrorists perpetrating their nonsense in the UK and in Australia are stupid, disaffected, incoherent or just plain addled twats.

Criminals really, but ' terrorists '?? Nah, just idiots, most of whom are frightened of what their mums will say when they get caught and banged up.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

these johnnies have no discernible aim, goal or objective other than the act of killing for its own sake because it is the right way to serve Allah.

Oxymoron ?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

the Islamic communities need to become more involved and take more responsibility

why?

how?

Do you think they are not trying to tell these morons not to do it.

Muslim community 'shocked' by Sydney cafe siege, say 'misguided' individuals misrepresenting faith

Sydney's Muslim community say they are horrified by the cafe siege and deeply concerned about individuals using spiritual realities for their "misguided political agendas".



The UN Alliance of Civilisations' Aftab Malik, who also works as a scholar-in-residence at the Lebanese Muslim Association in Lakemba in south-west Sydney, said he was shocked by what has taken place.

"My reaction is one of shock, horror, aversion and of deep concern," Mr Malik said.

"I feel the Muslim community has been facing a series of unfortunate events.

They're bankrupt individuals using these very lofty spiritual ideals to justify and endorse their misguided ways.

Aftab Malik, Lebanese Muslim Association

"Like anyone else they are deeply concerned how it's a possibility that yet again their faith has been dragged through the mud by a group of young individuals who represent no one but themselves."

Mr Malik said both the Muslim community and the wider public should wait for more clarity.

"We have a lot more questions than answers and we must be patient and allow hard facts to emerge before we jump to any conclusions," he said.
"We need to avoid wild speculation and use sensitive language to avoid any tensions escalating."

Mr Malik said the black flag used in the hostage situation contained the Muslim testimony of faith.
"The Shahada literally means the testimony of faith and Muslims believe it is a transcendental truth," he said.

Explained: Flag used in Sydney siege



The flag displayed during the siege at a Sydney cafe is not the same one used by the Islamic State terrorist group. Find out more.

"We're seeing a branding war taking place amongst various extreme groups Jabhbat al-Nusra, Al Qaeda and the offshoots and now we have [the Islamic State militant group].

"They're using very powerful spiritual realities and being misappropriated for their misguided political agendas.
"What we're seeing is a group of individuals trying to create Islam to be synonymous with barbarism and death.

"They're bankrupt individuals using these very lofty spiritual ideals to justify and endorse their misguided ways."

Muslim community 'shocked' by Sydney cafe siege, say 'misguided' individuals misrepresenting faith - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

^^ Well, Willy, yes and no.

Having worked in Oman, I'm of the opinion that: 1) the folks are very nice; 2) they believe (and stated to me) that everywhere in the world will become Islamic one day; 3) their religion is more important to them than the laws and institutions of non-Islamic nations.

Also, when I lived next to a mosque in Thonglor, most of the time the local Muslim folk were very nice and decent towards me, but, every now and again, they would come out of the mosque and look at me with hatred in their eyes; clearly hate preaching had been taking place in their community (at the mosque, i.e. the very heart of their community).

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by zygote1

criminals

exactly what they are - criminals.

The minute that prick put a bandana around his forehead he became a muslim terrorist.

Just do the world a favour and martyr the fuckers.

He was a Muslim terrorist long before the bandana.

Going on 12 hrs now. Keep him from going postal for a few more hours and he'll nod off.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Not me.

It's in News, and lots of posts have been deleted. I have gotten that message before while trying to open a post that was in the process of being 'modded'.

I have gotten that post also and the post never shows up.