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    I don't see how crying to the UN will do any good.

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    You can bet there will be a full-court press by the mainly pro-PAD Thai UN staff to cook something up to avoid it happening though.. One of the most senior people in the place is the daughter of Anand (a former Thai military appointed PM and establishment figure).
    My mind is not for rent to any God or Government, There's no hope for your discontent - the changes are permanent!

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    There are a lot of problems with some of these groups in Thailand. I had some business with the Greenpeace office... exactly what you'd expect from monied up Thais, not what you'd consider Greenpeace to be about...

    I've been in the offices of a few of these places down by Phra Athit, and it's yellow city down there. Former royal residences 'given over' to these various international bodies, and full of 'nice conected Thai families' milking them for all they're worth...

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    Yes the Thai NGOs are not neutral, nor are they acting on behalf of the disposesed. They are part of the elite system - that's pretty clear now. It's why the international NGOs have a problem here. They only have enough dosh to hire a "Thai local" as their spokesperson and director. Of course they need to have internationals here - as the locals are either pro-yellow, or too afraid to deliver what's expected, but the headquarters are either too stupid to understand the system here, or too cheap to pay for an international to do the job. So the system has been manipulated in true amart fasion. It's kind of like the Borg in startrek...you cannot escape the amart's grip

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) was tasked with investigating the deaths of the two journalists and those of some 89 Thai nationals who also died in clashes and crackdowns between April 10 and May 19.

    "From the autopsies we can conclude that both died from high-speed bullets," DSI Deputy Director General Naras Savestanan told a press conference.

    "But we still don't know who killed them," Naras said.

    Autopsies on 89 Thais, including 11 policemen and soldiers, confirmed that all had died from bullet wounds.

    Both sides, soldiers and protestors, were using war weapons in the Bangkok street fighting, the bloodiest seen in the capital in decades.

    13/10/2010

    Somchai Hom-laor, another panel member, said he was told by the Department of Special Investigation that the autopsy results of the 89 people killed during the clashes in Bangkok were unlikely to establish how the killings took place and who was responsible for them.

    Several pieces of evidence, such as bullet shells, had disappeared from clash sites, he said.

    Bangkok Post : Red shirts get the blues in protest aftermath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    Yes the Thai NGOs are not neutral, nor are they acting on behalf of the disposesed. They are part of the elite system - that's pretty clear now. It's why the international NGOs have a problem here. They only have enough dosh to hire a "Thai local" as their spokesperson and director. Of course they need to have internationals here - as the locals are either pro-yellow, or too afraid to deliver what's expected, but the headquarters are either too stupid to understand the system here, or too cheap to pay for an international to do the job. So the system has been manipulated in true amart fasion. It's kind of like the Borg in startrek...you cannot escape the amart's grip
    LOL!
    Just look at the AI Thailand chapter! Must have been a bit of an embarrassment to have third country chapters investigating the Thai chapter because they said all was hunky dory during the whole red shirt thing.


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    HRW too. Same Same. I also posted somewhere else the other day about some little known UN agency (disaster planning or some such) that named the Bangkok Governor as some kind of international Ambassador for Disaster Preparedness.

    Bear in mind this is the guy who led the public campaign to sweep away the blood of the dead and injured reds from rajaprasong while their bodies were still warm - and encourage everyone to go shopping again.

    The UN farang bosses were too stupid to realize they'd been duped by local Thai staff who are solid PAD types and proposed this.

    I also heard last night from a friend who works over at the UN in Rajadamnern that the annual UN Day run and other things they planned to do that day would be cancelled out of security concerns. Again, this plays into the hands of the Dems/Cres so they can exageate the "red menace"..

