Racial segregation 'growing in UK',

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Racial segregation 'growing in UK', Dame Louise Casey warns
The year-long review found ethnic segregation is growing in some places in BritainSegregation and social exclusion has reached "worrying levels" and is fuelling inequality in some areas of Britain, a report has found.

Women in some communities are denied "even their basic rights as British residents", the Casey Review said.

Dame Louise Casey accused public bodies of ignoring or condoning divisive or harmful religious practices for fear of being called racist.

Communities Secretary Sajid Javid said he would study the findings "closely".
Dame Louise's review into the integration of minorities was commissioned by former prime minister David Cameron as part of the government's efforts to tackle extremism.

Among her recommendations are that immigrants could take an "integration oath" and schoolchildren be taught British values.

Her review said there was a sense that people from different backgrounds got on well together at a general level, but community cohesion "did not feel universally strong across the country".

She found "high levels of social and economic isolation in some places, and cultural and religious practices in communities that are not only holding some of our citizens back but run contrary to British values and sometimes our laws".

Her report highlighted the plight of women in some Muslim communities, who she said were less likely to speak English and more likely to be kept at home.
"Misogyny and patriarchy has to come to an end," Dame Louise said. "We must not fear being racist or homophobic."

But Shaista Gohir, from the Muslim Women's Network, said the accounts in her report should not be used to suggest a national trend.

Muslim areas under the spotlight - BBC political correspondent Ross Hawkins

Afraid of being dubbed racist, afraid of losing support, afraid of challenging minority communities - that is Dame Louise Casey's view of Britain's decision-makers.
Criticising politicians and officials is the easy bit. The significance of this report is that it targets individual communities and faiths.

It contrasts with the language of people living "parallel lives"- a term used in an earlier report and designed to be neutral, placing no more blame on one community than another.

Dame Louise makes clear her outrage at what she calls "regressive practices" targeting women and girls. She accepts she is putting Muslim areas under the spotlight.

The question for Dame Louise - an official not immune to criticism herself - is how would she achieve change? What if an elected politician refused to take her oath? What if some people - of whatever community - simply prefer to live and educate their children separately?

Researchers heard Muslim tribunals had made life-changing decisions with no training, leaving women and children often feeling traumatised.

Mosques often gave women and girls regressive advice about lifestyle and clothes, Dame Louise added.
She said too few leaders had dealt with issues, suggesting some fear being labelled racist or losing support in minority communities.
The report found mosques often give women and girls regressive advice Dame Louise spoke to 800 people for her review, including public servants, religious representatives, teachers, pupils and local leaders.

She said there were areas which were struggling to cope with the pace and scale of change they faced as a result of immigration, while there were still large social and economic gaps between different ethnic groups.

Division between communities had been bad for Britain, leading to poorer social and economic opportunities for some groups, she added.


The report made 12 recommendations, including:

• A programme of projects to boost cohesion, such as local IT courses and sport activities for children

• Councils should regularly collect statistics on hate crime or deficiencies in English
• Government and councils should share their approaches to tackling segregation
• Schools should promote British values to help build integration, tolerance and citizenship
• A review of the "rights and obligations" of immigrants likely to settle in the UK
• New immigrants could have to swear "an oath of integration with British values and society"
• Funding for school projects that encourage children of different backgrounds to mix
• On top of English language classes for adults, special classes to tackle any "cultural barriers" to a person's employment prospects
• More funding for local English language classes and a review of whether courses are reaching people who need them
• Councils should investigate whether their housing policies help or hinder integration
• Better checks when children are removed from mainstream education
• New oath for public office-holders pledging "tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs"

"We need more effort to be put into integration policies to help communities cope with the pace and scale of immigration and population change in recent years," Dame Louise said.

"Nowhere near enough emphasis" had been put on integrating communities, she added.

Mr Javid said Britain had "long been home to lots of different cultures and communities", but added that "all of us have to be part of one society".

While it was right to celebrate the "positive contribution" diverse groups make to British life, nobody should be excluded from it or left behind, he said.

"We need to take a serious look at the facts and must not shy away from the challenges we face.
"Dame Louise's report is a valuable contribution, and I will be studying her findings closely."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38200989

[Cujo]

At last someone's facing up to reality.

