GOP: now & in the future

**Norton** · 21-02-2013, 11:56 AM

The Times They Are A-Changin', Bob Dylan.

(CNN) - Prominent Republicans who support marriage rights for same-sex couples are the focus of a new million-dollar ad campaign that's set to roll out Wednesday. The spot, from the Respect for Marriage Coalition, feature clips of former Vice President Dick Cheney, former first lady Laura Bush, and former Secretary of State Colin Powell all voicing their support for same-sex marriage rights. The ads also use a clip from President Barack Obama's second inaugural address in January.

The group said they would spend $1 million to air the ad, as well as run print ads in major newspapers utilizing the same quotes from the Republicans who back equal marriage rights.

"None of us would want to be told we can't marry the person we love," a narrator says introducing the clips. "That's why a growing majority of Americans believe it's time to allow marriage for gay and lesbian couples."

Bush is shown in a 2010 CNN interview with Larry King saying, "When couples are committed to each other and love each other then they ought to have the same sort of rights that everyone has."

Those remarks came as a surprise at the time, since she appeared to be breaking ranks on the issue with her husband, former President George W. Bush. In 2011, her daughter Barbara appeared in a television spot for another pro-gay marriage group, the Human Rights Campaign.

Wednesday's ad from the Respect for Marriage Coalition also shows Colin Powell, the former Secretary of State under George W. Bush, supporting same-sex marriage in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer from May.
"Allowing them to live together with the protection of law, it seems to me is the way we should be moving in this country," Powell said on CNN's "The Situation Room." That interview reflected a shift for Powell, who was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy was implemented.

A third Republican, former Vice President Dick Cheney, is shown in the spot saying "Freedom means freedom for everyone." Cheney's younger daughter Mary wed her longtime partner Heather Poe in June. They were married in Washington, D.C., which legalized same-sex marriage in 2009.

And a Democrat, President Barack Obama, is shown during his January inauguration address declaring "Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law."

The new ad campaign comes as the Supreme Court prepares to tackle the issue of same-sex marriage this spring. Last year the high court agreed to hear two constitutional challenges to state and federal laws dealing with the recognition of gay and lesbian couples to legally wed.

Oral arguments will be held on March 26 and 27, with a ruling by late June.

Ad spotlights Republican support for gay marriage – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

**misskit** · 21-02-2013, 05:10 PM

^ Laura Bush has already requested her name and image taken off that ad.

**Boon Mee** · 22-02-2013, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Make John Bolton State Department Chief and Allen West head of the Defense Dept and get the country back on track!

And presumably put Michelle Bachman in charge of education. Good luck selling that to the US people.

After the disastrous 8 years of this Obama Administration, the American voting public will be more than happy to elect individuals who support their viewpoints. Remember, America is largely a center/right population. Flyover country people are seldom heard in the news for obvious reasons.

**Norton** · 22-02-2013, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Remember, America is largely a center/right population.

Yes. Only one possible conclusion why Libtard Dems keep winning elections. The bastards are rigging elections.

**Boon Mee** · 22-02-2013, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Remember, America is largely a center/right population.

Yes. Only one possible conclusion why Libtard Dems keep winning elections. The bastards are rigging elections.

Yes, we're sure.

Can't tell if your comment is in jest or serious?

Recall the woman in PA who is bragging she voted for Obama 8 times in the recent election?

It's endemic...

**sabang** · 22-02-2013, 08:54 AM

It's endemic alright.

The media is biased.
The opinion Polls are rigged.
The Factcheckers are biased.
The elections are rigged.

Must be tough out there in the right wing parrallel universe.

**Humbert** · 22-02-2013, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Must be tough out there in the right wing parrallel universe.

Calling it parallel is to give it too much credit.

**Boon Mee** · 22-02-2013, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

It's endemic alright.

The media is biased.
The opinion Polls are rigged.
The Factcheckers are biased.
The elections are rigged.

Must be tough out there in the right wing parrallel universe.

What color is the sky above the world you're living on?

