HIV Infection risks

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

Just strange that this point is not scrutinised to the nth degree as other infection causes are....

It could well be scrutinised to the ninth degree, what if it was found out for arguements sake that 50 percent of HIV transmissions was caused by mossies, they could never publish that, if they did then the majority of the worlds population would spray as much poison into the air as they could to protect themselves and families.

As I said before, you got more chance of getting hiv being buggered by 10 guys perday that have hiv than 10 mossie bites perday, but how many of us were buggered by guys today? I weren't but I got bite by a mossie today.

bkkandrew · 17-02-2008, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

where maggie kicked their butts in 15 days

It was J. Major actually, one and a half months after Maggie waved goodbye...

Anyway, back on topic...

**Mid** · 17-02-2008, 09:41 PM

if they did then the majority of the worlds population would spray as much poison into the air as they could to protect themselves and families.

Singaporeans seem to survive it

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 09:46 PM

^Small land mass surrounded by fresh air

bkkandrew · 17-02-2008, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

if they did then the majority of the worlds population would spray as much poison into the air as they could to protect themselves and families.

Singaporeans seem to survive it

..And Singapore his 94th in the world by HIV prevalance, compared to Thailand (49th) Vietnam (79th) and Malasia (81st), whereas one would expect reporting in Singapore to be more robust than other states...

Source:

List of countries by HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**Thetyim** · 17-02-2008, 09:49 PM

A couple of years back I read about some people being totally immune to AIDS because of their genes.
I did a quick google and found this.

Genetic HIV Resistance Deciphered

The most powerful form of resistance, caused by a genetic defect, is limited to people with European or Central Asian heritage. An estimated 1 percent of people descended from Northern Europeans are virtually immune to AIDS infection, with Swedes the most likely to be protected.

**Mid** · 17-02-2008, 09:50 PM

^^^

better off going with the dengue fever story , it's got legs

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dirty Dog

You have splattered that mossie over the hole she had just drilled into your ankle.....

Yes and there is always a possibility that you might have any kind of an open sore in the vicinity especially if you have been scratching numerous mossie bites..

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Dalton

It dosent change the fact that if medication was given to those people, then the death rate would drop very quick.....But who cares....it's mostly in Africa, just the blacks..right...Sometimes I'm really a-shamed of being a human-being.

actually i suspect it has more to do with the fact of their socio-economic well-being than skin colour,

but other than that, i do agree its a crying shame.

JFYI I just happened to use figures from Africa there was no other race specific intent in that, you are the one that picked up on that and ran with it, it's really irrelevant..

This entire topic can relate to many places in the world including even South America for example.. And my OP on the topic included a real life example from the States not Africa...

bkkandrew · 17-02-2008, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Driventowin

="Dirty Dog"]You have splattered that mossie over the hole she had just drilled into your ankle.....

Yes and there is always a possibility that you might have any kind of an open sore in the vicinity especially if you have been scratching numerous mossie bites..

Good point - it does seem to be a bit blase to just dismiss this type of contact causing infection, especially given the lengthy period where infection can go undetected...

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by KingWilly

^ Jaysus, have you read anything about this topic??

Now there's a piece of irony!!

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Well if HIV's not aborbed through the pores of the skin it ain't going in through any hole made by a mosquito proboscis either

If that was true then it could be quite happily stated that mossies can not carry the hiv virus as if it is too big to go in the hole the mossie has created then it would be too big to get into the mossie in the first place when it was sucking the blood, aint seen it stated as hard fact that mossies cannot sup down the hiv virus whilst drinking blood.

More to the point they claim it does get into the mossie and the digestive juices kill the virus.. Sounds like a plan for a vaccine or cure if ever I heard one?? Especially since we already have a certain resistance to mossie's without the illnesses they carry it seems they do us no real harm...

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ant Robertson

HIV can only survive in human cells

Wrong!!! This is just plain inaccurate the origination of HIV was supposedly from monkeys...

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 10:12 PM

Lets paint another picture

50 year old farang from the suburbs of Surrey just got over his divorce of the only women he had ever had sex with in his life does a 2 week tour of the sleazy whore houses of Pattaya, during that time he shags 10 disease ridden girls 3 times each, spends a total of 70 hours in open air bars where he got the shite bitten out of him by mossies, goes back to Surrey to take up residence in the vicarage again, 6 months later finds out he is HIV positive, well any doctor will tell you he got it from one of those disease riddled girls, did he though?

**Thetyim** · 17-02-2008, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

did he though?

Nope he got it from his wife.
The dirty slag had a two week holiday in West Indies just before the divorce

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Dirty Dog

Is this a fact or a thought?

They claim it's a fact, but how they know this is not explained in detail, but as I said it still sounds like a nice beginning to a cure or at a minimum a Vaccine..