[Neverna]

The report made 12 recommendations, including:

1. A programme of projects to boost cohesion, such as local IT courses and sport activities for children

2. Councils should regularly collect statistics on hate crime or deficiencies in English

3. Government and councils should share their approaches to tackling segregation

4. Schools should promote British values to help build integration, tolerance and citizenship

5. A review of the "rights and obligations" of immigrants likely to settle in the UK

6. New immigrants could have to swear "an oath of integration with British values and society"

7. Funding for school projects that encourage children of different backgrounds to mix

8. On top of English language classes for adults, special classes to tackle any "cultural barriers" to a person's employment prospects

9. More funding for local English language classes and a review of whether courses are reaching people who need them

10. Councils should investigate whether their housing policies help or hinder integration

11. Better checks when children are removed from mainstream education

12. New oath for public office-holders pledging "tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38200989

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And about time too!

There's been a policy of PC avoidance going on for far too long over the issue of integration in the UK.

As Dame Louis Casey has rightly pointed out, a fear of being branded Islamophobic or racist has spread a climate of avoidance and duck-shuffling among members of all community services, from city councils through to the police and social welfare and immigration.

This has created a distrustful and embittered society ready to take matters into their own hands, at times, in dealing with what they perceive (and rightly so) as an erosion of their basic rights as British people.

My own distasteful experience of that was when confronted by a Nigerian at a Welsh National Eisteddfod and being told in no uncertain terms that he had more right to being considered Welsh than I simply because he spoke the language more fluently than I.

Later, while walking with my father in Bangor N Wales a similarly cocky, but well dressed black man mouthed off about his "rights" while waiting to be served at a car repair workshop, all because he presumed he was being made to wait for service because of his skin colour,

My old dad restrained himself from giving the plonker a mouthful of Welsh wit in return, but still managed to tell him to wait his turn before our black brother waltzed off to find himself another workshop, which he failed to do, before returning and getiing to the back of an even longer waiting list for service, which he by then was cursing for being racist!

As dad said at the time, "It's one thing to feel sorry for immigrants and to try to help them, but some of them are asking for too much!"

The same applies to a large number of specifically Muslim immigrants to UK, people largely from Bangladesh and Pakistan who have grand ambitions and think that they can usurp the rights of locals in running schools, councils and markets in favour of their own cultural niceties which are in fact not very nice at all!

A glaring problem is the sexual violence perpetrated by misogynist Muslim males upon any female they so wish, all are either young and vulnerable, house-bound because of their medieval Islamic beliefs and also vulnerable, or the females are alone and vulnerable, isolated from their own while walking home or out on the town enjoying themselves.

There's also the issue of Islamic schools, hundreds of them set up or run illegally where Muslim kids are indoctrinated into a Salafist interpretation of Islam which insists upon segregation among their own and from the British community at large.

City councils have walked in, pushed by Labour backed Muslim councillors insisting on imposing Islamic rules and customs upon non-Muslims, including restricting them in their preferred choice of food, let alone the traditional celebration of Xmas.

Add to that load of indignity the Sharia patrols attempted, and mass prayer and religious demonstrations Muslims feel free to impose on their hosts, it's small wonder that Britons are feeling disenfranchised and at conflict with their watered down but at at least Xtian values of decency and fair play, which seem to be totally absent in the majority of migrants, especially Muslims in UK.

To cap it all, the whole cost of handling that mess is being handled by the British taxpayer who's now told that his social welfare, medical assistance and civil rights of protest are to be curtailed in favour of the sponging clamouring, complaining immigrants.

If and when Dame Casey's recommendations are taken up, many in UK, including many Muslims, will breath a sigh of relief, as the cultural blackmail promulgated by UK's greedy and criminally minded guests is reigned in.

[baldrick]

usurp the rights of locals in running schools, councils and markets in favour of their own cultural niceties which are in fact not very nice at all!

what would the east india company have done ?

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They'd have called for the chai walah....

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For a Muslim spokesman's point of view, Dame Casey's report is seen as yet another attack on Muslims, while no mention is made of Sikhs.....hmmm.

Here it is:


Report on integration 'deliberately targeting of one community over others'

"The report into integration has been criticised by a leading Muslim political commentator as 'inflammatory, divisive and pandering to the agenda of the far right'.

