Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

Originally Posted by ltnt

The boys from the UK are simply part of the Charade orchestrated by Number 10, Downing Street. You folks didn't actually think there was any real service to be offered here by the UK diplomatic corp. did you?

The British police were sent at the behest of Cameron to report upon the investigation and to assist.
He has already addressed the House of Commons in those terms and has stated that once the police have reported their findings he will advise the Commons accordingly.

One has to wait and see.

In the meantime, any reports appearing in the Thai English press purportedly quoting the British police as being satisfied with the investigation can be discounted.

The Thai charge d'affaires in London was summoned to the Foreign Office. In diplomatic terms that was a significant step and indicative of Britain's disquiet over the case. Although not specifically stated in the press release, it is probably quite certain that the Foreign Office minister, Hugo Swire, also took the opportunity to register his displeasure at the disgraceful falsehoods attributed to his ambassador, Mark Kent, in which he was alleged to have said he was content with the conduct of the Thai police and that Britain would not seek to intervene in the case. Again, in diplomatic terms, concocting lies and attributing them to plenipotentiaries is considered very poor form.

The endgame has yet to be played out and I suspect the final script is still being drafted.

Apparently the headman's kid was not DNA'd earlier simply because they had taken DNA from the headman and the kid being his son would have the same DNA.

But as has been pointed out, just because there is no DNA match does not discount the person was not the killer.

Regards the Headman, if he and his family are not involved in the murders its not hard to see why he is looking for blood regards all the negative and slanderous posts made on social media connecting him to the murders.

Anyone would be doing the same.

Originally Posted by septimus

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by septimus

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Blows to the back of the head. Ones to the face wouldn't kill her quickly. Though I suppose some may have hit her forehead.
Perhaps I was just wondering how many blows were made ?

Her face was smashed beyond recognition, there was nothing left of it. I know it is a dirty word right now, but I read that they had to use DNA to get a positive ID. She was also posed with her knees up and feet underneath, near her backside also her legs were open and her breasts exposed. This act was most certainly carried out by a monster or monsters. David had a nasty wound to the back of his head, which was open like a flap and a stab wound under his jaw.
I think that is about right?

I would disagree strongly , in fact I would say only one hit was made to Witheridge, it certainly was brutal enough but it was a kill hit, positioned high up, and in no way rendered the face unrecognizable.

I have read every article on this crime, probably twice and no where have I read DNA used to ID her. In fact, where would that identifying DNA come from? There were no relatives in Thailand at the time she was ID'd, which was immediately upon discovery.

And the feet were not under her or near her backside. Her wide open position indicates she was either unconscious when attacked, as there is no defensiveness in her posture, or placed in such a way as to be humiliated

I am so sorry. I bow to your superiority. By the way her legs were not wide open.
sep

They most certainly were, exactly as if she were killed instantly in the act of coitus. I find it evidence she was unconscious when she was bludgeoned, having absolutely no defensive position whatsoever, or as I remarked was placed that way purposefully so has to add further humiliation to her death

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ltnt

The boys from the UK are simply part of the Charade orchestrated by Number 10, Downing Street. You folks didn't actually think there was any real service to be offered here by the UK diplomatic corp. did you?

The fact that the dictator sat with cameron shows there is clearly some large UK corporation(s) looking for some deal in Thailand and this will be simply adding some credibility to the thai junta.

The picture I saw of the exchange had them both standing in a hallway, between meetings apparently, Cameron engaged in his phone his other arm holding a brief folder case, while Prattles was trying to shake his hand. Sorry, I cannot locate the specific photo.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

He has already addressed the House of Commons in those terms and has stated that once the police have reported their findings he will advise the Commons accordingly.

That's funny. He will advise the Commons accordingly. Which will no doubt be received by the other parasites residing in the Parliament as "end of affair."

I can almost hear it now...Hear! hear! Clapping ensued, disgusted faces, frowns and toe dancing...yes indeed a shadow government at its best.

Ridiculous UK presence in this incident. Made more ridiculous by Cameron's gesture.

Good thing it wasn't Americans, Obama would most certainly saw fit to send Bill Clinton here on yet another "Fact Finding Mission."