Which was the overlooked second part of my original OP on the topic..

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by November Rain

Note to self - don't go away for a whole day & then come back to a thread that you're interested in. It will be 10 pages long & you won't have enough greens & reds to go around to those that deserve them.

Now you made me go check my repo,
Damn! The bad news is, there was no greens!!

The good news is, at least there wasn't any reds either!!

bkkandrew · 17-02-2008, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Originally Posted by dirtydog

did he though?

Nope he got it from his wife.
The dirty slag had a two week holiday in West Indies just before the divorce

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

I am quite interested in DD's mossie theory.

In the event of HIV diagnosis, sexual partner(s) might be tested, children (of infected mother) would be etc. etc. Evidence of cross infection would then be blamed on the above links, but what if it was a mossie in the house? This is where the 'no recorded instances of mossie infection' argument fails. How do they know when/where/how the transmission of the virus occurred? Given the low %ages I originally quoted at the top of this thread, it follows that infection can only occur (on average) after prolonged sexual contact (100's or 1000's of times). How many 100's or 1000's of occurances of mosquito bite of both infectees have occurred during the same period?

Similarly so, how many people diagnosed HIV+ have not nailed down the cause of the infection? OK, some may have simply shagged so many people that they can't remember their names, but could there be another view?

Finally DD is again right when pointing out that there doesn't seem to be much research into this alleged process of mosquitos killing the HIV virus, which, if true could yeild an insight into HIV cure. Give the Billions spent on AIDS research, it is unlikely that noone would think to investigate how a mosquito 'cures' HIV and try to apply such a cure to the human body. They have been doing this as a matter of course since Flaming's nose ran into the petri dish in the run-up to discovering Penicillin....

Are you bucking for a mods spot here?? You can get up off your knees now..Thanks for giving DD the credit for my entire theory!!

On another note I'm glad you agree with my position...At least your enlightened enough for that..

Glad to have you on board..

**AntRobertson** · 17-02-2008, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Driventowin

Originally Posted by Ant Robertson

HIV can only survive in human cells

Wrong!!! This is just plain inaccurate the origination of HIV was supposedly from monkeys...

I'm not quite sure how you can catergorically say that is wrong on the one hand and immediately qualify it with "supposedly" on the other.

And in any event even leaving aside to issue of the virus mutating to cross the species barrier monkeys are closely related to humans.

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

why aren't there higher incidents of children, elderly or otherwise sexually inactive and non-hypodermic using people being infected

Since my first three answers keep getting ignored I'll answer this one more time..

Because they don't exhibit the high risk behaviour therefore they don't expose themselves to as much a risk of infection from other outside influences such as homosexual sex, IV drug use, and other risque behaviours known to infect people..Mostly their exposure is just from family and possibly mossies..

I hope that is finally clear...

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 10:32 PM

Here's a question or 2, would you be willing to smear HIV tainted blood over a wound on your body?

How do you kill or shoo away mossies that are biting you?

Do you consider that a fresh mossie bite that has penetrated your skin as a wound?

Would you agree that if a mossie 30 seconds ago had sucked blood from a HIV positive person, that that blood would still be HIV Positive and really foking dangerous on your open wounds?

For how long that blood inside your hungry mossie is still hiv positive is open for debate, they suck a lot of blood for such a small animal, do you think it has something that kills off hiv straight away? ie with in seconds? minutes? hours? days?

**AntRobertson** · 17-02-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Driventowin

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

why aren't there higher incidents of children, elderly or otherwise sexually inactive and non-hypodermic using people being infected

Since my first three answers keep getting ignored I'll answer this one more time..

Because they don't exhibit the high risk behaviour therefore they don't expose themselves to as much a risk of infection from other outside influences such as homosexual sex, IV drug use, and other risque behaviours known to infect people..Mostly their exposure is just from family and possibly mossies..

I hope that is finally clear...

Well it's not actually because it doesn't answer the question because that wasn't my question.

If HIV can be transmitted via mosquito's then why aren't children being infected in this way? The presence or not of other risk factors has nothing to do with that save for disproving it.

If child A is in an environment with low risk from HIV factors but high mosquito levels then surely they'd still be at an increased risk than child B in an environment with low risk factors and low mosiquito levels. There's no evidence to suggest this is the case.

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

If no, why don't researchers find out why it doesn't and then perhaps find a cure for AIDS with research on mosquitoes and how the insect prevents itself from getting infected?

The first words in that answer are "it has not been proven" Or "there is no proof" I can't remember now I've answered so many so quickly but you get the point..That is clearly not definitive!!

The above is the second most important part of my hypothesis, but this post still doesn't answer it?

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by DirtyDog

I think they have found that HIV can survive for up to 3 days in medical instruments.

Most definately...

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