HIV Infection risks

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by kingwilly

stll dont understand your abbreviations.

oh I see, your so smart but the rest of the world is not,

ok then.

The rest of the world who? King Willy's world??(hmm...that has a nice ring to it for an amusement park) Well surely I jest back on topic...He is the rest of the world? Because were not talking about the educated "world" community here if that's what you mean? They don't share your convictions so convincingly as has been posted..

bkkandrew · 17-02-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by kingwilly

stll dont understand your abbreviations.

oh I see, your so smart but the rest of the world is not,

ok then.

Not my abbriviations. As stated in OP, 'taken from another forum'.

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

Abbiviation help for those in the monastry:

BB - Bare Back (as in not using a condom)
OWO - Oral Without - i.e. oral sex, no condom
WGs - Working girls (bar girls, prossies, go-go dancers, good time girls)
Punter - bloke who frequents above...

Happy now?

^He's answering us both without any references...

And he's calling me the idiot?? I guess my suggestion of this topic being a bit over his head was accurate..

Punter - bloke who frequents above...

But who are you referring to here??

All of my posts except this one are above...

**kingwilly** · 17-02-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Driventowin

I get the distinct impression that the real problem here is that I'm speaking way above the head of an ignorant audience..And they're resentful for it...

Originally Posted by Driventowin

The rest of the world who?

the ignorant audience you allude to...

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 06:35 PM

Lets say 20 years ago it was published that Aids was mainly a gay disease, 20 years ago gays were not accepted as they are these days, so there probably would have been public floggings of pooves, what would have happened if they published that mossies killed say 100 people per year thru aids, how many thousands of tonnes of chemicals would be sprayed into peoples houses to kill all the insects?
If they had proof or they even published that HIV could be passed on by mossies wouldn't you protect your family by spraying your house and garden each day with insect killer? How many millions of other families would be doing the same? What would that do pollution wise to our air? So, if they can pass on HIV it would best to keep quiet about it.

**AntRobertson** · 17-02-2008, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Insect bites

HIV is not transmitted by mosquitoes, flies, ticks, fleas, bees or wasps. If a bloodsucking insect bites someone with HIV, the virus dies almost instantly in the insect's stomach (as it digests the blood). HIV can only live in human cells.

Mosquitoes cannot transmit HIV for two reasons:

* The mosquito draws blood and injects saliva. The blood from one person is not injected into the mosquito's next victim.
* HIV dies in the mosquito's body. People sometimes are confused because malaria actually reproduces inside the mosquito's digestive tract, using the insect as part of its life cycle. HIV does not.

These facts are confirmed by looking at infection patterns. In areas where mosquitoes are common and where HIV is prevalent, the distribution of AIDS cases in the population is not different from other areas. If mosquitoes transmitted HIV, they would be seeing a disproportionate number of children and elderly infected in those areas.

That confirms/supports what I was trying to articulate earlier, that HIV cannot survive outside the host (human) long enough or in sufficent quantities to be spread by insect bite.

**AntRobertson** · 17-02-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

If they had proof or they even published that HIV could be passed on by mossies wouldn't you protect your family by spraying your house and garden each day with insect killer? How many millions of other families would be doing the same? What would that do pollution wise to our air? So, if they can pass on HIV it would best to keep quiet about it.

I'm not sure I follow your logic there - why downplay one public health hazard and thereby support another?

**kingwilly** · 17-02-2008, 06:41 PM

HIV is actually quite a delicate virus, the common cold has a far greater survivability rate.

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

why downplay one public health hazard and thereby support another?

Because one may only be killing hundreds or thousands per year, what would happen if every middle class family in the world used a can of pesticide perday?

**AntRobertson** · 17-02-2008, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

what would happen if every middle class family in the world used a can of pesticide perday?

Cans of insect spray/repellant are already obliged to be CFC free so I expect any effects would be negligble.

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 06:59 PM

^What about the poisons or toxins used to kill the mossies? Not harmfull in large doses?

**AntRobertson** · 17-02-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

What about the poisons or toxins used to kill the mossies?

Exactly, what about them? What poisons and toxins are used to kill mossies and how are these harmful to humans?

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Insect bites

HIV is not transmitted by mosquitoes, flies, ticks, fleas, bees or wasps. If a bloodsucking insect bites someone with HIV, the virus dies almost instantly in the insect's stomach (as it digests the blood). HIV can only live in human cells.

Mosquitoes cannot transmit HIV for two reasons:

* The mosquito draws blood and injects saliva. The blood from one person is not injected into the mosquito's next victim.
* HIV dies in the mosquito's body. People sometimes are confused because malaria actually reproduces inside the mosquito's digestive tract, using the insect as part of its life cycle. HIV does not.

