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    If there was a conspiracy would it be wrong to assume that the experts in HIV/AIDS prevention and transmission would have knowledge of this?

    Since every year these experts appear at conferences and seminars (read junkets) in areas where HIV/AIDS is prevalent, surely they would be covered from head to toe in a NBC suit for the duration of their visits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowspole View Post
    If there was a conspiracy would it be wrong to assume that the experts in HIV/AIDS prevention and transmission would have knowledge of this?

    Since every year these experts appear at conferences and seminars (read junkets) in areas where HIV/AIDS is prevalent, surely they would be covered from head to toe in a NBC suit for the duration of their visits?
    Sadly, not if they were in the dark just as much as everyone else. The fact is that the deviousness of the possibility is that only a very few people in very high places world wide need to know about this type of conspiracy..

    Everyone else can just be kept ignorant due to the specific information they've been fed and no independent studies having been done..
    Silent but deadly.....

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    So who would be the holders of this dark secret? Governments? Pharmaceutical companies? CDC? It would have to be a global conspiracy. I don't think there is enough international goodwill to suppress this kind of information. For example, would the frogs keep it secret if they discovered it, especially after getting shafted right at the very beginning of HIV/AIDS research?

    Also, the research would be funded by pharmaceutical companies and they would jump at a chance to provide a HUGE world market with insect repellents. More money to be made there than providing those already infected with the present medicine they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by November Rain
    (hands up all of you who can actually ever remember splatting a mosquito onto an open wound??)
    If I remember correctly, the "open wound" was the hole the mossie poked when he came to dinner, and I have smashed a lot of em while sucking up some dinner on my arms and pobly shot some blood back thru their sucker pipe and splattered it in patches where they were setting to eat.

    and the mossie are bad at certain times of the year in Alaska and Yukon, and driving along Great Slave Lake and other places in the spring and summer at dusk I have had to stop every 5 miles or so and scrape the bastards off my windshields to see.

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    Finally DD is again right when pointing out that there doesn't seem to be much research into this alleged process of mosquitos killing the HIV virus, which, if true could yeild an insight into HIV cure. Give the Billions spent on AIDS research, it is unlikely that noone would think to investigate how a mosquito 'cures' HIV and try to apply such a cure to the human body. They have been doing this as a matter of course since Flaming's nose ran into the petri dish in the run-up to discovering Penicillin....
    HOW?

    Inject into everybodies blood stream mosquito digestive juices to the same concentration as the mosquito??
    Possibly, but more likeliy do controlled lab tests on HIV material with mosquito digestive extracts of varying type and concentration...

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    ^ Or as I posted earlier it would be very possible with todays technology to extract the necessary digestive chemicals and break them down and test each one or a combination thereof to see how they react with the virus..

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    other places in the spring and summer at dusk I have had to stop every 5 miles or so and scrape the bastards off my windshields to see.
    As I am sure you well know, switch off the dome light before you open the car door or you will have a mighty swarm of the buggers in the car.

    Also, those Canuck mossies are friken enormous. One of them gets done filling up and you will be needing a blood transfusion. Hey maybe that's why folks think mossies spread aids.
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew
    HOW? Inject into everybodies blood stream mosquito digestive juices to the same concentration as the mosquito??
    Possibly,


    FFS! too funny! R u serious??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew
    HOW? Inject into everybodies blood stream mosquito digestive juices to the same concentration as the mosquito??
    Possibly,


    FFS! too funny! R u serious??
    No, I was taking the piss out of you....

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    If I remember correctly, the "open wound" was the hole the mossie poked when he came to dinner
    Oh, OK, I missed that (long thread), but I would seriously argue against that being the definition of an 'open wound'.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    and the mossie are bad at certain times of the year in Alaska and Yukon, and driving along Great Slave Lake and other places in the spring and summer at dusk I have had to stop every 5 miles or so and scrape the bastards off my windshields to see.
    You mention that & Norton mentions the Canadian mossies, so, if DTW's theory is to be believed, these areas should be rife with HIV cases, shouldn't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew
    No, I was taking the piss out of you....
    excellent work then, taking the piss out of me taking the piss out of driventrain,

    keep it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by November Rain
    You mention that & Norton mentions the Canadian mossies, so, if DTW's theory is to be believed, these areas should be rife with HIV cases, shouldn't they?
    Nooo Dear, (I mean no offense by addressing you that way) because these are very sparsely populated areas of a country, and are not exposed to high numbers of HIV/AIDS infected people in very close proximity to other infected humans as is the case in these numerous small villages in Africa and other such third and forth world locales.