Do you actually sit there with a straight face and type that the media is not biased?
Who do you think has been carrying Obama's H2O for the past 4.25 years?

btw, where did this poster claim that the factcheckers are biased? Or, for that matter, where was the claim that the elections and opinion polls were rigged?

Puting words in someone's mouth is a sign of a good Mod now is it?

**sabang** · 22-02-2013, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Who do you think has been carrying Obama's H2O for the past 4.25 years?

Fox.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

btw, where did this poster claim that the factcheckers are biased? Or, for that matter, where was the claim that the elections and opinion polls were rigged?

You have done so a number of times, although your favorite lament is the 'lamestream media'. For the most recent example, refer to post #555, on this page.

But it ain't really about 'you' on an ad hominem basis. It's about this-

The Danger Of The Republican Denial Of Reality
December 1, 2012 — Ron Chusid
With the conservative movement now firmly under the control of ideological fanatics, the most significant difference between liberals and conservatives is basing opinions (and ultimately public policy) on facts versus ideological wishes. The conservative denial of facts has been seen in many areas, such as false belief of threat of WMD in Iraq justifying war to their mischaracterization of the Affordable Care Act as a government takeover of health care. The recent election highlighted this difference when liberal predictions of the election based upon objective information proved to be far more accurate that conservative predictions which ignored facts. Besides ignoring actual polling data, Romney also showed he was out of touch with reality with his view on the 47 percent and his post-election claim that Democrats voted based upon wanting to get things.

.... … this is the kind of hubris that leads to Iraq-style quagmires: you believe everything that confirms your worldview and disbelieve everything that doesn’t; you get pleasing data stovepiped to yourself, draw conclusions you like, then bump those conclusions even more in your own deluded head.
» The Danger Of The Republican Denial Of Reality Liberal Values

Ideology is one thing, but when it becomes a set of blinkers used to deny reality, and decry realists, that is not a good thing in politics, and certainly not a positive sign for a country. When Bobby Jindal- still a possible republican presidential candidate- turns around and says it's time to stop being the 'party of stuipid', don't you reckon it's time to listen?

**Boon Mee** · 23-02-2013, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Who do you think has been carrying Obama's H2O for the past 4.25 years?

Fox.

That's absurd...

**S Landreth** · 26-02-2013, 03:48 AM

Congress has been out for the past week but that hasn’t prevented the Republicans from doing/saying stoopid things.

GOPs continued War on Women

• The Violence Against Women Act expired at the end of 2012 after House Republicans refused to accept the Senate bill’s protections for LGBT, Native American, and undocumented victims. Though the Senate passed another bipartisan VAWA reauthorization over a week ago, House Republicans may derail passage once again. On Friday, House GOP leaders released their own VAWA bill, stripping protections for LGBT individuals and adding a loophole for Native American victims.: House Republicans Strip Protections From LGBT Victims In New Violence Against Women Act

• Oklahoma already prevents women from using their insurance plans to help cover abortion services, but Republicans aren’t stopping there. One state lawmaker wants to continue stripping insurance coverage for reproductive health services, advancing a measure that would allow employers to refuse to cover birth control for any reason — based solely on the fact that one of his constituents believes it “poisons women’s bodies.”: Oklahoma May Deny Women Affordable Birth Control Because It 'Poisons Their Bodies'

• The Indiana state Senate on Wednesday advanced a bill that would require women to undergo an ultrasound procedure both before and after having a medication-induced abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy.

The Senate Health and Provider Services Committee approved Senate Bill 371 on Wednesday by a vote of 7 to 5, sending it to a full vote in the state Senate. The bill, introduced by state Sen. Travis Holdman (R), imposes heavy regulations on clinics and physicians that offer medication abortions, which are generally used to end a pregnancy up to 10 weeks from a woman's last period.: Double Ultrasound Bill In Indiana Passes Out Of Senate Committee

The GOPs New Outreach Program

• Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) got an earful from his constituents in his home state while defending his bipartisan immigration plan at a town hall.