Dame Louise Casey was brought in by David Cameron to report on social integration amid concerns.

Following a year-long study, she said there were areas which were struggling to cope with the pace and scale of change they faced as a result of immigration while there were still large social and economic gaps between different ethnic groups.

Mr Mohammed Shafiq, Chief Executive of the Ramadhan Foundation said he felt the report was 'inflammatory, divisive and pandering to the agenda of the far right' and the deliberating targeting of one community over others.

He said, "We are saddened that once again British Muslims have become a political football which is bashed from time to time without any regard for the impact this has on individuals who then are subjected to threats and violence.

"It is interesting how Louise Casey refused to look at the rise of Islamaphobia and anti Muslim hatred in this country and the obvious connections with the comments from politicians and commentators which are a contributing factor to the hate crimes we see.

"I would seriously challenge the premise of ordering the Louise Carey's report from a Conservative Government whose rhetoric never matches its actions and record.

"Former Prime Minister David Cameron talked in his Munich speech in 2011 about immigrants not learning English and then subsequently cut the English language courses funding by 50%. Now they are talking about ESOL funding again!

"Sadly in today's Britain; Muslims are seen as an easy target to attack by politicians, commentators and parts of the media without any regard for the impact this has on communities.

"There was no mention about the responsibility of the white community to help with integration, as many white families flee mixed areas as Ethnic Minorities move into a particular area.

"The Ramadhan Foundation has been speaking out and leading the campaign against terrorism, child sexual exploitation and grooming, forced marriages, honour killings, equality for women for many years. Regardless of these reports and attacks on our community the Ramadhan Foundation will continue its work.

"I cannot in all seriousness accept a report that has deliberately targeted the Muslim community, the Hindu and Sikh communities are affected by honour killings and forces marriages; there is no mention of this in the report and we know why as it doesn't fit the Government agenda against British Muslims.

"British Muslims reject this divisive report, and hope that the Government will stop its one sided agenda against our community and our rights as British citizens."
http://www.asianimage.co.ukover_others_/

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A little more on Dame Casey's views;


'Inequality within certain communities in these highly segregated areas is getting worse, not better.'

'To help bind Britain together...we need more opportunities for those from disadvantaged communities'
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The "misogyny and patriarchy" in some communities is widening inequality, the author of a Government-commissioned review has warned.
Dame Louise Casey - who was brought in by David Cameron to report on social integration amid concerns that hundreds of radicalised young Britons were joining Islamic State - warned that the country is becoming more divided as it becomes more diverse.

She said the UK could "no longer duck difficult issues" and highlighted the problems some areas had faced because of the pace and scale of immigration.
"I talk about the patterns of change in the population of the country and how the pace of immigration, in particular, in some areas has been too much," she said.

"In Sheffield I didn't find it difficult to find people really struggling with the vast numbers of people coming in from Eastern Europe and the Roma community. One school has gone from less than 5% non-UK nationals to 95% non-UK nationals within a few years.

"That type of change, the impact of immigration and other population changes has been huge and we haven't been on an integration strategy."

In her report she acknowledged that elements would be "hard to read", particularly for Muslim communities which already felt under pressure, but she said the country had to face up to "uncomfortable" problems.

She told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: "I, only last Thursday, was in a community where women who have lived here for years are not allowed out of their house without their men's permission."

She added: "Inequality within certain communities in these highly segregated areas is getting worse, not better."

Dame Louise said she was "tired" of the debate around Muslim women wearing the veil, saying people should be allowed to dress how they wanted.
But she added: "Do I think police officers or midwives should be fully veiled? No, I don't. I want to see their faces - most of us do."

Dame Louise said: "At the end of the day it is not the women in those communities that I have a problem with, it is the men in those communities. It is the misogyny and the patriarchy that has to come to an end.

"Leaders that are not Muslim and are Muslim need to unite around unity in this country. No matter who you are, no matter what creed or colour you are, equality rules."

Her review recommended that schoolchildren should be taught "British values" of tolerance, democracy and respect to help bind communities together amid growing "ethnic segregation".

It highlighted the plight of women who found themselves marginalised through poor English language skills while being subjected to "coercive control, violence and criminal acts of abuse, often enacted in the name of cultural or religious values".

