Thread: HIV Infection risks

Originally Posted by 'Ant

And who is "they"? How did they get every doctor and medical reseacher on earth in league with them and this code of silence?

Were going in circles here Ant.. I answered this concisely in my OP already. It stands to reason that if the 'Official' major health organizations originally involved being the CDC in the States and their counter part from Europe cohort-ed and made such a declaration to the medical community then the likelihood of further pursuit would be non-existent..

Given the delicate nature of this information you can assume there were numerous closed door meetings about the entire course of action to be taken from day one... And you can be sure that also included high ranking political figures as well..

Originally Posted by Driventowin

Given the delicate nature of this information you can assume there were numerous closed door meetings about the entire course of action to be taken from day one... And you can be sure that also included high ranking political figures as well..

That's a dependant assumption, a logical fallacy that assumes it must be true so because this might have occured as well. We're truly into the realms of conspiracy theory now.

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

More likely, as the transmission method by mosquito is not easily proven either way

How many important countries would that effect, not the UK as we don't have a mossie problem most of the year, got to admit never worried about mossies in the USA so don't think it is such a problem as here in Thailand, where is the investigations into HIV mainly being done? The important countries.

Well there are some pretty heavy mosquito populous regions of the States. South Florida has one of the world largest swamps as does Louisiana, up state New York, Alaska big time mossies and I wonder now that I think about it since Alaska is also less densely populated what their rates of HIV are there relatively speaking??

We do spray routinely for mossies with newer poisons in high mossie season but they aren't cheap because they are less harmful to humans and animals. But when I was a child the mossie truck with DDT spray used to come down our block about every couple of days and fog the entire street.. We also had fly overs by spray planes dropping the stuff and still do again in the high season for mossie's...

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Driventowin

Given the delicate nature of this information you can assume there were numerous closed door meetings about the entire course of action to be taken from day one... And you can be sure that also included high ranking political figures as well..

That's a dependant assumption, a logical fallacy that assumes it must be true so because this might have occured as well. We're truly into the realms of conspiracy theory now.

No...My answer is based on a premise Ant.. If this information was confirmed or still uncertain and they needed to know how to react publicly..

If everyone who had HIV were tested and treated properly, the incidence and spread of the disease could be mitigated or even eventually stopped. But instead let's spend another trillion on pointless wars

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

Finally DD is again right when pointing out that there doesn't seem to be much research into this alleged process of mosquitos killing the HIV virus, which, if true could yeild an insight into HIV cure. Give the Billions spent on AIDS research, it is unlikely that noone would think to investigate how a mosquito 'cures' HIV and try to apply such a cure to the human body. They have been doing this as a matter of course since Flaming's nose ran into the petri dish in the run-up to discovering Penicillin....

HOW?

Inject into everybodies blood stream mosquito digestive juices to the same concentration as the mosquito??

Originally Posted by Driventowin

JFYI I just happened to use figures from Africa there was no other race specific intent in that, you are the one that picked up on that and ran with it, it's really irrelevant..

JFYI I ran with that example is as likely as yours, hence the reason I said it!

sorry looks like I need a facetious smilie

Originally Posted by Driventowin

Wrong!!! This is just plain inaccurate the origination of HIV was supposedly from monkeys...

SIV.......?

Originally Posted by Driventowin

JFYI I just happened to use figures from Africa there was no other race specific intent in that, you are the one that picked up on that and ran with it, it's really irrelevant..

How can it be irrelevant ??? If people can be given a longer life taking the medication ?? People in the western world can affort to buy it, a lot of people in 3rd world countries cant...so just fok'em right....

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Driventowin

JFYI I just happened to use figures from Africa there was no other race specific intent in that, you are the one that picked up on that and ran with it, it's really irrelevant..

JFYI I ran with that example is as likely as yours, hence the reason I said it!

sorry looks like I need a facetious smilie

KW when I joined back into this debate I was 3 pages behind and it was still moving ahead like a raging fire. So yes it is very difficult to decipher every intended piece of cryptic humor when that happens so I apologize if I took some your witty responses for something more serious, and they went over my head..