These facts are confirmed by looking at infection patterns. In areas where mosquitoes are common and where HIV is prevalent, the distribution of AIDS cases in the population is not different from other areas. If mosquitoes transmitted HIV, they would be seeing a disproportionate number of children and elderly infected in those areas.

That confirms/supports what I was trying to articulate earlier, that HIV cannot survive outside the host (human) long enough or in sufficent quantities to be spread by insect bite.

NO Ant is doesn't....That is only one method of infection you need to refer to the link for the entire set of facts...

This is based on conveinent snippits..

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by kingwilly

HIV is actually quite a delicate virus, the common cold has a far greater survivability rate.

Wrong!!! Your not reading previous posts...

**AntRobertson** · 17-02-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Driventowin

NO Ant is doesn't

Actually it does, I wouldn't have said it did otherwise.

Go back and check my post if you don't believe me - the above is merely a better stated/worded and more comprehensive version of what I said.

**Texpat** · 17-02-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

Abbiviation help for those in the monastry:

BB - Bare Back (as in not using a condom)
OWO - Oral Without - i.e. oral sex, no condom
WGs - Working girls (bar girls, prossies, go-go dancers, good time girls)
Punter - bloke who frequents above...

Have to admit, I knew only half of those. And I consider myself a pro.

**kingwilly** · 17-02-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Driventowin

Wrong!!! Your not reading previous posts...

^ your right, i'm not.

It's because I already do have some knowledge about this topic.....

and frankly your argument lacks any substance, aint any point me reading it.

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Exactly, what about them? What poisons and toxins are used to kill mossies and how are these harmful to humans?

Depending on country depends on the most common poisons available, some are illegal in more developed countries, the third world would use the cheapest and nastiest poisons, that aint gonna be good for air quality if every family is doing it.

**ChiangMai noon** · 17-02-2008, 07:06 PM

^
not sure about that DD.
there's like lots of world compared to people.

i don't think mozzie spray will have so bad an impact.

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Driventowin

Wrong!!! Your not reading previous posts...

^ your right, i'm not.

It's because I already do have some knowledge about this topic.....

and frankly your argument lacks any substance, aint any point me reading it.

Then why post inaccurate information then? just taking a piss? Don't post if you don't want to take the entire set of FACTS as part of the discussion..

It's like walking into the middle of a lecture and calling the guest speaker a fool when you don't even have the first concept of the information being presented, in the end who really ends up looking the fool then??

**kingwilly** · 17-02-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Driventowin

I just can't see this many people having cross transmission on sexual contact alone given the stats being quoted here it does not compute!!

Number of HIV-infected individuals in Angola: 240,000
Number of HIV-infect individuals in Botswana: 350,000
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Lesotho: 320,000
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Malawi: 900,000
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Mozambique: 1.3 million
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Namibia: 210,000
Number of HIV-infected individuals in South Africa: 5.3 million
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Swaziland: 220,000
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Zambia: 920,000
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Zimbabwe: 1.8 million

ANSWER: AIDS vs Malaria | Radical Reference

Besides the original explanation of HIV infection leaves for a lot more questions than answers...

These are numbers that coincide with mass infection on a massive scale that is more than just sexual contact.

actually I notice a more important link!

They are all BLACK!

It must be that! AIDS kills black people not white!

**ChiangMai noon** · 17-02-2008, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by kingwilly

It must be that! AIDS kills black people not white!

now we are getting somewhere.

**kingwilly** · 17-02-2008, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Driventowin

Then why post inaccurate information then? just taking a piss? Don't post if you don't want to take the entire set of FACTS as part of the discussion..

oops, well, apart from my last post, (which just illustrates your facts lack of substance) nothing i've posted on this thread IS inaccurate! your so called facts are inaccurate!

and also liable to cause stoopid ppl to put themselves at risk...

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

^
not sure about that DD.
there's like lots of world compared to people.

i don't think mozzie spray will have so bad an impact.

But what DD is saying is that they (the officals) have already concluded that those pesticides are bad for us and have banned many thus the increase in Malaria as well..

**AntRobertson** · 17-02-2008, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

the third world would use the cheapest and nastiest poisons, that aint gonna be good for air quality if every family is doing it.

This is what bothers me though, it's conjecture. Malaria is already a leading cause of death (particularly children) in many 3rd World nations and there's not cheap and nasty poisons being used to combat that.

And actually even presuming HIV was spread by insect bite and leaving aside this issue for a minute, why is it (as others have already mentioned) that in areas of high malaria incidence there's not a high incidence of HIV infections amongst the same groups most vulnerable (i.e. children and the elderly)? The stats simply don't support the notion.

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