According to the Associated Press, an "angry crowd" reacted negatively as McCain described his proposal to grant a path to citizenship for many of the country's estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants. From their writeup:

“There are 11 million people living here illegally,” he said. “We are not going to get enough buses to deport them.”

Some audience members shouted out their disapproval.

One man yelled that only guns would discourage illegal immigration. Another man complained that illegal immigrants should never be able to become citizens or vote. A third man said illegal immigrants were illiterate invaders who wanted free government benefits.: McCain Jeered At Town Hall After Opposing Mass Deportation

• INDIANOLA, Iowa — Republicans have offered a number of reasons why they oppose the Violence Against Women Act. Some think it’s unconstitutional. Others argue that it’s just a meaningless bill with a patriotic title.
On Wednesday, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) added a new one: Native Americans supposedly aren’t capable of holding fair trials.: Top GOP Senator: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly

• This week, the Respect for Marriage Coalition launched a new $1 million print and television ad campaign highlighting bipartisan support for marriage equality. Unfortunately, it seems Former First Lady Laura Bush is not happy about being included in the ads, according to a statement obtained by the Dallas Morning News: Laura Bush Objects To Being Quoted Accurately Supporting Marriage Equality

• Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA) — a possible Republican candidate for president in 2016 — rejected former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman’s argument that conservatives must embrace marriage equality for gays and lesbians if they want to survive as a party and reiterated his support for “traditional marriage.”

“Look, I believe in the traditional definition of marriage,” Jindal said during an appearance on Meet The Press on Sunday, and went on to claim that Republicans don’t have to make the case on social issues to attract young voters and win future elections and instead should continue focusing on economic issues.: Bobby Jindal: Republicans Can Continue Discriminating Against Gays And Still Win Elections

Other GOP news

• Tea Party Congressman Louie Gohmert (R-TX) told a conservative radio show on Thursday that the GOP must oppose gun regulations to protect the country from the threat of “Sharia Law.”: Congressman Says Americans Need Guns To Protect The Nation From Sharia Law

• Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) says constituents are telling him that high-capacity magazines should not be banned because people need "at least 50 rounds" to shoot down government drones.: Gohmert Suggests Voters Need 'at Least 50 Rounds' in Magazines to Take Out Drones

• A bill introduced by Montana state Rep. Steve Lavin (r) would give corporations the right to vote in municipal elections: Montana Bill Would Give Corporations The Right To Vote

• Two years ago, nobody would have dreamed that Rick Scott, the multimillionaire political outsider crusading against Obamacare, would end up heading into a re-election campaign looking like the sort of pragmatic, moderate Republican tea party activists loathe.

But that’s where Scott has awkwardly positioned himself — as another politician without clear convictions.: Rick Scott is a dick - MiamiHerald.com

Rick (I’m a dick) Scott trying to keep his job (video below), but I don’t think Scott has much of a chance to keep it. With the latest poll numbers Scott’s approval numbers are at 33% (and that number was before Scott went for Obamacare). I think if the election for the Florida Governor were held today and if Mickey Mouse entered the race as an independent, Mickey would get more votes than Scott. Scott was already seen as a bad seed by most Floridians already and now with his support of some parts of Obamacare, Scott has alienated his crazy tea party base.

**importford** · 26-02-2013, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Who do you think has been carrying Obama's H2O for the past 4.25 years?

Fox.

That's absurd...

it seems like sombody is starting to understand it

there is still hope

**S Landreth** · 27-02-2013, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Rick (I'm a dick and want to keep my job) Scott has had a change of heart

and another one

Chris Christie Joins Growing Number Of GOP Governors Accepting Obamacare's Medicaid Expansion

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has accepted Obamacare’s optional expansion of the Medicaid program, which will extend insurance coverage to an additional 300,000 low-income people in the state. As Republican opposition to the health care reform law finally begins to wane, Christie is the eighth GOP leader to agree to expand the Medicaid program under Obamacare — and the first potential 2016 presidential contender to embrace that provision.

**Storekeeper** · 27-02-2013, 12:49 PM

^ Christie is turning into an interesting candidate after all his blabbering the past few years.