Or perhaps a Japanese Citizen, who gets his embassy to actually tag along with the Thai police all through the investigation without any complaint by the Thai police or the Thai government...65,000 Japanese live in Thailand with untold monetary connections to businesses in Thailand. Got their case wrapped up in days not months without global pressure.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by septimus

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by septimus

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Blows to the back of the head. Ones to the face wouldn't kill her quickly. Though I suppose some may have hit her forehead.
Perhaps I was just wondering how many blows were made ?

Her face was smashed beyond recognition, there was nothing left of it. I know it is a dirty word right now, but I read that they had to use DNA to get a positive ID. She was also posed with her knees up and feet underneath, near her backside also her legs were open and her breasts exposed. This act was most certainly carried out by a monster or monsters. David had a nasty wound to the back of his head, which was open like a flap and a stab wound under his jaw.
I think that is about right?

I would disagree strongly , in fact I would say only one hit was made to Witheridge, it certainly was brutal enough but it was a kill hit, positioned high up, and in no way rendered the face unrecognizable.

I have read every article on this crime, probably twice and no where have I read DNA used to ID her. In fact, where would that identifying DNA come from? There were no relatives in Thailand at the time she was ID'd, which was immediately upon discovery.

And the feet were not under her or near her backside. Her wide open position indicates she was either unconscious when attacked, as there is no defensiveness in her posture, or placed in such a way as to be humiliated

I am so sorry. I bow to your superiority. By the way her legs were not wide open.
sep

They most certainly were, exactly as if she were killed instantly in the act of coitus. I find it evidence she was unconscious when she was bludgeoned, having absolutely no defensive position whatsoever, or as I remarked was placed that way purposefully so has to add further humiliation to her death

Wow. For sure I must bow to your superiority. Killed instantly in the act of coitus
I find it evidence she was unconscious when she was bludgeoned?
Or as I remarked was placed that way? .......Look again is that not what I said, she was POSED?
I reiterate what I said before, her legs were NOT wide open. Open yes.
Sep

What really surprises me considering I know the murder spot well is that no one heard the attack. ???

Its not that far from the Bar or near by bungalows and on a quiet Koh Tao night a scream or fracas would travel a very long way.

Also there is always random punters going down the beach front for a joint or whatever.

Very strange how two punters could be murdered at that spot and no one heard a thing. ????

^How ya doing Terry?

Unfortunately, being heard/seen and being reported, are two vastly different things mate.

The prime minister has ordered more security guards for Koh Tao Island for the high season.

^ ^

I'm doing fine thanks very much.

But anyone who actually know the murder spot must be wondering the same thing.

How can two people be murdered there without a scream or any noise being heard. ?

I just don't get it, especially given the violence involved.

^ maybe it is not the murder spot?

^

Its the murder spot alright, way to hard to be moving dead bodies around that little Island.

Also take on board that the Parties at AC bar go all through the night with punters wandering off at dawn.

Always someone wandering along that beach, those rocks are a great little spot for a bit of nocturnal activity.

Why not clarify your initial quote of "The AC bar owner did it"...

I hope the UK police have interviewed him..

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by septimus

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by septimus

Originally Posted by YOrlov

I would disagree strongly , in fact I would say only one hit was made to Witheridge, it certainly was brutal enough but it was a kill hit, positioned high up, and in no way rendered the face unrecognizable.

I have read every article on this crime, probably twice and no where have I read DNA used to ID her. In fact, where would that identifying DNA come from? There were no relatives in Thailand at the time she was ID'd, which was immediately upon discovery.

And the feet were not under her or near her backside. Her wide open position indicates she was either unconscious when attacked, as there is no defensiveness in her posture, or placed in such a way as to be humiliated

I am so sorry. I bow to your superiority. By the way her legs were not wide open.
sep

They most certainly were, exactly as if she were killed instantly in the act of coitus. I find it evidence she was unconscious when she was bludgeoned, having absolutely no defensive position whatsoever, or as I remarked was placed that way purposefully so has to add further humiliation to her death

Wow. For sure I must bow to your superiority. Killed instantly in the act of coitus
I find it evidence she was unconscious when she was bludgeoned?
Or as I remarked was placed that way? .......Look again is that not what I said, she was POSED?
I reiterate what I said before, her legs were NOT wide open. Open yes.
Sep

You certainly may bow to my "superiority" at any time you wish.