In a wide-ranging set of recommendations, the review called for more English classes for isolated groups, greater mixing among young people through activities such as sport, and a new "oath of integration" enshrining British values for all holders of public office.

http://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/14946352._Inequality_within_certain_communities_in _these_highly_segregated_areas_is_getting_worse__not_better__/

[cyrille]

At last someone's facing up to reality.

The report made 12 recommendations, including:

1. A programme of projects to boost cohesion, such as local IT courses and sport activities for children

2. Councils should regularly collect statistics on hate crime or deficiencies in English

3. Government and councils should share their approaches to tackling segregation

4. Schools should promote British values to help build integration, tolerance and citizenship

5. A review of the "rights and obligations" of immigrants likely to settle in the UK

6. New immigrants could have to swear "an oath of integration with British values and society"

7. Funding for school projects that encourage children of different backgrounds to mix

8. On top of English language classes for adults, special classes to tackle any "cultural barriers" to a person's employment prospects

9. More funding for local English language classes and a review of whether courses are reaching people who need them

10. Councils should investigate whether their housing policies help or hinder integration

11. Better checks when children are removed from mainstream education

12. New oath for public office-holders pledging "tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs"

Umm...not quite the 'facing up to reality' that the regular posters on 'muslim matters' here espouse, is it.

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What kind of "facing up to reality" do you think those "regular posters on Muslim matters" espouse?

[cyrille]

Sorry, I didn't realise Pat Condell's latest rant was titled "What Do They Need?" "Night classes to tackle cultural barriers!"

[blue]

First you have an all indigenous area
then it becomes diverse for a few years
then it gets taken over by one single 2nd or 3rd world immigrant group ...

The poor PC mob don't know what to make of it :
throw money at English lessons, have reports and reviews...
They just don't get that the immigrants don't want integration and see any atempt at it as punishment

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... the immigrants don't want integration and see any atempt at it as punishment

That's precisely how the Salafist element sees it, as Mr Mohammed Shafiq, Chief Executive of the Ramadhan Foundation said.

Then they go crying to MAMA, and will most likely see Dame Casey's report and recommendations as hate crimes.

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Sorry, I didn't realise Pat Condell's latest rant was titled "What Do They Need?" "Night classes to tackle cultural barriers!"

What, in your view, does Pat Condell think ought to be done?

[cyrille]

They just don't get that a number of immigrants don't want integration and see any attempt at it as punishment

This I could go along with. Any suggestion that this applies in blanket terms across the board is counter productive.

And I agree night classes...well, a bit optimistic isn't it. Not just in how likely they are to be attended, but because of the massive cuts that have been made in adult education over the last decade.

This report looks worthwhile in that at least it gathers data that most people already know about but not those it seems with political influence. The recommendations though are hand wringing.

Just another costly study of something that could probably have been 'discovered', written and filed after a week in, say, Oldham, with enough time to knock off at mid day for a pub lunch on the Friday.

PS...do carry on being an obtuse twat all night if you like, ent.

[ENT]

No thanks cyrille, that's your prerogative.

[Norton]

Schools should promote British values to help build integration, tolerance and citizenship

“I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.” W. Churchill

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That was before Pakistan and Bangladesh were created in an attempt to contain the rot.

[sabang]

"It's one thing to feel sorry for immigrants and to try to help them, but some of them are asking for too much!"

Agreed- and I think this culture of 'entitlement' or 'resentment' is only increased by increasing ghettoisation/ segregation within British society. Bottom line, I think the UK should reduce (although certainly not eliminate) immigration, particularly from places such as Pakistan and Somalia- and most certainly Romania! It is causing too many stresses and strains.

There is nothing racist about me saying that, in setting immigration policy and refugee policy, the government should keep it's eye on the national self interest, and social harmony (same thing really). I think I've just given the main reason for the Brexit vote- and it does not come down to racism (much as despising the Israeli occupation of Palestine does not come down to racism either, eh ent).

Basically, in a multicultural society we want communities to mix- but also have to appreciate the fact this does not happen overnight. Migrant groups commonly form clusters, all over the world. It generally takes more than a generation to integrate.

