Thread: President Trump - 2nd Term

Originally Posted by bsnub

The US economy is already contracting.

Not enough for them to try a $4.2Trn tax cut evidently.

Let the trade war begin...

"Should American tariffs come into effect tonight, Canada will, effective 12:01 a.m. EST tomorrow, respond with 25 per cent tariffs against $155 billion of American goods – starting with tariffs on $30 billion worth of goods immediately, and tariffs on the remaining $125 billion on American products in 21 days’ time. Our tariffs will remain in place until the U.S. trade action is withdrawn, and should U.S. tariffs not cease, we are in active and ongoing discussions with provinces and territories to pursue several non-tariff measures. While we urge the U.S. administration to reconsider their tariffs, Canada remains firm in standing up for our economy, our jobs, our workers, and for a fair deal.
“Because of the tariffs imposed by the U.S., Americans will pay more for groceries, gas, and cars, and potentially lose thousands of jobs. Tariffs will disrupt an incredibly successful trading relationship. They will violate the very trade agreement that was negotiated by President Trump in his last term.”

Originally Posted by Norton

Europe has essentially told Frump to fuck off and now taken over peace negotiations.

Hmm not sure about that.

You have France with Micron, I think he sees this as his opportunity to reinvigorate his ratings. He also has pushed dor an EU army and to rearm but with France front and center on this so really its more self interest personally and fir his country before helping Ukr.

Germany which holds the EU purse strings has been fairly quiet and with change in Govt and a loose alliance of centre left parties I'm not sure they have the mandate or desire for head on conflict with either the US or taking an active role in Ukr.

The UK is trying to form up a coalition to find a plan to put to the US but there is already a tension with France who see themselves as the lead country in the EU and Micron has already gone off script.

The US is not taking the EU/UK pact seriously. Why because they know the EU/UK pact doesn't have the arms or sufficient willpower to take an active role and behind it all is the Orange Child who wants 2 things. A shot at the Nobel Peace Prize and wringing as much out of Ukr as he can get.

We are a long way off the EU/UK being able to take the lead role on this and I fear the US will tighten the screws and force Ukr into a deal whilst Russia jump on the current weakness of the allies

I think you've summed up the situation well malmo

Re Turikyieyie, you are correct, inclusion on their part is an obvious play to strengthen their hand in EU membership.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

The US is not taking the EU/UK pact seriously. Why because they know the EU/UK pact doesn't have the arms or sufficient willpower to take an active role and behind it all is the Orange Child who wants 2 things. A shot at the Nobel Peace Prize and wringing as much out of Ukr as he can get.

We must be reading and listening to the same sources. I agree with what you are saying 100%. He wants to humiliate Obama. It is all about him and he does not care if the entire world burns down around him.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

We are a long way off the EU/UK being able to take the lead role on this and I fear the US will tighten the screws and force Ukr into a deal whilst Russia jump on the current weakness of the allies

This is 100% what is happening. The new axis of evil is NK, ruzzia, CCP and the US. FFS.

If you sat and planned how to break America in short order, you would not be far off what Trump has done to date. The impact of his actions will linger for many, many years after he is gone.

Western Australian premier Roger Cook apologises after calling US vice-president JD Vance a ‘knob’ | Western Australia election 2025 | The Guardian

So how many of the orange turd's cabal do you reckon shorted stocks yesterday then?

Originally Posted by hallelujah

Western Australian premier Roger Cook apologises after calling US vice-president JD Vance a ‘knob’ | Western Australia election 2025 | The Guardian

We're all pretty normal here in WA.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So how many of the orange turd's cabal do you reckon shorted stocks yesterday then?

All+plus their brokers,friends,families and mia nois.

When you realize its just sleaze like the gangs that run many 3rd world places, As many women discovered Trump is a sleazeball and tragically while sacking health and safety specialists has appointed amateurs to the CIA and Defence.

Originally Posted by Norton

Then, and only then will Europe be able to stare down Putin.