    Taken together, these things reek of Thais working within these organizations or behind the scenes to manipulate the foreign organizations and make it appear that the foreigners agree with Abhisit and Cres handling of affairs in this Thai "crisis"

    Only hire foreigners - more expensive - but necessary in this environment.
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    Bangkok Post : Truth panel wants errant soldiers to be punished

    RED SHIRT RIOTS

    Truth panel wants errant soldiers to be punished
    • Published: 16/10/2010 at 12:00 AM
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    The Truth for Reconciliation Commission will propose the army punish soldiers found to have mishandled violent incidents during the red shirt rallies in April and May.

    "Reconciliation does not just mean letting bygones be bygones but it must be based on a truth that all sides should accept no matter how much that truth hurts them in the end," said Somchai Homla-or, a member of the commission.

    The commission has asked the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) to send commanders of security forces involved in about nine violent incidents to testify to the commission, he said.

    The commission also wants to see security situation reports submitted to Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva during the political unrest.

    Mr Somchai said he believes those documents will contain the actual number of soldiers killed and injured in the clashes, and the number of weapons stolen by the red shirts during the riots.

    An army unit commander who was summoned for questioning said he was only following orders.

    He denied using excessive force, as he said the red shirts were armed.

    "I did my duty to protect the country but I have been questioned and face the risk of being punished despite the fact that I followed orders," he said.

    Army chief Prayuth Chan-ocha yesterday warned the red shirt leaders to ensure a gathering of their supporters in Ayutthaya tomorrow will not get out of hand.

    "If the event gets out of control or turns nasty, the leaders of the gathering must be held responsible," said Gen Prayuth.

    The CRES has decided to notify leaders of the anti-government movement about what they can or cannot do under the law every time they hold a rally, he said.

    The CRES estimates that about 5,000 red shirt supporters from Chiang Mai, Bangkok, and other provinces will attend the Ayutthaya gathering.
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    An army unit commander who was summoned for questioning said he was only following orders.
    This one never gets old, does it?

    But...who gave the orders to massacre those folks in the temple that night?

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    Something's being planned.. The red menace exagerations, the attack on the Dems by the pro-PAD media (esp today's story in the Nation about trying to influence the Court and the video recordings), it's all too convenient to be a series of coincidences. The Dems aren't needed anymore - the Army handover was completed with the pro-PAD guy installed, the ridiculous budget handed the military safely passed and the Dem and coalition and their amart partners have received their cut of the corruption, there's no reason to keep the Government anymore.

    The big question is what are the greedy evil b'tards up to now? I have a feeling we're about to find out soon.

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    http://www.tannetwork.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1036450

    Defense Minister Clarifies Crackdown of Red-Shirt Rally


    UPDATE : 22 October 2010

    During the House session, the defense minister pointed out that the cracking down of the red shirt rally earlier this year was done lawfully and in accordance to the human rights standards, and that those injured have already been compensated.

    Yesterday, the House inquired about the government's crackdown on the red shirt rally earlier this year.

    Roi Et MP Niramit Sujaree from the Pheu Thai Party questioned how the government has been taking responsibility for the deaths and injuries from clashes between the security forces and the anti government protestors.

    Niramit also claimed that the government should have used a peaceful means of resolving the dispute instead of using force which resulted in many losses.


    The Roi Et MP also asked whether or not the government has been able to bring those responsible for the 91 deaths and more than 2,000 injured to justice.

    Defense Minister General Prawit Wongsuwan responded that the government had operated under the Internal Security Act and the Emergency Decree after they were invoked to oversee security.

    He said the government considered applying the extra measures deemed most appropriate at the time, and instructed the authorities to follow such laws strictly to avoid unnecessary losses.

    For example, security authorities were instructed to exercise coordination and negotiations before using force.

    The defense minister also reported that the government has already compensated each of the 25 deaths and 864 injured from the clash that took place on April 10.

    Meanwhile, the property confiscated from the protestors will be returned to their rightful owners once the investigation has been completed.

    Prawit also added that security forces did everything to ensure public security in accordance to the human rights standards.

    He also pointed out that a number of government officials were also killed in the unrest and the matter is now being investigated by many appointed committees.

    Meanwhile, the Department of Special Investigation is carrying on with investigations into the violent incidents.