Of course, some people would have us believe the UK is one big cauldron of seething racial resentment, and exclusive ethnic enclaves practising sharia law. Having been there earlier this year, I am pleased to report 'not so'- nowhere near. Ergo:-



Applause For A Curry King!
Highworth turns out to pay tribute to Indian restaurant owner Rafu Miah

Hundreds of friends and wellwishers turned out in Highworth High Street at lunchtime today to pay tribute to Rafu Miah, owner of Rafu's Restaurant, who sadly died on Sunday.

The crowd spontaneously applauded as the funeral cortege passed by and stopped briefly outside the restaurant for Rafu's son, Omar, to say thank you to everyone who kindly sent messages and love to the family.

A fund has been setup to raise money for a fitting memorial for Rafu. If you would like to donate you can do so via the JustGiving page below.




Applause For A Swindon Curry King | SwindonLife | SwindonWeb!

Actually I went there when I stayed in Highworth- Rafu was still alive then. The curry was just OK. The nearby fish n chip shop was owned by Portuguese immigrants, from Madeira- very worried about the recent Brexit vote!

[thaimeme]

usurp the rights of locals in running schools, councils and markets in favour of their own cultural niceties which are in fact not very nice at all!

what would the east india company have done ?

One could only wonder.

Nonetheless, goes around comes around.

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"It's one thing to feel sorry for immigrants and to try to help them, but some of them are asking for too much!"

Agreed- and I think this culture of 'entitlement' or 'resentment' is only increased by increasing ghettoisation/ segregation within British society.

Ghetoisation is created by the immigrants, not by the general British population.

Muslims in particular love the idea, as it gives them the numbers to take over whole districts, like Brick Lane London where you'll get told in no uncertain terms that that it's a Bangla area, or Tower Hamlets under that other criminal Bangla, Lutfur Rahman's mayoralty, rigged votes, nepotism and utter fraud being the order of the day, Bangla style.

Look further at the little ward of Palfrey, which is around 85% Muslim, a lovely little area, but now a Muslim enclave.

Go further north and there's Birmingham Blackburn, Burnley, Bradford where more wards are 70-85% Muslim.

511 schools in 43 areas have more than 50% of their pupils from Bangla or Pakistani families.

One school in Leeds has 85% of its roll of Roma extraction.

These people weren't forced to live where they do, they go there because they like to live in their own isolated communities, exclusive of anyone else.

Sharia patrols were set up in some of these districts and average Brits were harassed for being gay, dressing in western fashions, and carrying or drinking alcohol.

That little bit of Islamofascism was knocked on the head, but only after the Brit man-in-the-street jumped up and pushed back, got arrested for it before police did something about it.

Basically, in a multicultural society we want communities to mix- but also have to appreciate the fact this does not happen overnight. Migrant groups commonly form clusters, all over the world. It generally takes more than a generation to integrate.

Tell that to the Muslims who are the main group forming these ghetos.

One Muslim family arrives and calls in the rest. Some of these Muslim areas are into their third generation of self-exclusion, to the extent that around half of their women can't speak English because they're not allowed out by their menfolk.

Unemployment among Muslim women is around 72%, the result of Muslim repression of women, they're not allowed to go out to work in case they talk to other men, and Muslim male unemployment is about the same as it is in Gaza, the highest unemployed rate in the world.

Of course, some people would have us believe the UK is one big cauldron of seething racial resentment, and exclusive ethnic enclaves practising sharia law.

No it's not one big cauldron of seething racial resentment, it's many small cauldrons bubbling away of Muslim criminal enterprise, mostly Muslims doing eachother over and raping any available vulnerable female (or male) that happens by.

The real resntment comes up when Muslim Mayors start sprouting up all over the place, (they do like dressing up), status is a big thing among them, it gives them the clout to open up avenues of nepotism, as they do in state funded schools that suffer from creeping Islamization.

[sabang]

Muslims in particular love the idea, as it gives them the numbers to take over whole districts, like Brick Lane London where you'll get told in no uncertain terms that that it's a Bangla area

Nonsense- I like Brick Lane, used to go there regularly when in London. A curry, followed by a few beers in a poky little pub with some of the geezers (who had distinctly mixed views about the Bangladeshi influx). I never felt the least bit unwelcome or unsafe there. And while the area is distinctly (although nowhere near solely) Bangladeshi, if you went to the Brick Lane markets there were vendors and customers of all nationalities, much the same as in a curry house or a pub.

