Thread: Hostages held in siege in Martin Place, Sydney in lockdown

Islam is by no means a religion of peace.

Man Haron Monis acted as "lone wolf". but was spawned and brought up in an ethic of hatred.

Hatred towards anything other than his violent version of spirituality

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spot on

he was not a disaffected immigrant or a lone wolf, he was a muslim holding the view that he was a victim and entitled to carry out allahs wishes on uncleam and inferior infidels.

with his history, it is surprising that he was allowed to be freely living in society and had not been incarcerated in the australian version of guantanamo bay where he belonged, but liberal societies are no place for the primitive, the uncivilised and the muslim.

it really is time for western societies to kick out those who refuse to play by the rules, send them back to the backward shitholes they originated from so they can inbreed with their cousins in peace.

it will never happen of course, christians havent got the stomach for it, they just turn the other cheek, scared of offending them and let themselves be bullied by the incessant demands of this awful creed.

I share your views on the matter.

Tolerance is a great thing, allowing people of diverse beliefs and lifestyles to live harmoniously together as neighbours.

It happens sometimes in places like Little India in Singapore or Varansi in India, where all religions and cultures mix and live peacefully together.

Even Islam.

But once Muslims get it into their heads (usually at Friday prayers after the Imam has directed them), they become a bunch of one-eyed fascists with a two way death wish.

The power of indoctrination wielded by Islam's mad mullahs is something no other religion can equal, far more powerful than any Papal urgeings to recant and "cast out the devil" etc or other xenophobic branding by glorious leaders to turn against anyone and anything that does not conform to their isolated world view.

Hate preaching and ridicule of anything non-Islamic is common practice at a mosque.

What the Imam there says is treated as holy writ, so unarguable against.

Since it's the men who are harangued on a weekly indoctrination there, they can in turn harangue their families at the Friday evening meal with the latest instructions on jihad(effort) on how to be a "good" Muslim.

No one can argue against the head of the house in his messenger role for the Imam, so the brainwashing continues without any check.

Couple all the above to a tendency to consanguinuity in their culture, there doesn't seem to be much hope that Muslim people can ever achieve any state of enlightenment.

So basically he was facing a long prison stretch and decided to go out in style. The biggest shame in all of this, which I note is not being focused upon at all by the media, government mouth pieces, muslim bashers is this simple question;

Accessory to the brutal murder of his wife, and up in court about 40 sex attacks. What the fuck was he doing out on the streets? The blood of that brave man Tori Johnson and the others are firmly resting at the door of the cops and the judiciary system that let this lunatic roam the streets.

It seems that as usual, psychos of this nature simple use religious zealotry as an excuse, as an explanation, as a defense for their real motivations - they are dangerous psychos that need locking up or hanging. This has nothing to do with islam at all.

No matter the failures of the justice system in Aus , due process is a lot better than we might hope to get here.
Interesting to note , tho not sure of its accuracy , is the weapon the muzzie used .
A shotgun ? Sounds very true blue and testament to Australian gun laws that it wasn't a military style automatic .
No where new as easy to get hold of a serious weapon in Aus without help.

Originally Posted by shaggersback

No matter the failures of the justice system in Aus , due process is a lot better than we might hope to get here.

So to be clear, you think that a man involved in the murder of his wife and 40 odd sexual assault should be allowed to roam freely? Especially one with previous convictions as well?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

It seems that as usual, psychos of this nature simple use religious zealotry as an excuse, as an explanation, as a defense for their real motivations - they are dangerous psychos that need locking up or hanging. This has nothing to do with islam at all.
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That may be true if these were more isolated incidents but they are playing out globally at a rapidly increasing pace. It becomes more and more clear that this behavior is being encouraged and maybe even orchestrated from inside the local mosque.

Not really zygote. If someone is a suspect in 40 sexual assaults there is a high chance he did it. One might be a mistake. Two very unfortunate. 40?

I am all for locking up dangerous psychos where as the agenda seems to be to let the run free as it suits the muslim bashing which is the excuse for increasing tyranny in the west.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Not really zygote. If someone is a suspect in 40 sexual assaults there is a high chance he did it. One might be a mistake. Two very unfortunate. 40?

I am all for locking up dangerous psychos where as the agenda seems to be to let the run free as it suits the muslim bashing which is the excuse for increasing tyranny in the west.

I don't think they can lock people up based on the fact there's a 'high chance he did it'.