**sabang** · 27-02-2013, 10:47 PM

I think 'we the people' would love him to be the leader and public persona of the GOP. But 'we the people' is not the GOP.

**robuzo** · 27-02-2013, 11:16 PM

May as well just state the obvious- Jon Chait in NY Mag: Conservative economists in academia may care about the distinction between marginal tax rates and effective tax rates. But Republicans in Congress just want rich people to pay less, period. I can state this rule confidently because there is literally not a single example since 1990 of any meaningful bloc of Republicans defying it. - See more at: The Republican Sequestration Plan -- Daily Intelligencer

**barbaro** · 28-02-2013, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

^ Christie is turning into an interesting candidate after all his blabbering the past few years.

Cristie is a possible nominee - if - runs.

I wonder what his intentions are.

After 8 years of one party at the Executive, there is often a change - if someone moderate can get the nominee and be likeable and electable.

**raycarey** · 28-02-2013, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by barbaro

Cristie is a possible nominee - if - runs.

the highest elected office he'll ever hold is the one he has now-- gov. of NJ.

but he's obviously an egomaniac, so let's imagine he decides to run....

he's going to have a hell of a time getting through the primaries. the republicans in iowa aren't going to buy his schtick. he might play well in NH, but he's toast in SC. i suppose he does have a pretty good chance in FL...but super tuesday will be his end....if he even makes it that far.

and where is his financial and institutional support going to come from? he essentially fragged romney the week before the election, and establishment republicans aren't going to forget it.

also worth noting....morbidly obese governers with anger management issues from small mid-atlantic states generally don't get elected president.

**Norton** · 28-02-2013, 09:41 PM

Taft, a 300+ lb Republican from Ohio. The 16th amendment (income tax) passed under him. My how the GOP has changed.

**robuzo** · 28-02-2013, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

he essentially fragged romney the week before the election, and establishment republicans aren't going to forget it.

True, because the Republicans have their own code of "omerta." Loyalty is everything to them. That's what the Hagel ruckus was mostly about.

**raycarey** · 28-02-2013, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by robuzo

That's what the Hagel ruckus was mostly about.

in a surprising moment of candor, McCain flat out said this was the case.

**robuzo** · 01-03-2013, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by robuzo

That's what the Hagel ruckus was mostly about.

in a surprising moment of candor, McCain flat out said this was the case.

Why, that's just his famous straight talk!

**barbaro** · 01-03-2013, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by barbaro

Cristie is a possible nominee - if - runs.

the highest elected office he'll ever hold is the one he has now-- gov. of NJ.

but he's obviously an egomaniac, so let's imagine he decides to run....

You think "egomaniac" applies to Cristie? Seriously, what examples of that do you have.

And, as you and we know (IMO), people that run for potus often fit the 'egomaniac' moniker. It's politics after all.

he's going to have a hell of a time getting through the primaries. the republicans in iowa aren't going to buy his schtick. he might play well in NH, but he's toast in SC. i suppose he does have a pretty good chance in FL...but super tuesday will be his end....if he even makes it that far.

You're making a lot of predictions. Fair enough.

IMO, I think that the GOP cannot contend without a moderate.

And of course, the primaries can ease out a moderate (SC as you note) to the detriment of winning nationally.

and where is his financial and institutional support going to come from? he essentially fragged romney the week before the election, and establishment republicans aren't going to forget it.

I think the establishment would support him.

also worth noting....morbidly obese governers with anger management issues from small mid-atlantic states generally don't get elected president.

Wow. You've really got some personal against Cristie.

**Humbert** · 01-03-2013, 11:29 AM

Chris Crisco was the anointed one until he actually acknowledged Obama's help during the hurricane Sandy crisis. The ultra conservative wing of the party now considers him a turncoat. He will never gain enough support from those who hold the power within the party's leadership to be the nominee.

**S Landreth** · 06-03-2013, 06:38 PM

I am busy so this update is only highlighting the GOPs royal fuckups during the past week.