^ why do you write JFYI so often?

Originally Posted by Driventowin

KW when I joined back into this debate I was 3 pages behind

Whaddya mean? that only the orginal few posters can join in this debate??

Originally Posted by Driventowin

So yes it is very difficult to decipher every intended piece of cryptic humor when that happens so I apologize if I took some your witty responses for something more serious,

It is serious, the humour is intended to highlight the deficiencies in your arguments.

Originally Posted by Texpat

why do you write JFYI so often?

It's easier than typing "Jesus fuck you, idiot!" all the time.

I don't necessarily share DD's level of concern for the poison issue. I do see a major financial loss and panic though over the possibilities..

In the States there have been much less serious (relatively speaking) infestations of various mossie transmittable diseases just about every year, St Louis Encephalitis and West Nile virus are the most recent that have sparked huge concern..
When these epidemics break out the well meaning officials cancel High school activities at night and no sports etc..And make public announcements about wearing long clothes and using mossie repellent etc.. It's far more dramatic than I can relay on here..

But bottom line these are curable diseases with only hundreds at the most being infected, though some people do die and on a very small scale.

If it were to be announced that mossies could in fact spread HIV/AIDS then imagine the financial collapse of the Premier league, Rugby Union, NFL, MLB, Disney parks, amusement parks the world over, Zoo's, stores would no longer stay open at night because people would not want to be outside after dark, including employees, etc. because those places would all be high risk for not only mossies but people around in large numbers where the disease could spread and people would just stay away out of fear and yes, I believe ignorance too, even with a low likelihood of infection....

And the point is that since it "has not been proven" the real amount of infection possible if any, is an unknown and therefore the prospects are much more frightening to the average Joe citizen..

Originally Posted by Driventowin

stores would no longer stay open at night because people would not want to be outside after dark,

erm, different types of mozzies, some bite at night, some bite during the day!

Originally Posted by Driventowin

If it were to be announced that mossies could in fact spread HIV/AIDS then imagine the financial collapse of the Premier league

Originally Posted by Dalton

Originally Posted by Driventowin

JFYI I just happened to use figures from Africa there was no other race specific intent in that, you are the one that picked up on that and ran with it, it's really irrelevant..

How can it be irrelevant ??? If people can be given a longer life taking the medication ?? People in the western world can affort to buy it, a lot of people in 3rd world countries cant...so just fok'em right....

Huh??? I'm not quite sure how you interpreted my post as disputing your post Dalton.. My reply is to KW's suggestion that I was making this a race issue by my use of African stats.. You clipped only a small quote there but didn't read the entire post apparently where I referenced South America too etc...

Originally Posted by Texpat

^ why do you write JFYI so often?

I think maybe I've used it twice in this entire thread..And seldom over the entire board... A bit distractionary don't you think?

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by Texpat

why do you write JFYI so often?

It's easier than typing "Jesus fuck you, idiot!" all the time.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Driventowin

stores would no longer stay open at night because people would not want to be outside after dark,

erm, different types of mozzies, some bite at night, some bite during the day!

Originally Posted by Driventowin

If it were to be announced that mossies could in fact spread HIV/AIDS then imagine the financial collapse of the Premier league

They're fecking examples KW..Ever heard of a scenerio before?? I know some mossies bite at different times how does that soften the problem? It doesn't it exacerbates it...

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

I think the conspiracy against insect repellant is off the mark

Exactly. It's too huge a leap in logic for me. If you consider malaria, a disease that kills millions annually and particularly children, there's not indiscriminate use of pesticides to control that.

Worldwide deaths from HIV/AIDs related illnesses are at roughly the same levels as malaria however the important difference is that malaria deaths are more concentrated (i.e. predominantly 3rd World nations).

So even assuming both were transmitted by mosquito's this doesn't tally with the idea that toxic/poisonous chemicals usage would suddenly spike in 3rd World countries and become a severe health issue in it own right.