Smeg would be securely locked up by now if that were the case.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by pseudolus

It seems that as usual, psychos of this nature simple use religious zealotry as an excuse, as an explanation, as a defense for their real motivations - they are dangerous psychos that need locking up or hanging. This has nothing to do with islam at all.
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That may be true if these were more isolated incidents but they are playing out globally at a rapidly increasing pace. It becomes more and more clear that this behavior is being encouraged and maybe even orchestrated from inside the local mosque.

Agreed.

Without the encouragement or at least the tacit approval of an Imam at a mosque these horrendous acts of human sacrifice to and for an insane bloodthirsty "god" wouldn't occur at the rate we've been seeing in the last few years,...they wouldn't occur at all!

Originally Posted by Koojo

I don't think they can lock people up based on the fact there's a 'high chance he did it'.

Getting locked up on suspicion (without bail) is a common enough practice in the west.

Originally Posted by Koojo

I don't think they can lock people up based on the fact there's a 'high chance he did it'.

Right. So when they are charged which is the normal procedure for someone to then move to a court case, as he was, there is a a committal hearing which jumps the case up from the small court to the bigger court, during which BAIL can be applied for. He was RELEASED on BAIL.

Are you really that fucking stupid that you do not know how the court system works in Aus? Never heard of BAIL before? Do you think that all people who go to court are left wondering about prior to their court case?

Seems the UK press are asking this very simple question now.

Why was Sydney siege 'hate sheikh' Man Haron Monis at large? - Telegraph

He was also on bail accused of being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife, and for 40 counts of sexual assault and indecency.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

muslim bashing

To you any criticism of islam at all is muslim bashing.

Originally Posted by ENT

Without the encouragement or at least the tacit approval of an Imam at a mosque

Bruce Lee murdered 26 people. The Flint Journal article says "Bible reading was his only consolations" and he quoted the bible saying "Matthew 6, verse 24 no servant can be a serve of two masters."

David Berkowitz (Corbis) called the SON OF SAM, murdered more than 10 women. The newspaper said "He called himself a born again Christian"

Berwid The article in the Flint Journal quotes him "I was searching the bible and soul searching and I decided God wanted me to do that."

The Yorkshire Rapier "was on a divine mission and felt he had been chosen to hear the word of GOD (JESUS)." Reported the Flint Journal. He murdered 11 girls.

Miller a serial killer had that thing called faith, believed in Jesus. The Flint Journal article says he was always carrying the Bible.

Sampson Kanderayi, a mass murderer called The Ax Killer, killed more than 30 people. The newspaper reported "he did it to appease evil spirits." He was a Christian

Watts, The Sunday Morning Slasher killed 11 women. This article says he did it "to eliminate evil spirits".

Jeffery Dahmer is a typical serial killer. He killed more than 23 young men and eat many of them.

So, are you saying that these people had the encouragement or at least the tacit approval of the local bishop? The Priest? The POPE? Are they all in a conspiracy through the christian church to murder people?

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by pseudolus

muslim bashing

To you any criticism of islam at all is muslim bashing.

Actually not really. Islam, like Christianity and all the other made up religions used to generate profits and keep the masses on their knees is a load of shit. So to criticise all religions is just and right. However, what is happening is that fear of islam is the wool being pulled over our eyes. If this bloke was a christian with a crucafix, and quoting the bible, would everyone be out on the streets asking for Death to All Christians? Ban Christianity? Invade Rome and the Vatican?

This bloke was a psycho who was let out on bail when he shouldn't have been. Nothing to do with his religion and everything to do with the fact that he was a psycho.

thing is pseudolus, the muslim psychos in western society only seem to have it in for us filthy infidels, whereas other run of the mill psychos arent really bothered about the beliefs of their victims.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

If this bloke was a christian with a crucafix, and quoting the bible

Well he wasn't and Christians are not doing these things all over the world. That is a copout and a totally bogus comparison.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Nothing to do with his religion and everything to do with the fact that he was a psycho.

So are all the muslims who have and will commit similar acts just a bunch of psychos then?

Originally Posted by taxexile

thing is pseudolus, the muslim psychos in western society only seem to have it in for us filthy infidels, whereas other run of the mill psychos arent really bothered about the beliefs of their victims.

Nail on the head...

Originally Posted by bsnub

So are all the muslims who have and will commit similar acts just a bunch of psychos then?