    The other mitigating factor is that they don't have high exposure to mass biting and then potentially immediate cross contact with other persons due to the higher standard of housing and protection from those insects and fewer persons per household.. I.E. the social environment is far less a factor..

    Additionally any of these locales mentioned have seasonal mossie population's where they die off every year but have laid eggs in frozen ponds and such and then they hatch bringing new mossies instead of year round mass exposure such as this case in warmer clims..Even in Florida it get's cold enough every year to kill off the largest percentage of mossie's..

    Ironically I just saw a CNN news story this morning about 2 young African boys who's parents both died of AIDS and they had more mossie bites and other insect bites on their face alone than I think I've had in my life of 47 years, and that's my living in an almost equally infested area of south Florida for more than 40 years..

    But even when I was a child my mother had us wearing mossie repellent, we had screens on our windows and doors, the county sprayed our street weekly for the pests and we didn't sleep 5 to 10 or more to a small little room either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Driventowin
    Ironically I just saw a CNN news story this morning about 2 young African boys who's parents both died of AIDS and they had more mossie bites and other insect bites on their face alone than I think I've had in my life of 47 years, and that's my living in an almost equally infested area of south Florida for more than 40 years..
    PROOF FOR SURE !

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    No, I was taking the piss out of you....
    excellent work then
    Thank you.

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    No, I was taking the piss out of you....
    keep it up.
    Will do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Also, those Canuck mossies are friken enormous.
    How Very True Norton, I have seen em up at Saskatoon that were really big, had one in the yard one evening that was standing flat footed on the ground and fucking a turkey..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Driventowin
    Ironically I just saw a CNN news story this morning about 2 young African boys who's parents both died of AIDS and they had more mossie bites and other insect bites on their face alone than I think I've had in my life of 47 years, and that's my living in an almost equally infested area of south Florida for more than 40 years..
    PROOF FOR SURE !
    Not intended as proof just an observation..

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    Quote Originally Posted by November Rain
    You mention that & Norton mentions the Canadian mossies, so, if DTW's theory is to be believed, these areas should be rife with HIV cases, shouldn't they?
    Not if a mossie is biting a non Hiv person, non hiv to non hiv is nothing to worrry about, we are talking about areas where you maybe sitting with a hiv positive person. But your average place in Thailand, how many of them are positive compared to say a nice evening sitting outside a nice UK pub?

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    I got bitten by 5 mossies today, didn't have any big black man bugger me though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Driventowin
    Ironically I just saw a CNN news story this morning about 2 young African boys who's parents both died of AIDS and they had more mossie bites and other insect bites on their face alone than I think I've had in my life of 47 years, and that's my living in an almost equally infested area of south Florida for more than 40 years.
    how many thousand/million bites did the each have on their face?

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    Question: Can I get infected with HIV from mosquitoes?

    Answer: The answer is a resounding NO. From the start of the HIV epidemic there has been concern about HIV transmission of the virus by biting and bloodsucking insects, such as mosquitoes. However, studies conducted by the CDC and elsewhere have shown no evidence of HIV transmission through mosquitoes or any other insects -- even in areas where there are many cases of AIDS and large populations of mosquitoes. Lack of such outbreaks, despite intense efforts to detect them, supports the conclusion that HIV is not transmitted by insects.

    The results of experiments and observations of insect biting behavior indicate that when an insect bites a person, it does not inject its own or a previously bitten person's or animal's blood into the next person bitten. Rather, it injects saliva, which acts as a lubricant so the insect can feed efficiently. Diseases such as yellow fever and malaria are transmitted through the saliva of specific species of mosquitoes. However, HIV lives for only a short time inside an insect and, unlike organisms that are transmitted via insect bites, HIV does not reproduce (and does not survive) in insects. Thus, even if the virus enters a mosquito or another insect, the insect does not become infected and cannot transmit HIV to the next human it bites.