I like the Balti triangle in Birmingham too- a good mate of mine, a commercial artist, has lived there, in Sparkbrook, for well over 30 years. He likes it too, has no intention of moving out- and faces absolutely no pressure to do so. He thoroughly approved when the local Islamic community banded together to peaceably harass the junkie hookers out of their suburb- he says now it is much safer and more pleasant to walk the streets.

And if 'Muslims in particular like the idea' how do you explain the predominantly afro-caribbean 'ghettos' that predate them? Places such as Handsworth in Birmingham and Brixton, London. Or Cabramatta in Sydney (Vietnamese), and Leichardt, Sydney (Italian/Meditteranean). Or the massive Japanese area in Sao Paulo?

Again, bigot, recent immigrants- especially those from a non-anglo culture, tend too congregate in clusters. There is nothing unique to the Muslim religion about this.

511 schools in 43 areas have more than 50% of their pupils from Bangla or Pakistani families.

in January 2012, there were 8.2 million pupils attending 24,372 schools in England
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nts-in-england
As usual, you have provided no link for your figures (which are usually dubious), or even if your figures relate to England or the UK- but even accepting them at face value (and assuming you mean England only), that means that roughly one in 48 schools has a Muslim majority.

THE HORROR!

One Muslim family arrives and calls in the rest. Some of these Muslim areas are into their third generation of self-exclusion, to the extent that around half of their women can't speak English because they're not allowed out by their menfolk.
Unemployment among Muslim women is around 72%, the result of Muslim repression of women, they're not allowed to go out to work in case they talk to other men, and Muslim male unemployment is about the same as it is in Gaza, the highest unemployed rate in the world.

Nonsensical, unattributed "figures" straight from the BNP. I'd love you to provide factual verification that in some Council areas over half of the Muslim women cannot speak English- go ahead, be my guest. I've yet to meet one- although I suppose, particularly in recent refugee communities they must exist. I've also met Italian immigrant momma's in Australia that can barely utter a word of Englsh- so what? Their offspring certainly can.

So in short, the only reason you started this thread is for yet another racist diatribe against your favorite pet hate- Muslims. I suppose it keeps your feeble mind occupied when you are not trying to justify the brutal, ongoing occupation of Palestine, or pathetically trying to tell us that Palestinians do not exist.

I am pleased to affirm, as a recent visitor, that the vast majority of British citizens are not the least like you- for example, Britain's largest city and capital, London, recently voted in it's first ever Muslim Mayor by a considerable majority. The son of a bus conductor. The losing candidate, Zac Goldsmith, has been widely ridiculed and lambasted for the barely concealed racist overtone of his campaign- and it backfired on him, completely. He recently was also thrashed in a by-election to be a Tory MP. Looks like his political days are over- a fitting reward. He is thoroughly discredited.

Most of those who express reservations against the pace of immigration, especially from certain countries, or the fact that Britain had limited control over it's own borders under EU rules- are not proceeding from a position of outright bigotry and racism. Unlike you.

In the 2011 census Office for National Statistics, the proportion of Muslims in London had risen to 12.4% of the population (40% of England's Muslims). In the boroughs of Newham and Tower Hamlets, the percentages of Muslims were over 30%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London

THE HORROR!



Hi Ent! Have a nice day- may Allah be with you, peace, shalom and all that.

[Hugh Cow]

Ethnic Enclaves exist all over the world. How many China towns are there? If a country is going to let in high numbers of ethnically or religiously different people the end result is inevitably ethnic and religous enclaves or ghettos. People move to another country to be able to improve their standard of living not to associate with the local populous. The only way to prevent this is to let in only small numbers of these ethnically or religously different people as few will integrate unless forced to. Otherwise you will invariably end up with these enclaves/ghettos.

[sabang]

And of course the very term 'Ghetto' was originally coined to describe Jewish ethnic enclaves.

[PeeCoffee]

Yes Sabang... a ghetto was originally where Jews were forced to reside.
Anti-semitism goes back more than 500 years in England as well as Europe.
Like all hatred it still exists.