Difficult to answer. Are they any different to the western soldiers, mostly christian, praying to god each night, saying god is on their sides, murdering thousands of muslims around the world because their leaders tell them to? The torturers, the assassins, the bombers in their planes and operating drones? They believe in something and they go and commit atrocities and feel righteous in doing so? Just because the west sets a definition of an army and therefore says it is OK, does not mean right is on their side. People are still dead.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Christians are not doing these things all over the world.

Yes they are - millions dead because of this. Every day hundreds of muslims murdered by fanatical christian zealots with complete justification from their preachers and imans, aka politicians, generals, media moguls. You might see the difference, but I certainly don't.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by pseudolus

muslim bashing

To you any criticism of islam at all is muslim bashing.

what is happening is that fear of islam is the wool being pulled over our eyes..

Islamophobia, or a xenophobic view of Islam isn't quite the right description of what I or many others feel.

I (and others) have a deep dis-respect for and revulsion of Islam, it's got nothing to do with fear.

How can anyone support the cult of human sacrifice that is Islam?

We think Abraham was a nutter for wanting to sacrifice his son Isaac to a mysterious Jehovah, ....it's the same deal in modern Islam,....the killing of innocents in order to curry favour off a mysterious god that Muslims call Allah.

Primitive?

Too right, and no Islamic apologist can convince me of otherwise.

Originally Posted by bsnub

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Originally Posted by taxexile
thing is pseudolus, the muslim psychos in western society only seem to have it in for us filthy infidels, whereas other run of the mill psychos arent really bothered about the beliefs of their victims.
Nail on the head...

I refer the honourably gentlemen to my previous answer. This board is testement to the hatred that has been generated to one group of people. No doubt all those calling for muslim people to be wiped out are decent people and yet they are probably decent god fearing individuals, excepting pro israel psychos who are actively supporting genocide based upon race.

Originally Posted by ENT

the killing of innocents in order to curry favour off a mysterious god that Muslims call Allah.

Is this worse than the killing of innocents so a few rich can get richer?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Yes they are - millions dead because of this. Every day hundreds of muslims murdered by fanatical christian zealots with complete justification from their preachers and imans, aka politicians, generals, media moguls. You might see the difference, but I certainly don't.

Give an example.

I don't mean a blanket statement like, "These troops are Xtians because they
re British or US soldiers" type of excuse.

What about Russians? Atheists? Chinese is that a religion?

Nation based fascism is almost as evil, but Islam takes the biscuit for it's sheer arrogance and complete devotion to a god that demands death for non-believers.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

the killing of innocents in order to curry favour off a mysterious god that Muslims call Allah.

Is this worse than the killing of innocents so a few rich can get richer?

Probably, as killing innocents simply because of a belief in a non-existent god is a total insanity.

Murdering innocents for wealth comes a close second, not quite as senseless as killing for an imaginary spook in the sky.

Originally Posted by ENT

Give an example.

I don't mean a blanket statement like, "These troops are Xtians because they
re British or US soldiers" type of excuse.

So give an example, but I am not allowed to use the actual answer which is factually correct, because if I was allowed to use that then you might have to reassess? So when Obama was saying that "god is on our side" and "gods guiding hand" he was not referring to his religion? He was not saying that murdering muslims is gods will? That the people dropping the bombs will not think they are doing gods work?

This is balls sorry to say, and I see through it, as do all the muslims in the world who are clearly pissed off with christians invading their countries, bombing and killing their families, saying publicly that the christian god is on their side.

The guy who killed these poor people in the coffee shop was a psychopath. A murderer and a sex beast. Its very easy to say "oh the muslims did it" but in reality one man did it and if you are going to tar 1B people, condemn them to death, because of the actions of this guy, then you need to hold the same standard for the list of christian serial killers I listed above who say that god and the baby jesus were telling them to kill.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

the killing of innocents in order to curry favour off a mysterious god that Muslims call Allah.

Is this worse than the killing of innocents so a few rich can get richer?

Probably, as killing innocents simply because of a belief in a non-existent god is a total insanity.

Murdering innocents for wealth comes a close second, not quite as senseless as killing for an imaginary spook in the sky.

Disagree. The people who kill for their imaginary religions believe in something. Those that kill for someone elses wealth do so through being pig ignorant, and being cheered on by pig ignorant wankers. If there is a devil, then this is clearly his work.