Indeed of course Putin may not wait that long and once swallowed Odessa may try for Moldova of which he controls Trnsdniestra part already.

The young gifted and mobile left in Europe will be eyeing Oz, Canada and NZ as a better place ro raise a family. At many pay grade it's Zubia, Bolivia or the last resort thret LOS Pajama game.A pal of mine is heading to Bangers to have canine conversion as I woof.

Russia's military is fucked and has been shown to be a paper tiger. They are deploying t55's for fuck sake. Their economy is fucked, over 30% of their economy is being spent on the Ukraine war. Never mind Europe, just the addition of the Poles would have the Russians driven back to Moscow.

And that fucker Trump throws them a life line. He is an object traitor and history will judge him so.

Quite a good summary of the fallout from the Friday showdown from Konstantin Kisin



I don't think I would disagree with anything that he says here except to add that maybe that the press conference could have been shorter and the deal would then have been signed and the US would then have skin in the game in terms of resources investment and an end to the war would almost certainly have been in sight.

A wiser Zelenskyy would have kept schtum and just got the deal done.

Yeah. Because selling out your country, your people and their resources for nothing is always a good move. Twat.

Everyone, except Trump knows that any Russian "agreement" is worth squat. Basically, all zelinsky was saying was "if you want to fuck me, at least use a condom".

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“ The rationale for the argument, he (Zelensky) instigated with JD Vance….”

No need to watch any more, after that bullshit comment.

Originally Posted by beachbound

The rationale for the argument, he (Zelensky) instigated with JD Vance

I would say it was pretty much 50/50 who 'started it'

But this was not a meeting of allies on an equal footing. Zelensky was meeting with a new administration who have made their more limited sympathies with further financing of the war abundantly clear and he is seeking significant further US military commitment from them. His goal in the short term should have been to get through the press conference without drama and get the deal signed. I did not like Vance poking him but Vance's views on the war were clear beforehand so Z should have rolled with the punch (or more gentle jab)

Originally Posted by beachbound

A translator might have helped him get his point across, and may have defused the situation.

There was somebody right behind him on his right shoulder that he briefly talked to once. I assumed he was a translator but he might not have been.

Zalensky being highly charged and passionate about his country is the reason why Ukraine is still able to resist Russia, albeit with the help of US and European weapons and intelligence.

He took the bait, as anyone would with such passion.

Either JD Vance is too inexperienced to understand this, or it was deliberate provocation on his part.

...and now Zalensky has had to resign himself to the deal anyway because the USA has removed its support. Might as well have Al Capone heading the USA...

Originally Posted by david44

UK while willing and talking the talk could only likley supply 10k infantry plus ltd Intel, France about same , larger states like Germany won't pay the price of conscription now.

The only possible savior bar inviting Chinese peacekeepers is if some of it's 1/3 million Turkish army can be convinced and wiley Erdogan may demand not just customs union but full membership of the EU , whereby most of 45million rural Turks will buy a one way ticket to Germany .

Peacekeepers will only be present if the UN mandates it and as Russia has a veto at the UN, it's highly unlikely the UK, France, or any NATO country, will be allowed to be part of that force. There are other countries that often supply soldiers to undertake peacekeeping for the UN; India, Bangladesh and Nepal, for example. Peacekeepers from neutral countries are more likely to be acceptable to both sides.

Originally Posted by Loopy

I would say it was pretty much 50/50 who 'started it'

Shocking.
Zelensky did himself no favors, but the attack by Dumb and Dumber was preplanned, and scripted. The minute that Zelinski expressed an opinion, and it was apparent he wasn’t going to bow, and kiss the ring, they pounced. And the audacity to belittle the man about his attire, shows just how petty, and vindictive these fuckers are.

Originally Posted by Loopy

vance’s view on the war were clear

You mean, that he doesn’t give a fuck what happens to Ukraine? Yeah, they were crystal clear.

Is anyone watching this embarrassing tirade?

"The days of rule by unelected bureaucrats are over"?

Musk must have been pissing himself at that one.