As we are all speculating, what is your theory for her position? She simply thought it was part of the sex act to have a hoe blade hacked into her skull? Extreme S & M, perhaps? ( btw Miller left one sock on, a bit odd .)

Can you really suppose anyone who was conscious, or maybe I should say not drugged and in charge of their faculties- would not draw up their legs and hands in a defensive posture when such an attack is upon them? Why is it it absurd to theorize she was already unconscious when hacked to death? There is no blood on her hand or lower arms.
Really, what part of my postulation are you disagreeing with?

I bow no longer. You seem to have totally lost the plot.

I am not speculating about her position at all. I saw the photos.
She simply thought it was the sex act. WTF
The one speculation I did make was that she was posed and left that way. Which you did eventually agree with me.
As to whether or not she was conscious, I have never had a thought about. would not draw up their legs and hands in a defensive posture when such an attack is upon them? So are you now saying that she put herself in that position?
when such an attack is upon them?
Why is it it absurd to theorize she was already unconscious when hacked to death? There is no blood on her hand or lower arms. You theorize on what ever you want. Be my guest.

What part of your postulations do I disagree with. As long as they are just yours and you don't try to impose them on me, again feel free. But I would ask you not to jump in on my posts and criticise as you appear to make a habit of doing.
Going back to my original post, someone asked a question, I answered it as I saw it, having SEEN the photos. OK
sep

Originally Posted by septimus

Also from those present that night.

This is the strange thing. Surely one of the tabloids have tracked them down yet nothing at all.

Originally Posted by terry57

But anyone who actually know the murder spot must be wondering the same thing.

How can two people be murdered there without a scream or any noise being heard. ?

A common belief is that Hannah had been drugged or killed rather suddenly with a hoe to the face before being raped.

David came along and in a fight was hit repeatedly with a small fist blade or ring with serrated edge designed to stab, either in the sea (as he drowned) and then taken out, or next to the sea and fell or was thrown in.

All of which wouldn't really include 'screams' as such. Unless you scream during a fist fight.

Originally Posted by Stranger

Originally Posted by terry57

I just don't get it,

Wake up Tel.

Everyone knows who did it, and probably quite a few witnessed/heard it. Either these people have been already paid off, or are too scared to speak up.

Everybody on the island knows the people responsible. As do the local police.

Originally Posted by thailazer

Originally Posted by Rudolph

Originally Posted by Stranger

Originally Posted by terry57

I just don't get it,

Wake up Tel.

Everyone knows who did it, and probably quite a few witnessed/heard it. Either these people have been already paid off, or are too scared to speak up.

Everybody on the island knows the people responsible. As do the local police.

All it takes is one person with a conscience to come forward and tell it to the news people. Yet no one does.......

As they've gotten away with a savage rape and double murder, that was staggeringly violent and is still making the news around the World months later, might offer a slight clue as to why they haven't.

Originally Posted by terry57

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Its the murder spot alright, way to hard to be moving dead bodies around that little Island.

Also take on board that the Parties at AC bar go all through the night with punters wandering off at dawn.

Always someone wandering along that beach, those rocks are a great little spot for a bit of nocturnal activity.

If some felangs were wandering down the beach and they heard some shouts or screams or a violent struggle occurring around the corner or from behind some rocks, they are most likely to turn around and not venture into the area where the noise is coming from

Felang lady in bar talking to some Thais , felang man comes along and talks to felang woman . Felangs and thais argue in the bar . Two felangs walk out and walk over to some rocks . Felangs begin copulating . Thais go over to the rocks , pick up a hoe and give him a whack on the back of the head, he moves and she gets a whack in the face, killing her .Felang man dies in the sea from his wounds .Thais jump on woman, finish, then run away, leaving the scene which was found the following day .

^ you forgot

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