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    During the House session, the defense minister pointed out that the cracking down of the red shirt rally earlier this year was done lawfully and in accordance to the human rights standards, and that those injured have already been compensated.
    Since when is having live fire zones been in line with human rights standards? What a load of BS. Sorry we had to shot you. Here's a few baht for your troubles.

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    With all these centres of investigation, it's odd that no has found the killers of the journalists..


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    DSI may wrap up probes into 89 deaths this week: Tharit

    The probes into the deaths occurred during the crackdowns on red-shirt protesters in April and May are about to be wrapped up son, the chief of the Department of Special Investigation said Monday.

    DSI Director-General Tharit Pengdit said 12 investigative panels were about to wrap up the probes.

    Tharit said if the investigations are wrapped up this week, the DSI would announce the finding's results on the case-by-case basis.

    The probes would tell who were involved in the deaths, Tharit said.

    nationmultimedia.com

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    "Okay folks, let's Wrap It Up...

    It's closing time, if you didn't get lucky, get lost.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    the DSI would announce the finding's results on the case-by-case basis.
    I am going to take a wild guess and reckon those 12 investigative panels didn't find anybody who shot anybody, well worth the time and money spent on this........

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    [quote=dirtydog;1593704
    .. well worth the time and money spent on this........[/quote]
    Probably was to the amat who made sure they got 30-40% of the money to "initiate the panels" but time to move on, nothing to see here..cook the books and let's go and buy another car for Nong Jek.

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    80 odd dead and not one murderer found, only in Thailand

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    IMO there are only 3 real issues that require investigation.

    1. Who was responsible for the deaths of the 2 journalists?

    2. Who was responsible for the deaths of civilians at the temple?

    3. Who was responsible for the deaths of security forces personnel?


    Not sure if the death of Seh Deng is on the agenda with DSI.


    The remaining civilian deaths would appear to have been caused by the security forces. However, these deaths will probably be declared as lawful if 'rules of engagement' have been complied with.

    If, after investigation, the DSI fail in their task to discover the perpertrators of any of the 3 issues then one might say that they are not fit for purpose. IMO, suspicions arose when the DSI set a deadline for the completion of their investigation.

    Unfortunately, accountability is not a word that is easily recognisible in Thailand and i dare say it may not surprise too many if the issues, like so many others, are swept under the carpet.

    People died, compensation will be paid to assist the families, lets move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    The remaining civilian deaths would appear to have been caused by the security forces. However, these deaths will probably be declared as lawful if 'rules of engagement' have been complied with.
    protester. army sniper. Dead.

    ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    The remaining civilian deaths would appear to have been caused by the security forces. However, these deaths will probably be declared as lawful if 'rules of engagement' have been complied with.
    protester. army sniper. Dead.

    ???










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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaihome View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    The remaining civilian deaths would appear to have been caused by the security forces. However, these deaths will probably be declared as lawful if 'rules of engagement' have been complied with.
    protester. army sniper. Dead.

    ???


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    a big misunderstanding TH, they were simply defending themselves preemptively against the military and police force abuses

    they are innocent !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    The remaining civilian deaths would appear to have been caused by the security forces. However, these deaths will probably be declared as lawful if 'rules of engagement' have been complied with.
    protester. army sniper. Dead.

    ???
    Yes. Dead folk {of any sort}. It's been know to happen in times of war, regardless of such rules of engagement. Butcher, baker, candlestick maker. Shite happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaihome View Post

    Sorry mate, no M79 here. Go watch some real M79's being fired....
    Looks very home made, and would do more damage to the
    guy who is firing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thaihome View Post
    Very spectacular smoke, but nothing more then fireworks. It certainly has a much shorter range and questional ability to do any damage then the assault and sniper rifles the army where using. Where's your footage of that?


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    And? Some tire fires. Absolutely no justification for the use of the Army knowing full well that they are using live ammunition and they have extremely brutal past record.

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