    There also is no reason to fear that a mosquito or other insect could transmit HIV from one person to another through HIV-infected blood left on its mouth parts. Several reasons help explain why this is so.
    • Infected people do not have constantly high levels of HIV in their blood streams.
    • Insect mouth parts retain only very small amounts of blood on their surfaces.
    • Scientists who study insects have determined that biting insects normally do not travel from one person to the next immediately after ingesting blood. Rather, they fly to a resting place to digest the blood meal.
    http://aids.about.com/od/technicalquestions/f/bugrisk.htm
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    Why Mosquitoes Cannot Transmit AIDS

    by Wayne J. Crans, Associate Research Professor in Entomology

    Rutgers Cooperative Extension Fact Sheet # FS736

    Media releases concerning the possibility of mosquitoes transmitting AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) were common when the disease was first recognized, and the subject is still addressed by tabloids that seek captivating headlines to increase their circulation. The topic was initiated by reports from a small community in southern Florida where preliminary evidence suggested that mosquitoes may have been responsible for the higher on average incidence of AIDS in the local population. The media was quick to publicize claims that mosquitoes were involved in AIDS transmission despite findings of scientific surveys of the National Centers for Disease Control (CDC) that clearly demonstrated that mosquito transmission of AIDS in that community appeared highly unlikely. Nevertheless, media releases perpetuated the concept that mosquitoes transmitted AIDS, and many people still feel that mosquitoes may be responsible for transmission of this infection from one individual to another.

    There are three theoretical mechanisms which would allow blood-sucking insects such as mosquitoes to transmit HIV.

    1. In the first mechanism, a mosquito would initiate the cycle by feeding on an HIV positive carrier and ingest virus particles with the blood meal. For the virus to be passed on, it would have to survive inside the mosquito, preferably increase in numbers, and then migrate to the mosquito's salivary glands. The infected mosquito would then seek its second blood meal from an uninfected host and transfer the HIV from its salivary glands during the course of the bite. This is the mechanism used by most mosquito-borne parasites, including malaria, yellow fever, dengue, and the encephalitis viruses.

    2. In the second mechanism, a mosquito would initiate the cycle by beginning to feed on an HIV carrier and be interrupted after it had successfully drawn blood. Instead of resuming the partial blood meal on its original host, the mosquito would select an AIDS-free person to complete the meal. As it penetrated the skin of the new host, the mosquito would transfer virus particles that were adhering to the mouthparts from the previous meal. This mechanism is not common in mosquito-borne infections, but equine infectious anemia is transmitted to horses by biting flies in this manner.

    3. The third theoretical mechanism also involves a mosquito that is interrupted while feeding on an HIV carrier and resumes the partial blood meal on a different individual. In this scenario, however, the AIDS-free host squashes the mosquito as it attempts to feed and smears HIV contaminated blood into the wound. In theory, any of the mosquito-borne viruses could be transmitted in this manner providing the host circulated sufficient virus particles to initiate re-infection by contamination.

    Each of these mechanisms has been investigated with a variety of blood sucking insects and the results clearly show that mosquitoes cannot transmit AIDS. News reports on the findings, however, have been confusing, and media interpretation of the results has not been clear. The average person is still not convinced that mosquitoes are not involved in the transmission of a disease that appears in the blood, is passed from person to person and can be contracted by persons that share hypodermic needles. Here are just some of the reasons why the studies showed that mosquitoes cannot transmit AIDS:

    Mosquitoes Digest the Virus that Causes AIDS

    When a mosquito transmits a disease agent from one person to another, the infectious agent must remain alive inside the mosquito until transfer is completed. If the mosquito digests the parasite, the transmission cycle is terminated and the parasite cannot be passed on to the next host. Successful mosquito-borne parasites have a number of interesting ways to avoid being treated as food. Some are refractory to the digestive enzymes inside the mosquito's stomach; most bore their way out of the stomach as quickly as possible to avoid the powerful digestive enzymes that would quickly eliminate their existence. Malaria parasites survive inside mosquitoes for 9-12 days and actually go through a series of necessary life stages during that period. Encephalitis virus particles survive for 10-25 days inside a mosquito and replicate enormously during the incubation period. Studies with HIV clearly show that the virus responsible for the AIDS infection is regarded as food to the mosquito and is digested along with the blood meal. As a result, mosquitoes that ingest HIV-infected blood digest that blood within 1-2 days and completely destroy any virus particles that could potentially produce a new infection. Since the virus does not survive to reproduce and invade the salivary glands, the mechanism that most mosquito-borne parasites use to get from one host to the next is not possible with HIV.