The GOP’s War on Women

The president of one of California’s oldest and most powerful Republican groups asserted on Friday that rape only rarely results in pregnancy. Celeste Greig, president of the California Republican Assembly — a group that former President Ronald Reagan called “the conscience of the Republican Party” — said in an interview with the Bay Area News Group that she felt Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) was unfairly maligned in the storm of criticism he received for claiming victims of “legitimate rape” don’t get pregnant.

“That was an insensitive remark,” said Greig. “I’m sure he regretted it. He should have come back and apologized.”

She was referring to Akin’s statement in a 2012 TV appearance that, when a woman is raped, “the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,” and keeping a rapist’s sperm from fertilizing an egg. Therefore, anti-abortion laws do not need to provide exceptions for victims of rape and incest.

Greig said, however, that Akin’s remarks were substantively correct.: Another GOP official echoes Todd Akin: Women rarely get pregnant from rape

Idiot

Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) on Monday openly admitted that she opposed the latest reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) because it included protections for LGBT, Native American, and undocumented victims of domestic violence.: GOP Congresswoman: I Opposed Domestic Violence Bill Because It Protected Too Many Groups

The GOPs New Outreach program

Their old angry bitter white leader Dip-shit Mitt; who by the way is still upset the American public shunned him, still has a problem with brown people.

Mitt Romney emerged from self-imposed gas-pumping exile to complain about his 2012 clobbering, apparently not having learned his lesson, and instead believing he’s still running in the Republican primaries. Romney confessed yesterday that he’s still not in favor of a path to citizenship – or even permanent residency – for undocumented immigrants currently in the country.: Romney is still wooing that all-important brown-hating vote, but why?

Other GOP news

Bush was for it before he was against it before he was for it. Fuckin’ Bush is so confused (like the rest of his family).

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush’s new book was aimed at nudging a reluctant Republican Party toward reforms that would allow illegal immigrants to live and work without fear of deportation.

But by recommending only legal residency and backing off his past support for citizenship, Bush is throwing cold water over a fledgling deal in the Senate, denting his own reputation as a bold policymaker and stoking speculation that he will run for president in 2016.

None of those things were supposed to happen.

The stunning reversal by one of the Republican Party’s leading champions of immigration reform and Hispanic outreach, at least in part, comes down to a colossal political miscalculation.: Jeb Bush's Poorly Timed Flip-Flop on Immigration

The GOP and their lackeys aren’t that good at stoking fear any longer.

The Dow Jones reached an all-time high of 14,200 today, besting the pre-financial crisis record set in 2007. The robust gains may surprise many Wall Street analysts and cable news prognosticators who, just a few months ago, were raising the alarm that an Obama reelection would send the market into a tailspin.

During election season, experts warned that Obama’s intent to raise the capital gains, dividend and corporate taxes would hurt investments, while Mitt Romney’s business-friendly attitude would lead to a first day rally. It soon became “conventional wisdom” in the financial sector that the stock market would favor a Romney win, while an Obama second term would be disastrous.

Echoing a Romney campaign talking point, a chief economist at Gluskin Sheff praised Romney on CNBC as “a candidate that could more readily come to a compromise with the opposition” over the fiscal cliff deal, and would be “overall better” for the markets: OOPS: Financial Pundits Predicted The Stock Market Would Plunge Under Obama

Another GOP stoopid science guy

The ranking Republican member on Washington state’s House Transportation Committee thinks that riding bicycles causes more pollution than driving cars, the Seattle Bike Blog reported Saturday.

State Rep. Ed Orcutt (R), wrote an email to a constituent who disagreed with his support for a new tax on the sales of bicycles, a proposal being considered as part of a larger piece of transportation legislation. Reached by the Seattle Bike Blog, he confirmed the email is real.

In his message, sent to the owner of a bicycle shop, Orcutt wrote: “If I am not mistaken, a cyclists [sic] has an increased heart rate and respiration. That means that the act of riding a bike results in greater emissions of carbon dioxide from the rider. Since CO2 is deemed to be a greenhouse gas and a pollutant, bicyclists are actually polluting when they ride.”: Washington Republican: Bicycles cause more pollution than cars

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