    Mosquitoes Do Not Ingest Enough HIV Particles to Transmit AIDS by Contamination

    Insect-borne disease agents that have the ability to be transferred from one individual to the next via contaminated mouthparts must circulate at very high levels in the bloodstream of their host. Transfer by mouthpart contamination requires sufficient infectious particles to initiate a new infection. The exact number of infectious particles varies from one disease to the next. HIV circulates at very low levels in the blood--well below the levels of any of the known mosquito-borne diseases. Infected individuals rarely circulate more that 10 units of HIV, and 70 to 80% of HIV-infected persons have undetectable levels of virus particles in their blood. Calculations with mosquitoes and HIV show that a mosquito that is interrupted while feeding on an HIV carrier circulating 1000 units of HIV has a 1:10 million probability of injecting a single unit of HIV to an AIDS-free recipient. In laymen's terms, an AIDS-free individual would have to be bitten by 10 million mosquitoes that had begun feeding on an AIDS carrier to receive a single unit of HIV from contaminated mosquito mouthparts. Using the same calculations, crushing a fully engorged mosquito containing AIDS positive blood would still not begin to approach the levels needed to initiate infection. In short, mechanical transmission of AIDS by HIV-contaminated mosquitoes appears to be well beyond the limits of probability. Therefore, none of the theoretical mechanisms cited earlier appear to be possible for mosquito transmission of HIV.

    Mosquitoes Are Not Flying Hypodermic Needles

    Many people think of mosquitoes as tiny, flying hypodermic syringes, and if hypodermic needles can successfully transmit HIV from one individual to another then mosquitoes ought to be able to do the same. We have already seen that HIV-infected individuals do not circulate enough virus particles to result in infection by contamination. However, even if HIV-positive individuals did circulate high levels of virus, mosquitoes could not transmit the virus by the methods that are employed in used syringes. Most people have heard that mosquitoes regurgitate saliva before they feed, but are unaware that the food canal and salivary canal are separate passageways in the mosquito. The mosquito's feeding apparatus is an extremely complicated structure that is totally unlike the crude single-bore syringe. Unlike a syringe, the mosquito delivers salivary fluid through one passage and draws blood up another. As a result, the food canal is not flushed out like a used needle, and blood flow is always unidirectional. The mechanics involved in mosquito feeding are totally unlike the mechanisms employed by the drug user's needles. In short, mosquitoes are not flying hypodermic needles and a mosquito that disgorges saliva into your body is not flushing out the remnants of its last blood meal.

    Why Mosquitoes Cannot Transmit AIDS FS736

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    yes, but its all incorrect information HB, and 'they' are hiding the information, a big conspiracy see!


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    ^^ & ^^^ Good posts, HB. But Mid posted something similar earlier in the thread & it was completely ignored. Let DD and DTW believe that the big bad mossies are the problem, not lifestyle. They're happy with their little conspiracy theory, who are you to introduce facts into their little world of supposition?

    Quote Originally Posted by November Rain
    You mention that & Norton mentions the Canadian mossies, so, if DTW's theory is to be believed, these areas should be rife with HIV cases, shouldn't they?
    * Note to self - Always use sarcasm smiley when being sarcastic*

    So, we're saying that mosquitoes in high risk areas are dangerous, not other mosquitoes? OK. Got that.
    Eeeerm, can mosquitoes travel? I've seen them on aeroplanes.
    And how did those people with HIV get it in the first place before the mossie sucked their blood to pass it on? Are we now saying it wasn't found in monkeys, it wasn't man-made, none of those other theories? It was all the mosquitoes! (Insert sarcasm smiley)

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